Gough Whitlam: Messiah or Very Naughty Boy?

[medusala]

Interesting...

Hardly. Usual bluster from the magic pudding believing Gillard adviser (and big spending was hardly a problem under her was it?)

Whitlam increased spending in one budget by over 40%. If he wasn't sacked it would have rocketed past that level

 

[Hairy Lager]

Why? You need hard working people like me to get taxed to the shithouse to provide for all the leeches in society.

If all the hard workers that pay their own way in life left you'd all starve to death.

Don't feed the Troll, he is full after his massive feast.

 

[Riseupaustralia]

But I don't in so, so many ways.

You so badarse brah.

 

[Dry Rot]

I salute the Whitlam govt for two things no govt has had before or since:

Junie Morosi

Safari suits

 

[pazza]

Why? You need hard working people like me to get taxed to the shithouse to provide for all the leeches in society.

If all the hard workers that pay their own way in life left you'd all starve to death.

The reality is the hardest working people in the world and not just here are in the poorer demographics as a rule.

The rich just sit around waiting for golf games to start and hiding their fortunes in tax havens. There aren't in fact too many rich hard working people in the world, let alone here.

 

[Gus Poyet]

And you have shown yourself to be lacking in both compassion and lacking in a basic understanding of how economies work. With full employment impossible to achieve, what do you suggest should become of those who cannot find work? What do you propose we should do with underprivileged children who cannot afford a decent education? What do you suggest should happen to those who are too sick to work and cannot afford adequate healthcare?

Except im not saying abandon the poorest of the poor. However the poorest of the poor should not be breeding when they can't give a child a decent life. This is part of the problem.

We need to reduce the levels of free loaders. Those who genuinely need help should be very small in numbers if people are taking responsibility for their own actions.

You think I'm talking about the poorest when I say free loaders. When in fact i'm talking about those people I see dropping their kids off in their 40K 4WD's to school. Those parasites are the true free loaders.

They could afford private education but they would rather tax payers fund their kids education so they can go on holidays to bali and have all the latest and best of everything.

They can afford private health too. But they are leeches so instead they will once again use the tax payer funded services.

So you see i'm not agaisnt truly poor people getting a hand up.I'm agaisnt the massive amount of freeloaders who could reduce the amount governments need to spend to fund their parasitics ways.

I pay my taxes happily knowing that at least some goes to help those less fortunate. Tell me who is worse, the so called "freeloaders" or the capitalist pricks who spend more time finding ways to avoid paying their appropriate taxes than actually contributing?

The freeloaders are.

Why the hell should someone pay way too much tax to in any way fund the freeloaders and all the stupid wasteful programs Governments piss tax payers money up against the wall with.

 

[Dry Rot]

A fair minded person would laud the social and cultural changes that the Whitlam govt brought in.

But they would also recognise what a shambles that govt became, especially re economics and in their last year.

Yes, the 1973 Oil Shock hit them for six and the Libs were being real campaigners in the Senate. But crap like the out of control spending, Jim Cairns and the Khemlani Affair were all part of that reforming govt too.

 

[Gus Poyet]

The reality is the hardest working people in the world and not just here are in the poorer demographics as a rule.

The rich just sit around waiting for golf games to start and hiding their fortunes in tax havens. There aren't in fact too many rich hard working people in the world, let alone here.

Such a gross generalisation.

I know quiet a few well off families and they all started with very little and it was only through hard work and a lot of risks that they earnt what they have now.

Rich does not mean you have to be a multi-millionaire. The obsession with billionaires by the swarming jealous masses is a total waste of time and effort. Who cares what those tossers are doing.

The fact there are plenty of examples of people who came from nothing to end up in comfortable positions in life shows hard work can improve your position in life.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Except im not saying abandon the poorest of the poor. However the poorest of the poor should not be breeding when they can't give a child a decent life. This is part of the problem.

We need to reduce the levels of free loaders. Those who genuinely need help should be very small in numbers if people are taking responsibility for their own actions.

You think I'm talking about the poorest when I say free loaders. When in fact i'm talking about those people I see dropping their kids off in their 40K 4WD's to school. Those parasites are the true free loaders.

They could afford private education but they would rather tax payers fund their kids education so they can go on holidays to bali and have all the latest and best of everything.

They can afford private health too. But they are leeches so instead they will once again use the tax payer funded services.

So you see i'm not agaisnt truly poor people getting a hand up.I'm agaisnt the massive amount of freeloaders who could reduce the amount governments need to spend to fund their parasitics ways.






The freeloaders are.

Why the hell should someone pay way too much tax to in any way fund the freeloaders and all the stupid wasteful programs Governments piss tax payers money up against the wall with.

A bigger load of drivel I have not read on this site (and that is saying something).

 

[Hairy Lager]

Except im not saying abandon the poorest of the poor. However the poorest of the poor should not be breeding when they can't give a child a decent life. This is part of the problem.

We need to reduce the levels of free loaders. Those who genuinely need help should be very small in numbers if people are taking responsibility for their own actions.

You think I'm talking about the poorest when I say free loaders. When in fact i'm talking about those people I see dropping their kids off in their 40K 4WD's to school. Those parasites are the true free loaders.

They could afford private education but they would rather tax payers fund their kids education so they can go on holidays to bali and have all the latest and best of everything.

They can afford private health too. But they are leeches so instead they will once again use the tax payer funded services.

So you see i'm not agaisnt truly poor people getting a hand up.I'm agaisnt the massive amount of freeloaders who could reduce the amount governments need to spend to fund their parasitics ways.






The freeloaders are.

Why the hell should someone pay way too much tax to in any way fund the freeloaders and all the stupid wasteful programs Governments piss tax payers money up against the wall with.

I agree with a lot of this post, go on.

 

[RUNVS]

Such a gross generalisation.

I know quiet a few well off families and they all started with very little and it was only through hard work and a lot of risks that they earnt what they have now.

Rich does not mean you have to be a multi-millionaire. The obsession with billionaires by the swarming jealous masses is a total waste of time and effort. Who cares what those tossers are doing.

The fact there are plenty of examples of people who came from nothing to end up in comfortable positions in life shows hard work can improve your position in life.

and were these not well off families able to get a good education or did they all drop out of high school in year 8 as their parents could not afford the fees and then work their way up in the salt mines before they got promoted and now they are the boss of the company?

 

[Hairy Lager]

A bigger load of drivel I have not read on this site (and that is saying something).

Go ahead say something? Add to the discussion it has become very interesting indeed.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Such a gross generalisation.

I know quiet a few well off families and they all started with very little and it was only through hard work and a lot of risks that they earnt what they have now.

Rich does not mean you have to be a multi-millionaire. The obsession with billionaires by the swarming jealous masses is a total waste of time and effort. Who cares what those tossers are doing.

The fact there are plenty of examples of people who came from nothing to end up in comfortable positions in life shows hard work can improve your position in life.

You are trying to have a bit each way now. I am guessing that most of these people that started with nothing at some point took advantage of public education and Medicare? Clearly if they started with as little as you say they wouldn't have been able to afford expensive private schooling and comprehensive medical insurance.

The position that you continue to hold is that nobody should be entitled to a subsidised education or socialised healthcare. And if that is the case then these now well off families shouldn't have been afforded any help when they were struggling.

Congratulations on the hypocrisy that you show that goes very well with your lack of compassion and fundamental ignorance of how economies work. An issue that you have not addressed it has been noted.

 

[Gus Poyet]

and were these not well off families able to get a good education or did they all drop out of high school in year 8 as their parents could not afford the fees and then work their way up in the salt mines before they got promoted and now they are the boss of the company?

They were immigrants off boats/planes who couldnt speak a lick of English but knew how to work their arses off. They worked their arses off starting with nothing and ensured their kids did go to good private schools to get an education.

Strange how they could make a go of it despite all the barriers they faced.

Some people just love to make up excuses for why others fail in life.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Go ahead say something? Add to the discussion it has become very interesting indeed.

Perhaps if you read the whole thread first.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

They were immigrants off boats/planes who couldnt speak a lick of English but knew how to work their arses off. They worked their arses off starting with nothing and ensured their kids did go to good private schools to get an education.

Strange how they could make a go of it despite all the barriers they faced.

Some people just love to make up excuses for why others fail in life.

And tell me, what was Gough Whitlam's position on immigration and multiculturalism?

You are really starting to look like a goose now.

 

[RUNVS]

They were immigrants off boats/planes who couldnt speak a lick of English but knew how to work their arses off. They worked their arses off starting with nothing and ensured their kids did go to good private schools to get an education.

Strange how they could make a go of it despite all the barriers they faced.

Some people just love to make up excuses for why others fail in life.

and some people like yourself can't accept that a government is supposed to be there for all people, not just yourself.

 

[Hairy Lager]

Perhaps if you read the whole thread first.

I have it makes good reading carry on. Informative posting by all parties carry on, not a troll

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

and some people like yourself can't accept that a government is supposed to be there for all people, not just yourself.

The lack of a social conscience in people that live in an affluent society is truly disgusting.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

I have it makes good reading carry on. Informative posting by all parties carry on, not a troll

Good enough mate. My bad.

 

[carnthemlions]

I think we can all conclude that we're ****ed if real libertarians(as opposed to conservatives who pay lip service to them) get any power around here.
It's all very juvenile. Politics for selfish people who aren't smart enough to understand that there's more to the world than just them, and that things might be a lot more complicated than they realise. A terrible person like Ayn Rand really is the messiah they deserve(a fraud, of course).

Hardly. Usual bluster from the magic pudding believing Gillard adviser (and big spending was hardly a problem under her was it?)

Whitlam increased spending in one budget by over 40%. If he wasn't sacked it would have rocketed past that level

It was a poor attempt to argue with a crazy libertarian.

 

[medusala]

A fair minded person would laud the social and cultural changes that the Whitlam govt brought in.

Not all. Australia moved away from notions of self reliance to the beginnings of life owes me a living under Gough. It was hardly just his fault or the only one at it but the social changes of the 70s hardly made for a better society in many respects (the cataclysmic decline in educational standards being one example of many)

Some of the things attributed to him are a bit misjudged as well. ie the Libs had already effectively dismantled the ALP WAP policy - and who can forget Goughs quote re Vietnamese refugees. IIRC fed funding of Catholic schools existed prior to him as well.

Hard to appreciate Blue Poles when you have lost your job or life savings via inflation. Why so many gloss over that I don't know.

A good but misguided man. Probably about as good as you could say of any politician.

I think we can all conclude that we're ****** if real libertarians(as opposed to conservatives who pay lip service to them) get any power around here.

Freedom is selfish. There you have it. Long live Conroy and the net filter.

 

[Gus Poyet]

You are trying to have a bit each way now. I am guessing that most of these people that started with nothing at some point took advantage of public education and Medicare? Clearly if they started with as little as you say they wouldn't have been able to afford expensive private schooling and comprehensive medical insurance.

Nope. Sent their kids to private schools. Some worked 60-80 hours a week to do it. Nothing but admiration for them. They made sacrifices aplenty along the way but they never asked for handouts. Plenty of examples of Italian immigrants doing exactly the same thing. That's why we have so many of those delightful concrete mansion about the place still.

The position that you continue to hold is that nobody should be entitled to a subsidised education or socialised healthcare. And if that is the case then these now well off families shouldn't have been afforded any help when they were struggling.

Nope. Pretty sure I said the poorest of the poor should receive some assitance. Not the huge amounts of middle class leeches that take advantage of it today.

Congratulations on the hypocrisy that you show that goes very well with your lack of compassion and fundamental ignorance of how economies work. An issue that you have not addressed it has been noted.

I understand how it all works. Thanks to people like Gough we're completely ****ed forever

There is no way out of this s**t we're in now and with enablers like you about the welfare/handout mentality that the Government needs to look after everyone and fix all our problems with flourish for generations to come. Oh what joy!

 

[Showbags]

So if some idiots decide to breed its then societies duty to pick up the bill.

Sorry, I'm sick of that crap. If people decide to have kids let them pay for them, not other people. Supporting that kind of system is nothing more than being enablers to a bunch of parasites.

Its not just about "poor people not having kids". Its about children from lower socioeconomic backgrounds getting the same access to a quality education as children from wealthy families. Why is it fair on poorer kids to not give them the same chance at fulfilling their potential as rich kids? How is it beneficial for society for us to lose potentially great minds that could help shape our society for the better just because they couldn't get access to the same level of education as Richie Rich could.

While I agree hard work and innovation should be encouraged through lower taxation and incentives it is the rent seeking parasites and monopolistic corporations at the top that are the real burden to society not the people at the bottom. The rent seekers are the ones that we should be targeting with higher taxation rather than the innovators and creators. The only thing rent seekers do to "help" society is to own a lot of s**t and charge poorer people for the use of it.

 

[Gus Poyet]

I think we can all conclude that we're ****** if real libertarians(as opposed to conservatives who pay lip service to them) get any power around here.
It's all very juvenile. Politics for selfish people who aren't smart enough to understand that there's more to the world than just them, and that things might be a lot more complicated than they realise. A terrible person like Ayn Rand really is the messiah they deserve(a fraud, of course).

It was a poor attempt to argue with a crazy libertarian.

Sounds like you don't know what a Libertarian wants at all.

We dont want power. We want it given back to the individual. We want them to have more of their own money.

And yet you call that selfish. Awesome logic from the drone collective.