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Menadue is in a group with Cockatoo and Garlett. All initially tipped 25-40 but their explosive pace and X factor has all 3 starting to bolt.

All have some risk attached which is why they are not generally considered top 10-15 picks.

Is our strategy pace and outside run - if so either of these 3 fit the bill and also fit with us being comfortable with the 10-14 slide.

Here's a stat - in that TAC elim final, Menadue had 18 handball receives!!!

All three have pace and x-factor but all three are very different players.

Garlett is probably the safest bet of them all as a (in my opinion) relatively low risk proposition. He has speed and footballing ability but he's more Danyle Pearce than Lewis Jetta. I'd probably prefer Pearce as a player to Jetta (though not for our side) so it's not to run him down - but he's less dynamic in his running than the others. Menadue just loves to break lines. He'll dodge, weave and evade and he's quick enough to justify it. He really is a 'run 40, kick 40' kind of player - and has the skills to make use of it. Also has some real height and with that and his rake like frame the potential if he develops some bulk is very apparent. Cockatoo has power that others don't. He's quick over distance but also explosive. Not just that though - he's got a very big frame (so could conceivably end up a very big lad) and is naturally strong - in a similar way to Dangerfield just having natural *power.* He's by no means an inside mid but with that power and skill at ground level as well as his size and disposal I'd be looking to develop him as a balanced midfielder - perhaps leaning inside. He doesn't yet have the natural tendency to run dashes down the wing like a Menadue instead prefering to create space and dispose.

Garlett's the safest bet to make the grade out of the three. But I personally think with the early picks you're looking at ceiling and potential and building the core of the squad - with the later picks aimed at the support crew. As such I favour upside with early picks more than later ones and I believe clubs do as well. I wouldn't be moving down to 14 for Garlett. I could conceivably see Menadue or Cockatoo as someone you would do that for though. Then again I think Cockatoo could well be off the board by our selection anyway.
 
All three have pace and x-factor but all three are very different players.

Garlett is probably the safest bet of them all as a (in my opinion) relatively low risk proposition. He has speed and footballing ability but he's more Danyle Pearce than Lewis Jetta. I'd probably prefer Pearce as a player to Jetta (though not for our side) so it's not to run him down - but he's less dynamic in his running than the others. Menadue just loves to break lines. He'll dodge, weave and evade and he's quick enough to justify it. He really is a 'run 40, kick 40' kind of player - and has the skills to make use of it. Also has some real height and with that and his rake like frame the potential if he develops some bulk is very apparent. Cockatoo has power that others don't. He's quick over distance but also explosive. Not just that though - he's got a very big frame (so could conceivably end up a very big lad) and is naturally strong - in a similar way to Dangerfield just having natural *power.* He's by no means an inside mid but with that power and skill at ground level as well as his size and disposal I'd be looking to develop him as a balanced midfielder - perhaps leaning inside. He doesn't yet have the natural tendency to run dashes down the wing like a Menadue instead prefering to create space and dispose.

Garlett's the safest bet to make the grade out of the three. But I personally think with the early picks you're looking at ceiling and potential and building the core of the squad - with the later picks aimed at the support crew. As such I favour upside with early picks more than later ones and I believe clubs do as well. I wouldn't be moving down to 14 for Garlett. I could conceivably see Menadue or Cockatoo as someone you would do that for though. Then again I think Cockatoo could well be off the board by our selection anyway.
Thanks skippos.

Could going for Menadue or cockatoo explain our willingness to trade 10-14. Or do you think it's more likely we are thinking KPD and that there is not much to split a few of them - hence sliding to 14 won't stop us grabbing one.

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Menadue's kicking looks rock solid too. I like the way he seems to take extra care to straighten up his ball drop just before he kicks.
 
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If the club is confident Menadue can maintain that speed and evasiveness once he puts on some weight then I would be VERY keen on him going from Knightmare's phantom draft and his highlights. Being an outside type, he doesn't even need to go too overboard in bulking. He'll probably do fine with a wiry, Polec-type frame.
 
If the club is confident Menadue can maintain that speed and evasiveness once he puts on some weight then I would be VERY keen on him going from Knightmare's phantom draft and his highlights. Being an outside type, he doesn't even need to go too overboard in bulking. He'll probably do fine with a wiry, Polec-type frame.
I think that's pretty right - certainly a natural born receiver - 18 handball receives in that TAC final is an extraordinary stat
 
Reminds me of an Isaac Smith... sounds about right, given he was taken as a 19(?)yo.
Very much so! Only he is right footed. I would think he will feature on our list somewhere, its just a matter of how highly he rates and whether he is available at our pick. I imagine we would be hoping he slips to our second pick, but can't see that happening.
 
If the club is confident Menadue can maintain that speed and evasiveness once he puts on some weight then I would be VERY keen on him going from Knightmare's phantom draft and his highlights. Being an outside type, he doesn't even need to go too overboard in bulking. He'll probably do fine with a wiry, Polec-type frame.
Where are his highlights?
 

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Yeah, fair to say I do like the look of Menaude. With the right development team, we could turn him into exactly the type of player we need - a line-breaking utility. Sounds a bit inconsistent, and has a fair bit of development, but he could be worth it.

14. Connor Menadue (VIC – Mid/Def) Height: 188cm, Weight: 69kg, DOB: 19/09/1996
Recruited from: Western Jets
Range: 10-35
Best position/role: Midfield – on the ball.
Strengths: Explosive sidestep – Menadue probably has a more explosive sidestep than anyone else presently in the game. He has some evasiveness and avoids tacklers to a high level but it is less in that Pendlebury evasive style where he looks like he has more time and space than anyone else but more an explosive, leave you in my wake variation on that. It starts with his explosive first step that he uses to get around guys and avoid tackles, moving explosively sideways to create separation and exploding past you. It is his major point of difference and is something he can use frequently in game whether it is in general play or after a mark.
Acceleration – In addition to the explosive sidestep Menadue has elite acceleration. He has that explosive first step, gets up to top speed quickly and has a top speed few others possess. He can go on long, full exertion runs with ball in hand and break away from the contest or break the lines on the outside to a high level, typically with runs of 20m-40m until he is either in range to finish for a goal or hit a target inside 50 lace out.
Skillset – Menadue from a skillset standpoint has it all. He is a precision kick and hits his targets over a variety of distances. He is an excellent kick under pressure and when tackled has shown that he can even in these situations find long targets lace out. He has the vision to find the best targets and the most damaging long targets. He consistently makes the best decisions by foot, looking for open targets rather than going long down the line to a contest. He is also an excellent finisher when within range from goal in general play whether on the run or from a stationary position. His work by hand is also excellent and he also by hand has the vision to find targets over a variety of distances and has the vision to find the most damaging outside runners.
Gamechanging ability – Menadue is a real highlight reel player and on his day has the talent to change games with his influence with his mix of traits with his sidestep, acceleration and his footskills and he showed in his only final v Dandanong that he can put forward a game whereby he can really exert his influence on numerous plays across the four quarters. It is also possible given his performance in his one final that he is a big game specialist but a larger sample size of big games would be required to determine this. He also has during the season for Western Jets had his moments where he has lifted in critical moments, exerting his influence which I have also been encouraged by.
Goalkicking – Menadue is a genuine goalkicking midfielder and has managed multiple goals in a number of his games through the midfield this year with his finishing ability from general play excellent. Many of those goals come thanks to his explosive ability to burst through the midfield to around the 50m mark and then kick the 45-55m long goal and it is something I expect to see a lot of at AFL level. He can also when in the forward 50 sidestep guys to create space for the easy finish which is another of his ways from general play to hit the scoreboard.
Versatility – Menadue has shown that he can not only play through the midfield but also be utilised off a back flank as a rebounder with his explosive pace and footskills real weapons if you can get the ball into his hands on a back flank, so he is someone who while best utilised through the midfield can as required get thrown behind the ball.
Upside – Menadue given his mix of dominant traits with his pace, explosive sidestep and footskills gives off the sense that he has tremendous scope to develop. He had that breakout final performance and given he has a light body it can reasonably be assumed that he has significant footballing and physical growth remaining that could further help him elevate his game.
Weaknesses: Light body – Still only 69kg and will need to put substantial weight onto his frame before he is ready to play at AFL level. As such a light body it also brings into question once he puts on the weight whether he will retain that explosiveness, with that an unknown until we see it.
Contested ball winning ability – Still a work in progress and not something he does enough when played through the midfield as more of a receiver at this stage but the hope would be that as he puts more size onto his frame and that the contested side to his game will improve. What he can do well is read the ruck taps to get first possession and then use his explosiveness to burst forward which is one positive sign that he can develop his inside game.
Ability to take easy marks around the ground – While Menadue is capable overhead and capable even of taking some strong contested marks at times he lacks on the outside the ability to be a linkup target in forward chains at this stage as someone who outside the contest does not find much of the ball all that easily and really needs to be fed the ball by hand to get his hands on it much of the time rather than being in position to take those easy marks outside the contest. Understanding this Menadue will need to improve his running patterns in general play and start to work more into space so that he can find more of the ball.
Relatively lean and inconsistent production – Menadue at this stage while a high impact player when he has the ball, does not accumulate big numbers every game. He can at this stage have his quiet games and more quiet games than you would ideally like. He can also get tagged out of games and with it struggle to find the footy. What I expect will improve:I expect Menadue to continue doing what he does but also put weight onto his frame, to find more of the footy more often and to improve his inside game as he has played much of the past couple of seasons in the back half and will with more time on the ball improve his inside game.
Who he can become? I see Menadue as being a slightly less productive Jonathan O’Rourke as a similar tallish but lightly built dynamic midfielder with that same explosive pace and excellent footskills.
When will he be ready to play? I see Menadue taking some time and likely looking to establish himself as a regular in season three once he has put some size onto his frame and improved his inside game.
How to best utilise him? Menadue is more an outside type at this point but once he puts some size onto his frame I expect will be best utilised on the ball through the midfield as someone you want around the ball and consistently impacting games.
Interpretation of his numbers: Menadue’s numbers both through the U18 Championships and at TAC Cup level have lacked some consistency and have been only moderate. He has over the second half of the season shown strong signs through the midfield and has hit the scoreboard with frequency which is something he did not do last year or in the first few games this season. His disposal efficiency is excellent both at TAC Cup level and particularly through the U18 Championships with his role primarily in the back half helping with that efficiency through the U18 Championships. His tackle numbers are also very good by position and are helped by his speed and agility. He finds a large proportion of his ball through handball receives and will need to start winning more of his own ball and taking more marks around the ground to take that next step towards becoming a high production player.
 
The drug cheats have cut hardingham. I think he would be worth a punt. He's played 65 games and would add some depth to our defence. What do others think?
 
The drug cheats have cut hardingham. I think he would be worth a punt. He's played 65 games and would add some depth to our defence. What do others think?
He's one of the better DFA's but we don't have the list space.

I wouldn't want him above using our first 4 picks and upgrading Cameron, so someone else would need to be offloaded under contract.

Can a DFA go straight onto the rookie list?
 
He's one of the better DFA's but we don't have the list space.

I wouldn't want him above using our first 4 picks and upgrading Cameron, so someone else would need to be offloaded under contract.

Can a DFA go straight onto the rookie list?

I believe if we take him during the Free Agent period he has to be on the senior list.... if we could get him through rookie draft we could upgrade in place of Otten who will be on the longterm injury list next year anyway...

Is Dylan Hodge (Hawthorn Captain Luke's brother) worth a punt with a late pick... i know he didnt test at the combine, but is highly rated at the Falcons (and if he has half the talent of Luke he would be a handy footballer)
 
Just out of interest, what were the write ups like for Gary Rohan before he was drafted? I'm thinking especially in terms of his disposal? I know that Menadue supposedly has very good disposal, but I wouldn't want him turning out like Rohan in the big leagues where he seems to burn the ball at high speed. Would be interesting to see whether Rohan was seen to have good or poor disposal as a draft prospect.
 
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2014 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE STANDOUT RESULTS

3km time trial (minutes : seconds)
Jack Hiscox 9:18
Tom Lamb 9:45
Alex Neal-Bullen 9:54
Billy Stretch 9:57
Nathan Drummond 9:59
Josh Deluca-Cardillo 10:07
Daniel McKenzie 10:07
Connor Menadue 10:07
Liam Duggan 10:11
Jack Steele 10:11

Hiscox breaks all-time endurance record

Beep test/shuttle run (level)
Caleb Daniel 16.1
Jack Hiscox 16.1
Nathan Drummond 15.9
Tom Lamb 15.5
Ed Langdon 15.3
Jarrod Garlett 15.2
Alex Neal-Bullen 15.2
Jason Castagna 15.2
Billy Stretch 15.1
Jack Steele 15.1
Jordan Cunico 14.12
Christian Petracca 14.12

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Kicking test (score out of 30)
Nakia Cockatoo 29
Daniel Howe 28
Kyle Langford 28
Toby McLean 27
Michael Mattingly 27
Nathan Drummond 27
Dean Gore 27
Brett Eddy 27
Clem Smith 26
Liam Duggan 26
Brayden Maynard 26
Jack Steele 26
Ed Vickers-Willis 26
Mitch McGovern 26

How do the combine tests work and who are the record-holders?

Clean hands test (score out of 30)
Nathan Drummond 26
Paddy Brophy 26
Reece McKenzie 26
Tyler Keitel 26
Dougal Howard 26
Michael Mattingly 25
Brett Eddy 25
Caleb Daniel 25
Jake Johansen 25
Jarrod Garlett 25
Brydan Hodgson 25
Marc Pittonet 25
Liam Dawson 25
Jack Cripps 25

Goalkicking test (score out of 30)
Dean Gore 30
Keenan Ramsey 30
Nathan Drummond 25
Paddy Brophy 25
Michael Mattingly 25
Liam Dawson 25
Cory Gregson 25
Aidan Anderson 25
Dougal Howard 24
Jarrod Garlett 24
Jack Cripps 24
Bailey Dale 24
Declan Hamilton 24

20 metre sprint results (sec)
Marvin Baynham 2.81
Oleg Markov 2.87
Jarrod Pickett 2.87
Reece McKenzie 2.87
Connor Menadue 2.88
Nakia Cockatoo 2.90
Ed Langdon 2.92
Paddy Brophy 2.93
Conor McKenna 2.93
Nathan Drummond 2.93

Agility results (sec)
Clem Smith 8.09
Daniel McKenzie 8.10
Conor McKenna 8.12
Jarrod Pickett 8.13
Teia Miles 8.27
Lukas Webb 8.28
Josh McGuinness 8.33
Billy Stretch 8.33
Kyle Langford 8.36
Jack Lonie 8.37

Repeat sprint results (sec)
Nakia Cockatoo 23.93
Nathan Drummond 23.95
Daniel Nielson 23.99
Daniel McKenzie 24.02
Ed Langdon 24.06
Oleg Markov 24.14
Connor Menadue 24.14
Conor McKenna 24.16
Matthew Goodyear 24.49
Jack Hiscox 24.36

Standing vertical jump (cm)Marvin Baynham 88
Jarrod Garlett 76
Nathan Drummond 76
Christian Petracca 74
Nakia Cockatoo 73
James Rose 73
Dean Gore 72
Nicholas Coughlan 72
Evan Bruinsma 72
Reece McKenzie 72
Tom Read 72

Running vertical jump (cm)
Evan Bruinsma 97
Marvin Baynham 95
Daniel McKenzie 94
Billy Gowers 93
Nathan Drummond 90
Nakia Cockatoo 89
Matthew Uebergang 87
Mitch McGovern 87
James Rose 87
Matthew Hammelmann 87
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2014 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE STANDOUT RESULTS

3km time trial (minutes : seconds)
Jack Hiscox 9:18
Tom Lamb 9:45
Alex Neal-Bullen 9:54
Billy Stretch 9:57
Nathan Drummond 9:59
Josh Deluca-Cardillo 10:07
Daniel McKenzie 10:07
Connor Menadue 10:07
Liam Duggan 10:11
Jack Steele 10:11

Hiscox breaks all-time endurance record

Beep test/shuttle run (level)
Caleb Daniel 16.1
Jack Hiscox 16.1
Nathan Drummond 15.9
Tom Lamb 15.5
Ed Langdon 15.3
Jarrod Garlett 15.2
Alex Neal-Bullen 15.2
Jason Castagna 15.2
Billy Stretch 15.1
Jack Steele 15.1
Jordan Cunico 14.12
Christian Petracca 14.12

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Kicking test (score out of 30)
Nakia Cockatoo 29
Daniel Howe 28
Kyle Langford 28
Toby McLean 27
Michael Mattingly 27
Nathan Drummond 27
Dean Gore 27
Brett Eddy 27
Clem Smith 26
Liam Duggan 26
Brayden Maynard 26
Jack Steele 26
Ed Vickers-Willis 26
Mitch McGovern 26

How do the combine tests work and who are the record-holders?

Clean hands test (score out of 30)
Nathan Drummond 26

Paddy Brophy 26
Reece McKenzie 26
Tyler Keitel 26
Dougal Howard 26
Michael Mattingly 25
Brett Eddy 25
Caleb Daniel 25
Jake Johansen 25
Jarrod Garlett 25
Brydan Hodgson 25
Marc Pittonet 25
Liam Dawson 25
Jack Cripps 25

Goalkicking test (score out of 30)
Dean Gore 30
Keenan Ramsey 30
Nathan Drummond 25
Paddy Brophy 25
Michael Mattingly 25
Liam Dawson 25
Cory Gregson 25
Aidan Anderson 25
Dougal Howard 24
Jarrod Garlett 24
Jack Cripps 24
Bailey Dale 24
Declan Hamilton 24

20 metre sprint results (sec)
Marvin Baynham 2.81
Oleg Markov 2.87
Jarrod Pickett 2.87
Reece McKenzie 2.87
Connor Menadue 2.88
Nakia Cockatoo 2.90
Ed Langdon 2.92
Paddy Brophy 2.93
Conor McKenna 2.93
Nathan Drummond 2.93

Agility results (sec)
Clem Smith 8.09
Daniel McKenzie 8.10
Conor McKenna 8.12
Jarrod Pickett 8.13
Teia Miles 8.27
Lukas Webb 8.28
Josh McGuinness 8.33
Billy Stretch 8.33
Kyle Langford 8.36
Jack Lonie 8.37

Repeat sprint results (sec)
Nakia Cockatoo 23.93
Nathan Drummond 23.95
Daniel Nielson 23.99
Daniel McKenzie 24.02
Ed Langdon 24.06
Oleg Markov 24.14
Connor Menadue 24.14
Conor McKenna 24.16
Matthew Goodyear 24.49
Jack Hiscox 24.36

Standing vertical jump (cm)Marvin Baynham 88
Jarrod Garlett 76

Nathan Drummond 76
Christian Petracca 74
Nakia Cockatoo 73
James Rose 73
Dean Gore 72
Nicholas Coughlan 72
Evan Bruinsma 72
Reece McKenzie 72
Tom Read 72


Running vertical jump (cm)
Evan Bruinsma 97
Marvin Baynham 95
Daniel McKenzie 94
Billy Gowers 93

Nathan Drummond 90
Nakia Cockatoo 89
Matthew Uebergang 87
Mitch McGovern 87
James Rose 87
Matthew Hammelmann 87
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2014 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE STANDOUT RESULTS

3km time trial (minutes : seconds)
Jack Hiscox 9:18
Tom Lamb 9:45
Alex Neal-Bullen 9:54
Billy Stretch 9:57
Nathan Drummond 9:59
Josh Deluca-Cardillo 10:07
Daniel McKenzie 10:07
Connor Menadue 10:07
Liam Duggan 10:11
Jack Steele 10:11

Hiscox breaks all-time endurance record

Beep test/shuttle run (level)
Caleb Daniel 16.1
Jack Hiscox 16.1
Nathan Drummond 15.9
Tom Lamb 15.5
Ed Langdon 15.3
Jarrod Garlett 15.2
Alex Neal-Bullen 15.2
Jason Castagna 15.2
Billy Stretch 15.1
Jack Steele 15.1
Jordan Cunico 14.12
Christian Petracca 14.12

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Kicking test (score out of 30)
Nakia Cockatoo 29
Daniel Howe 28
Kyle Langford 28
Toby McLean 27
Michael Mattingly 27
Nathan Drummond 27
Dean Gore 27
Brett Eddy 27
Clem Smith 26
Liam Duggan 26
Brayden Maynard 26
Jack Steele 26
Ed Vickers-Willis 26
Mitch McGovern 26

How do the combine tests work and who are the record-holders?

Clean hands test (score out of 30)
Nathan Drummond 26
Paddy Brophy 26
Reece McKenzie 26
Tyler Keitel 26
Dougal Howard 26
Michael Mattingly 25
Brett Eddy 25
Caleb Daniel 25
Jake Johansen 25
Jarrod Garlett 25
Brydan Hodgson 25
Marc Pittonet 25
Liam Dawson 25
Jack Cripps 25

Goalkicking test (score out of 30)
Dean Gore 30
Keenan Ramsey 30
Nathan Drummond 25
Paddy Brophy 25
Michael Mattingly 25
Liam Dawson 25
Cory Gregson 25
Aidan Anderson 25
Dougal Howard 24
Jarrod Garlett 24
Jack Cripps 24
Bailey Dale 24
Declan Hamilton 24

20 metre sprint results (sec)
Marvin Baynham 2.81
Oleg Markov 2.87
Jarrod Pickett 2.87
Reece McKenzie 2.87
Connor Menadue 2.88
Nakia Cockatoo 2.90
Ed Langdon 2.92
Paddy Brophy 2.93
Conor McKenna 2.93
Nathan Drummond 2.93

Agility results (sec)
Clem Smith 8.09
Daniel McKenzie 8.10
Conor McKenna 8.12
Jarrod Pickett 8.13
Teia Miles 8.27
Lukas Webb 8.28
Josh McGuinness 8.33
Billy Stretch 8.33
Kyle Langford 8.36
Jack Lonie 8.37

Repeat sprint results (sec)
Nakia Cockatoo 23.93
Nathan Drummond 23.95
Daniel Nielson 23.99
Daniel McKenzie 24.02
Ed Langdon 24.06
Oleg Markov 24.14
Connor Menadue 24.14
Conor McKenna 24.16
Matthew Goodyear 24.49
Jack Hiscox 24.36

Standing vertical jump (cm)Marvin Baynham 88
Jarrod Garlett 76
Nathan Drummond 76
Christian Petracca 74
Nakia Cockatoo 73
James Rose 73
Dean Gore 72
Nicholas Coughlan 72
Evan Bruinsma 72
Reece McKenzie 72
Tom Read 72

Running vertical jump (cm)
Evan Bruinsma 97
Marvin Baynham 95
Daniel McKenzie 94
Billy Gowers 93
Nathan Drummond 90
Nakia Cockatoo 89
Matthew Uebergang 87
Mitch McGovern 87
James Rose 87
Matthew Hammelmann 87
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