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next year, or never againWe won't make the 8 again.
The club may as well cease to operate now that TG has said that we will never win a premiership.next year, or never again
The club may as well cease to operate now that TG has said that we will never win a premiership.next year, or never again
I'd go with Brisbane to win a premiership before the Pies. Brisbane have the stronger midfield going forward and better top end talent. Adding Beams and Christensen to what they already have then adding Keays next year who is essentially another Beams through their academy next year. They look the more attractive bet to win the next flag between the two teams. That academy is going to keep churning out players and Brisbane look to be in a state where they're a destination team under Leppitsch now with their young list looking good. Under Nathan to this point more of the good players are going out than coming in, and that trend probably continues as we continue to slide down the ladder.
KM, I don't mind some of your stuff but this a crap.I'd go with Brisbane to win a premiership before the Pies. Brisbane have the stronger midfield going forward and better top end talent. Adding Beams and Christensen to what they already have then adding Keays next year who is essentially another Beams through their academy next year. They look the more attractive bet to win the next flag between the two teams. That academy is going to keep churning out players and Brisbane look to be in a state where they're a destination team under Leppitsch now with their young list looking good. Under Nathan to this point more of the good players are going out than coming in, and that trend probably continues as we continue to slide down the ladder.
Then what you call Adams, Greenwood, Sidebottom and Pendles?
A long way??? Swan and Broomhead, than we haven't even seen Freeman yet, nor BK with any semblance of fitness under his belt. I'll be shocked if our midfield doesn't equip itself quite well in round 1.A long way behind Rockliff, Beams, Redden, Hanley, Zorko, Martin, Rich, Aish and Mayes. Our list lacks a defining trait ATM and it's really concerning...
On the whole rivalry thing though I find it hard to buy into a rivalry with a club that has as many members as an A league franchise that didn't exist when the Lions won their last premiership!
Lions 2014: 23,930
Victory 2014-2015 (2 rounds in): 22,611
When thrown in with a $12 million debt it just shows how demoralising it must be to support the Lions!!
So you are saying Bucks has destroyed the Pies because all the good players outside of Pendles and Cloke and Reid have Walked.
So are we getting that Parish Kid next year then?
So we only get better when Nathan get's the Sack?
KM, I don't mind some of your stuff but this a crap.
Destination club...pfft. They benefitted that Beams brother plays there and his sick dad. Clay plays for Gold Coast, Dayne goes there. Christensen had to get out of Geelong because he got busted porking a teammates missus. Brisbane had the $$. They've lost 7 players in the last 2 years, who wanted out, most 1st & 2nd round picks. They'll lose Aish next year to add to that. 3 players have wanted to leave us. Thomas, Wellingham and Beams. Ironically all got massive deals to change clubs. Others were moved on by the club.
Brisbane have rubbish tall players at both ends, an injury plagued ruckman and Stefan Martin who played a handful of good games this year, after playing mainly 2's last year. Have a look at the gun key forwards in the comp. All are either early draft picks & father sons. Tex Walker was an academy player and Petrie is good without being a gun.
Brisbane have retained 2 1st round pick players since 2008 and Aish will bail next year. You follow drafts as much as anyone. I would have thought you'd have seen the lack of top end talent at Brisbane. They'll be bottom 5 again even with Beams and a complimentary player in Christensen. Patfull is a huge loss.
Far enough you follow that closely but by the time these kids are ready to have an impact, Hanley and Beams will be 30. Those missing 1st rounders will hurt them bigtime in the years to come, next 3 to 5, while we've picked up Adams, Kennedy, Broomhead, Grundy, Scharenberg and Freeman who are all a few years advanced on kids not even drafted yet.It's more an overall trend shifting out. Outside of veterans we have had
year 1: Wellingham/Dawes
year 2: Shaw
year 3: Beams
Those are very significant pieces.
Collingwood aren't finishing bottom 4. But 12th next year, possibly.
Brisbane I agree now have a poor group of talls but that will be replenished easily through the academy.
But I have good reason to be bullish on Brisbane's future, and a reason that goes deeper than the playing list you may look at today.
In addition to Keays who may be the best and certainly looks a top 5 guy next year, Nate Dennis next year also is a ripper for them as a ruckman who also could be a terrific key defender.
What the average fan won't know is those guys in the Academy programs, they develop them better than the AIS boys. Heeney as an example, he was coming into this year worth around pick 20 as a possible but far from certain first rounder. Jack Steele from GWS, he is an overager and a club bid a first round selection on him, he was overlooked completely last year and has become one of the most productive guys in this draft class. Jack Hiscox is going second round to Sydney as an overager after not nearly being relevant last year, just turning an athlete into a really nice talent. You're going to see a lot of this in the future.
In addition to the development advantage within the Brisbane academy, in QLD a high proportion of players getting drafted from QLD are actually talls. Harris Andrews who Brisbane are getting as a tall key forward/key defender has developed significantly this year and looks like he has real scope long term to be something, and under the current F/S bidding system they hardly had to pay a thing to get him. Brisbane also could have taken Matthew Hammelmann as a key forward but decided against it despite the promise he has shown. With the academy and being able to raise these kids from the age of 12, they'll be developing monsters. Absolute monsters like you'd never believe having so much time to mold these kids into whatever they want.
And looking back historically QLD is a breeding ground for talls with nearly half of the QLDers in the AFL key position players or ruckmen.
Unless the draft rules change drastically Brisbane will get those talls to complement their potent midfield group, no problem, just through the academy. With that academy program they just about won't need to scout talent outside their academy, as we're seeing this year just about all their picks are academy guys and we're going to see a lot more of that in the future as Brisbane and the other clubs with the academies get more years into their academy boys.
Far enough you follow that closely but by the time these kids are ready to have an impact, Hanley and Beams will be 30. Those missing 1st rounders will hurt them bigtime in the years to come, next 3 to 5, while we've picked up Adams, Kennedy, Broomhead, Grundy, Scharenberg and Freeman who are all a few years advanced on kids not even drafted yet.
I'm not huge on what we have going into the future. A future without Maxwell and Ball as leaders gone and Beams as our second best player also gone. That's a huge step back. We dropped away badly after Maxwell went out. With Ball also gone and Beams gone and even Lumumba, that really weakens what we have substantially. I like the guys we are drafting in the most part and our scouts are identifying good talent, we're bringing in some talent and doing a good job developing them at least to a point. But while we're drafting well, I'm not seeing the star power in enough of them or the leadership or coaching to really maximise their talents to the level a Hawthorn or Sydney in recent times are with the talent they are bringing in. I just see having a bunch of seasons where we finish 9th, maybe a few where we finish in the 5-8 range, but top 4 finishes I feel with the group we have will not happen again as much as I desperately as a fan hope I'm wrong.
I don't have Brisbane in my top 8 next year. I have them at around 10th and on the gradual rise from there with the strength of their academy to shock some people. I just have us more around 12th next year and probably more likely staying around there in coming years.
Brisbane I agree now have a poor group of talls but that will be replenished easily through the academy.
But I have good reason to be bullish on Brisbane's future, and a reason that goes deeper than the playing list you may look at today.
In addition to Keays who may be the best and certainly looks a top 5 guy next year, Nate Dennis next year also is a ripper for them as a ruckman who also could be a terrific key defender.
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Speculating about our future in coming years when you have no idea how players will develop or who we will recruit is ridiculous. You might be right about our finish in 2015 but beyond that is anyone's guess.
I think you are forgetting that it takes a lot longer for talls to develop than mids. By the time any of their talls are able to consistently perform at a high level, Beams and co will be pushing 30. Meanwhile our Witts, Grundy, Keefe, Frost, Reid, Moore and Brown will all be Ripe as our mids have become a hardened group.
So Beams has come out and said that the Lions are closer to a premiership than we are.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-24/lions-window-is-open-beams
I reckon this is a load of bullsh**. Yeah, they have a young list as well but it's full of midfielders and they are without a power forward.
What dyou guys think? (take off the bias hat)
Also, this is my first thread, so hopefully i've done this correctly.
Knightmare i respect your opinions but can you seriously see a club like Brisbane overtaking us? I actually think they are on their last legs.
Reason being is nobody gives a fck about AFL in qld.
Then the next reason is the Suns. Younger and more attractive.
They should be worried and appears they are with their recruitment.
Mate, i live in sydney. GWS are in big trouble but are massively being propped up by the afl. Nobody gives a s**t about them.From a Brisbane Lions the business perspective I agree with you on Brisbane's position. They really struggle.
You are also right about the limited interest in AFL in QLD. It's the same story as in NSW, it's a rugby state.
Gold Coast I also agree are more advanced and more talented and that's why I'm not overall suggesting Brisbane will win a premiership. Sydney, GWS and Gold Coast long term should be the three top teams with Brisbane that fourth in theory.
On Brisbane their recruiting last year was terrific. Aish, Taylor mid draft who won the rising star. Gardiner can be a really good key defender. Robertson and Cutler also look like genuine long term players and further value picks. McStay as a KPP I still have a ? over but the fact that he debuted in his first season and competed well is a terrific sign.
But recruitment of talent is definitely not an issue for Brisbane, they've got the academy, they're picking the right guys through the draft. They're better coached and we saw signs of that over the second half of the season with the way the youth was really kicking on and actually winning games despite the absence of many of their better players - Rich/Redden/Leuenberger/Brown(retired).
Brisbane certainly from a winning standpoint while they're not going to get the membership/attendance at games, they're a growing team and have the ability to become a strong team in a few years.
Mate, i live in sydney. GWS are in big trouble but are massively being propped up by the afl. Nobody gives a s**t about them.
Swans are fine. Very smart club. Buddy deal was brilliant for them.
I don't really know the qld landscape but how can Brisbane possibly compete with Gold Coast.
3 clubs i worry about and they are St Kilda, Bulldogs and Brisbane.
I may be wrong.