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They'll be chasing the big autumn dollars in Sydney l reckon.
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They'll be chasing the big autumn dollars in Sydney l reckon.
yaco55
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Fawkner can run out the 3200m if ridden further back in the field, though not as far back as last year. It's a wide open race this year with few horses making a compelling case.
It's been a close no cigar two weeks with Rising Romance and Fawkner so close.
It's been a close no cigar two weeks with Rising Romance and Fawkner so close.
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Not a knock on Fawkner, been great all prep but has had great gates with run of race every start. Would need that again to be a chance to get 2 mile.
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Havent minded his runs this prep actually on unfavourable good tracks, but been dead set against due to the unders as you say.
Will keep an eye on the forecast from here on in, if we get some rain he could run a race at proper odds now ($30+)
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Interested to know thoughts from the international experts on Willing Foe?
2nd to Seismos last start doesn't inspire me with any great confidence but looks a moral to run the trip.
Also Cavalryman? Going better than this time two years ago despite being 8? Like the fact he enjoy firms ground. Not a good ride by Dettori two years ago so can be forgiven for the 12th place.
2nd to Seismos last start doesn't inspire me with any great confidence but looks a moral to run the trip.
Also Cavalryman? Going better than this time two years ago despite being 8? Like the fact he enjoy firms ground. Not a good ride by Dettori two years ago so can be forgiven for the 12th place.
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And Silent Achiever out
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Bensley said on RR this morning he'll run in the Mackinnon
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Why is everyone so keen on Admire Rakti? I think it's got next to none.
Roger James has confirmed that Silent Achiever won't run in the MC.
Araldo is 33 in the OOE. By my reckoning there's at least 7 above him in the OOE who are definite non-runners.
Araldo is 33 in the OOE. By my reckoning there's at least 7 above him in the OOE who are definite non-runners.
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Unknown international raider I agree but did manage to dig up this obscure form reference which may assist?
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Willing Foe is my pick of the European internationals. Has more tactical speed than Seismos and that race where they met was WF's first run from a long LONG break after injury. He then ran ok in a farcically run Irish St Leger (beat Royal Diamond and Pale Mimosa).
Calvaryman had his chance last time - Surely too old and too slow these days.
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His Japan Cup run made me think they might be a bit brilliant for him over 2400 yet he was still too good.
Better suited in the Melbourne Cup for mine and will relish the 3200.
Not a price id take now, but should he be favourite and has undeniable winning claims.
Who was the last 8yo G1 winner in Australia? I remember Redelva winning a William Reid and Futurity. Haven't followed racing closely for many years, maybe there've been others since?
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FOO?
That's what the racebook will say due to the different north and south breeding seasons, but he was foaled in 2006 so is really only an 8yo. The Cox Plate winner is actually a 3yo.
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Also remember his 58 in the CC was really a 56 but the limit was raised. Compressed weight scale there, he now carries 58.5 on a proper limit. Of course he COULD win, but he's gross, gross unders.
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Yes I get that,8 or 9 wont matter as they dont win Melb Cups.
Especially at their 2nd try
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Red Cadeaux ran a pretty bloody good race as an 8yo last year at his 2nd try.
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Horses don't know how many tries they've had. They can't count.
Well, except this guy:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans
Well, except this guy:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans
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Forgive me, i didn't realise we are only trying to find the winner of the Melbourne Cup in this thread, rather than discussing each runners form/merits. Sorry my bad.
Think ruling a horse out just because of age is pretty bad. Give me form over age any day.
Think ruling a horse out just because of age is pretty bad. Give me form over age any day.
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Is there many threads here where we spend 3 months trying to find the placings?
Found Give The Slip one year at 100/1+ & still not over it despite running 2nd at those odds
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Found Give The Slip one year at 100/1+ & still not over it despite running 2nd at those odds
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Seth
2 issues with The Offer
1) Weights - The horse is on the small side and is struggling with weights - And Melb cup weights being increased by 2kg making The Offer go from 54 1/2 to 56 1/2 will hamper his chances.
2) Tracks - I posted a week or two ago about the unseasonally dry tracks in Melbourne - The Offer needs a dead 5 or 6 to win the cup - The law of averages says we will get one track like this in the next two weights.
