No you need a mixture of both to be a good player.
In any case, every coach or credible football person would take the player who has better intensity/work rate but questionable ball skills over the bloke who can kick but is soft/doesn't work hard.
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In any case, every coach or credible football person would take the player who has better intensity/work rate but questionable ball skills over the bloke who can kick but is soft/doesn't work hard.
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Your going to judge a player in a game were every body was crap?
Don't mind Armstrong but I don't think he is anything special either. Has some major decencies such as his decision making, ability to lay a tackle, take a strong grab. Yes he has some athleticism and foot skills, however I don't believe he is part of our long term plans.
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That's funny hey that three of those guys actually ARE Premiership players
No lol, the fact that he's been at 3 clubs and has been crap at all 3 has produced that idea.........
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Armstrong's desicion making abilty is good.
I seriously can not recall Armstrong kicking the ball over 35 metres.
Dinky little kicks backwards and sideways off the half back line are useless.
I'd be happy to see him thrown on the scrap heap and get some time into the younger players while we are not a premiership threat.
Dinky little kicks backwards and sideways off the half back line are useless.
I'd be happy to see him thrown on the scrap heap and get some time into the younger players while we are not a premiership threat.
Pretty easy when all u do is kick the ball sideways 15-20m everytime u get it.
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In the games he got toward the end of the season, one of which he played after already playing in the vfl earlier in the day, he averaged
: 3 tackles per game, which was higher than maxwell, frost, lumumba, Williams, keeffe and Langdon. Basically our whole back line. What have you got to say about that??
: 3.8 marks, higher than beams, pendlebury, frost, goldsack, Blair, Adams broomhead, toovey
: 82% disposal efficiency. Higher than everyone else in the team bar keeffe.
You lose. Top 15 player by a long stretch.
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It's no coincidence that our worst performances this season coincided with Armstrong playing seniors.
He's not solely to blame but to say he owned us is laughable.
5 games
82% out of 79 disposals.
19 contested possessions.
58 uncontested possessions.
Please don't let the facts get in the way of a stupid argument. Somehow Armstrong has reach champion status for some on the back of a few reasonable games at the end of the year.
Armstrong still faces a really challenge breaking into the 22 next year.
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Well I'm both an Armstrong and Keeffe lover.
Random stats do not make your argument any stronger. Not sure Blair, Adams, Toovey etc are there for their making abilities. He did okay when he came in at the end of the year. Nothing more, nothing less. Making anything else out of his performances is unjustified hype. But he did show he may have a role in the team next year if he can maintain those performances.
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Considering he was the worst of the lot and that he was in fact so poor that he consistently made others look crap then yes. I initially wanted to see him delisted at the end of this season and still do. However as it seems most likely that he'll remain I hope he improves the rest of his game to accompany his 'kicking'.
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He owned us? How exactly? He played a VFL game in the morning & then backed up with a good AFL game in the evening. One game does not make a career.
While that was a good effort, it does not make him a best 15 player in our side. Ridiculous comment. Almost as stupid as the "I'm never wrong" comment.
If he was best 15 in our side, he would have played a lot more games in the one's. He got a game because of an horrendous injury list. That is all.
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Again - He played ONE good game after backing up in the VFL in the morning. Just ONE game.
He got his dues for that, even from me. It was a good effort after getting virtually no recovery time.
But your comment of him being top 15 is ridiculous.
Are you a friend or relo or something?
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He played very well the previous week, and was in our best 5, the other few games he played he was very good too, with the exception of the hawthorn game. So 4 excellent games out of 5. You obviously weren't paying attention, just busy hating.
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So now they were excellent games? Give it a rest. Rather than keep derailing the thread.
Lets wait until the end of season 2015. If Armstrong is a best 15 player, he will have played nearly every game in the ones by then & you will be justified & receive an apology.
If he is playing VFL all year & makes no impression, will you admit you were wrong & make an apology as well? Perhaps stop with the arrogant "I'm never wrong" comments as well? Tends to paint a target on your back.
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We all watched those games. It's just that we aren't biased towards indigenous players like you and BBB.
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I'm not just biased to indigenous players, I'm also biased to players who can kick the ball.
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Yeah you are, even if you can't see it.
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Read my post again.
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Apologies. I did misread that. At least you can openly admit it
