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As others have mentioned; no need to upgrade him. He has his contract and for all intents and purposes he is on the list anyway due to Schazza LTI. Can then be promoted on his own merit after Round 11. Simple list management. As long as being on the rookie list doesn't cap his salary (under what he is worth) not an issue for mine. Can still play 25-26 games next year.
Maybe. Or...
Better.
We have enough defedners like Ramsay but not enough like Armstrong.
I disagree with keeping him on the rookie list, but you get a like for that excellent pun! Very cool!He has been rewarded, he has a new two year contract, keep him on ice.
I disagree with keeping him on the rookie list,
On the surface, from a purely numbers viewpoint totally correct.If he's going to get paid basically what amounts to a senior listed players wage this year and has had his contract back-ended in 2016 to bump the per year number up across the two year term then does it really matter if he is "officially" on the rookie list for 2015?
He's not going to play as a rookie (ie. he'll be promoted to the primary list for the entire year) and he's not getting paid as a rookie (ie. he'll be on a primary list player wage scale for the entire year), so which part of our list he sits on wont really mean much in the long run.
If he's going to get paid basically what amounts to a senior listed players wage this year and has had his contract back-ended in 2016 to bump the per year number up across the two year term then does it really matter if he is "officially" on the rookie list for 2015?
He's not going to play as a rookie (ie. he'll be promoted to the primary list for the entire year) and he's not getting paid as a rookie (ie. he'll be on a primary list player wage scale for the entire year), so which part of our list he sits on wont really mean much in the long run.
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2014-10-31/rookie-return-for-armstrongDepends upon how you rate Armstrong. Personally, I think Ramsay has more upside given his age. Was the youngest on our list the year he was drafted and has taken time but the club obviously thinks he has a future and he showed a bit in his senior appearances. Hard to see Armstrong improving too much at 25-26.
I suppose if Jack and his manager are fine with it, then it's all good. Personally as a best 22 player I would be demanding a spot on the list for security/game time reasons. Furthermore it sends a messages to other clubs that he is a player we have intentions of looking after and keeping. If he is still on a rookie list, others will whisper things in his ear.I'll respectfully disagree with both of you on that front - having signed the contract and knowing that we do value his services already then which part of the list he officially sits on is moot. I'd agree wholeheartedly with you if he was not going to be elevated for the entire year but that's clearly not the case as he's clearly best 22 and will (barring injury) be playing out the entire season on the primary list - he knows it and the club knows it.
One other pertinent fact to remember is that he signed after the end of the 2014 season (after the prognosis for both Macaffer and Scharenberg was known), so the arrangement being discussed above may have already been put to Jack / his agent and agreed upon by both parties before signing, thus potentially making any point about the "vibe" coming from such a move or Frost feeling like he isn't valued by the club moot.
Occam's razor and all that jazz...
pick 85 frostyYou'd imagine that frees up a spot for Frost and allows the club to use pick 48. Very happy with that.
Differing opinions are what it's all about party, I don't disagree with the numbers or theory, just the look.I'll respectfully disagree with both of you on that front - having signed the contract and knowing that we do value his services already then which part of the list he officially sits on is moot. I'd agree wholeheartedly with you if he was not going to be elevated for the entire year but that's clearly not the case as he's clearly best 22 and will (barring injury) be playing out the entire season on the primary list - he knows it and the club knows it.
One other pertinent fact to remember is that he signed after the end of the 2014 season (after the prognosis for both Macaffer and Scharenberg was known), so the arrangement being discussed above may have already been put to Jack / his agent and agreed upon by both parties before signing, thus potentially making any point about the "vibe" coming from such a move or Frost feeling like he isn't valued by the club moot.
Occam's razor and all that jazz...
pick 85 frosty
Agreed Lynchy, intriguing to say the least . . . .Well, I thought if they were upgrading Frosty, they would have announced at the same time as the delisting of Armstrong.
The deadline has passed.
Maybe the media ran with the Armstrong piece only?
Although the club has not tweeted anything about Frost.
Perhaps they are looking at delisted free agent?
Who is?He is a senior player.
He is a senior player.