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- a Pakistani blogger was live tweeting when Seal Team 6 landed at bin Laden's compound, although he didn't know what was happening
- when Melbourne had massive rainfall and floods, Twitter is the first place I search for photos and videos
- I have tweeted many companies such as Telstra, Foxtel, CommBank and gotten helpful responses

None of us really need Facebook, Twitter or even the internet. Or a home phone or mobile phone. But I do feel I get value from Twitter.

I was on Twitter in 2007 and started the thread below in 2009. I felt I was really slow to get into Twitter, I just didn't understand it:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-definitive-twitter-thread.662665/
 
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RedmanWasHere said:
Some Melbourne parallels from last year.

When Dean Bailey was sacked last year, he was replaced by Todd Viney who had played 233 games for Melbourne which was also the coach killing score kicked by Geelong against Melbourne.

Melbourne's score of 47 equalled the time in years since Melbourne last won a flag.

In Todd Viney's 233 games, he kicked 92 goals.
Dean Bailey was delisted by Essendon in 1992.

Tom Scully played 31 games in the No. 31 guernsey.

Dean Bailey played 53 games for Essendon, 53 - 31 = 22.
Melbourne's Best and Fairest last year was No. 22 Brent Moloney.

Dean Bailey made his VFL/AFL debut in 1986.
Geelong killed Dean Bailey's Melbourne coaching career in a 186 pointer.

Going back to Todd Viney's career re 233 games and 92 goals, the difference between the two numbers is 141, Neil Craig (Mark Neeld's right hand man) first experienced a 100 point loss in Round 17 2004 when it was Adelaide vs Brisbane.

Brisbane won that game by 141 points.

Another parellel with Brent Moloney's No. 22.

Tom Scully, who wore No. 31 with Melbourne now takes the No. 9 guernsey at GWS and as we all know from prep and Grade one, 31 - 9 = 22.
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Quoting my own post here but thought up something else.

We know that, in this game, Geelong scored 37 goals 11 behinds.
We also know that then Melbourne president Jim Stynes wore both No's. 37 and 11 when he was playing.

What I thought of a few weeks ago were the numbers 37 and 11.
37 - 11 = 26 (all preppies should know that by the end of the year.)

Focus on the number 26.
Reverse the numbers and you get 62.

So why have I brought up No. 62?
Because 62 x 3 = 186.

As it's 3 years since that display the number 3 fits really well here.

You all see the 186?
Well that was the margin that I mentioned in the post above in the Geelong Melbourne game.
 
Updated for last night's International game:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/stats-observations.982508/page-111#post-34159442

Harvey becomes the first Australian to play 10 international games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_international_rules_football_team#Most_Australian_caps

EDIT: had to take 10 off Fletcher cos I stuffed up his total, so he drops from 10th to 12th
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MOST SENIOR GAMES (current to IRS, 2014)
|| A | V | S | W | T | N | NZ | NS | SoO | SL | Int | TOTAL
\ 10| Brent Harvey | 384 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 41 | 2 | 0 | 10 | 437
\ 11|Kevin Bartlett | 403 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 12 | 20 | 0 | 0 | 435
\ 12| Dustin Fletcher | 393 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 34 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 434
\ 13|Darrell Baldock | 123 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 259 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 25 | 20 | 0 | 433
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50 goals in a season for teams who went winless

VFL/AFL

Season | Player | Club | Goals | position in league goalkicking
\1913|Roy Park|University|53|equal 2nd
\1928|Bert Hyde|Hawthorn|62|3rd
\1934|Tom Fitzmaurice|North Melbourne|63|6th

SANFL

Season | Player | Club | Goals | position in league goalkicking
\1926|Alf "Bulla" Ryan|South Adelaide|53|3rd
\1933|Dickie Bennetts|West Adelaide|74|equal 3rd

WAFL

Season | Player | Club | Goals | position in league goalkicking
\1999|Scott Simister|Peel Thunder|52|2nd
 
CENTURY GOAL TOTALS BY PLAYERS WHO FINISHED RUNNERS UP IN MAJOR COMPETITIONS


VFL/AFL

Player | Goals | Club | Season | Leader | Goals | Club
\Gordon Coventry|108|Collingwood|1933|Bob Pratt|109|South Melbourne
\Gordon Coventry|105|Collingwood|1934|Bob Pratt|150|South Melbourne
\Peter Hudson|120|Hawthorn|1969|Doug Wade|127|Geelong
\Peter McKenna|143|Collingwood|1970|Peter Hudson|146|Hawthorn
\Peter McKenna|134|Collingwood|1971|Peter Hudson|150|Hawthorn
\Geoff Blethyn|107|Essendon|1972|Peter McKenna|130|Collingwood
\Warwick Capper|103|Sydney|1987|Tony Lockett|117|St Kilda
\Peter Sumich|111|West Coast|1991|Tony Lockett|127|St Kilda
\Tony Lockett|132|St Kilda|1992|Jason Dunstall|145|Hawthorn
\Gary Ablett|124|Geelong|1993|Tony Modra|129|Adelaide
\Jason Dunstall|101|Hawthorn|1994|Gary Ablett|129|Geelong
\Tony Lockett|110|Sydney|1995|Gary Ablett|122|Geelong
\Jason Dunstall|102|Hawthorn|1996|Tony Lockett|121|Sydney

VFA

Player | Goals | Club | Season | Leader | Goals | Club
\George Hawkins|107|Prahran|1934|Frank Seymour|130|Northcote
\Harry Vallence|133|Williamstown|1939|George Hawkins|164|Prahran
\Harry Vallence|111|Williamstown|1940|Ted Freyer|157|Port Melbourne
\Laurie Nash|141|Camberwell|1941|Bob Pratt|183|Coburg
\Jack Titus|119|Coburg|1945|Ron Todd|188|Williamstown
\Jack Douglas|101|Brighton|1947|Bill Findlay|107|Port Melbourne
\Ian Cooper|104|Sandringham|1973|Jim "Frosty" Miller|108|Dandenong
\Fred Cook|108|Port Melbourne|1975|Joe Radojevic|119|Geelong West
\Gary Hammond|120|Camberwell|1976 (Div 2)|Peter Neville|134|Mordialloc
\Peter Neville|132|Mordialloc|1979 (Div 2)|Mark Fotheringham|133|Yarraville
\Robert Smith|101|Coburg|1980|Fred Cook|112|Port Melbourne
\Fred Cook|106|Port Melbourne|1981|Rex Hunt|110|Sandringham
\Russell Bourne|104|Mordialloc|1981 (Div 2)|Peter Stevenson|119|Camberwell
\Oscar Aertssen|112|Oakleigh|1982 (Div 2)|Ted Carroll|118|Springvale
\ (1) Jamie Shaw|106|Preston|1985|Ian Morrison|108|Sandringham
\ (2) Mark Fotheringham|106|Williamstown|1985|Ian Morrison|108|Sandringham
\Hugh Litchfield|111|Sunshine|1985 (Div 2)|Rino Pretto|170|Oakleigh
\Paul McCarty|112|Frankston|1986|Jamie Shaw|145|Preston
\Hugh Litchfield|134|Sunshine|1986 (Div 2)|Rino Pretto|151|Oakleigh

SANFL

Player | Goals | Club | Season | Leader | Goals | Club
\Colin Munro|115|South Adelaide|1935|Ken Farmer|128|North Adelaide
\Bo Morton|101|Sturt|1940|Ken Farmer|123|North Adelaide
\Dennis Sachse|105|North Adelaide|1973|Ken Whelan|107|Sturt
\ (1) Trevor Pierson|104|Woodville|1982|Tim Evans|125|Port Adelaide
\ (2) Greg Edwards|104|Central Districts|1982|Tim Evans|125|Port Adelaide
\Neville Roberts|111|Norwood|1983|Rick Davies|151|Sturt
\Grenville Dietrich|101|North Adelaide|1984|Tim Evans|127|Port Adelaide
\Ian Willmott|112|Sturt|1985|Malcolm Blight|126|Woodville
\John Fidge|124|Glenelg|1990|Scott Hodges|153|Port Adelaide

WAFL

Player | Goals | Club | Season | Leader | Goals | Club
\Ted Tyson|143|West Perth|1934|George Doig|152|East Fremantle
\George Doig|113|East Fremantle|1935|Ted Tyson|119|West Perth
\Ted Tyson|126|West Perth|1937|George Doig|144|East Fremantle
\Bert Chandler|120|South Fremantle|1938|Ted Tyson|126|West Perth
\Ted Tyson|100|West Perth|1939|Bert Gook|102|Perth
\George Doig|108|East Fremantle|1940|George Moloney|129|Claremont
\George Moloney|108|Claremont|1941|George Doig|146|East Fremantle
\Ray Scott|133|West Perth|1952|Bernie Naylor|147|South Fremantle
\Ray Scott|143|West Perth|1953|Bernie Naylor|167|South Fremantle
\Ray Scott|111|West Perth|1954|Bernie Naylor|133|South Fremantle
\Austin Robertson|104|Subiaco|1967|Phil Tierney|119|East Perth
\Phil Tierney|106|East Perth|1968|Austin Robertson|162|Subiaco
\Phil Smith|104|West Perth|1971|Austin Robertson|111|Subiaco
\Archie Duda|106|East Perth|1977|Ray Bauskis|108|South Fremantle
\Simon Beasley|119|Swan Districts|1981|Warren Ralph|127|Claremont

TFL

Player | Goals | Club | Season | Leader | Goals | Club
\Mike Elliott|106|Sandy Bay|1978|Peter Hudson|153|Glenorchy
\Chris Reynolds|104|Devonport|1988|Wayne Fox|110|Hobart
 
1. After playing for Port Melbourne in the VFA in 1921, Bill Walton was appointed as captain-coach of Hawthorn in 1922. Port Melbourne refused to give Walton a clearance. In order to coach Hawthorn, Walton still had to play for Port, which meant that twice in 1922, he had the unusual situation of playing a game against the club that he was coaching during the week. Eventually Port gave Walton a clearance for the 1923 season.

2. When Geelong defeated South Melbourne 8.9 (57) to 1.9 (15) in Round 16 of the 1964 season, South's lone goal was kicked by Ian Randle, who was playing his one and only game for the Swans.

3. Noel Jarvis played in both the Fitzroy Seniors and Reserve Premierships teams in 1944, as the Grand Finals for both matches were held on different days.

4. Carlton player William Leeds retired from the VFL at the end of the 1903 season, and umpired a couple of games in the VFL in 1904. Amazingly, he gave up umpiring to rejoin the Blues, who were struggling to pick a team due to injuries. He played in the Grand Final against Fitzroy, becoming the first and only person to umpire and then play in the VFL in the same season.

5. The shortest surname in VFL/AFL history belongs to Tom Re, who played three games for Fitzroy in 1936-37.
 
GrahamClayton said:
3. Noel Jarvis played in both the Fitzroy Seniors and Reserve Premierships teams in 1944, as the Grand Finals for both matches were held on different days.
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I didn’t know that, though I knew that in later days there were ruled preventing senior players from playing reserves and under-19s if they had played too much senior football, and that reserves Grand Finals were often played on Show Day.
 
worbod said:
Thanks for picking that up. I presume Doig overtook Gook after the finals series?
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Sorry, wasn't sure if you were including finals or not.

Doig kicked 11 goals in his two finals matches to get to 105 for the season. Neither Gook nor Tyson played finals that year, in fact Tyson got his 100 goals despite playing in only one win for the season out of his 19 matches.
 

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Yes I was including finals. Hope all the other WAFL goal kicking stats I posted are correct in relation to this.
 
UpForGrabs said:
Sorry, wasn't sure if you were including finals or not.

Doig kicked 11 goals in his two finals matches to get to 105 for the season. Neither Gook nor Tyson played finals that year, in fact Tyson got his 100 goals despite playing in only one win for the season out of his 19 matches.
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In 1938 and 1939 Ted Tyson scored 227 of West Perth’s 468 goals – an amazing record, although in both seasons he kicked goals in only eighteen matches. In fact, in 1939 if we exclude a match against East Perth in torrential rain (it was one of the very wettest winters all across southern Australia and scoring was phenomenal considering that) where Tyson did not kick any of the Cardinals’ eight goals, he would have topped the “50 percent mark” with 101 of West Perth’s 201 goals in their other 19 games (one of which he did not play). In 1930 Glenelg’s Jack Owens scored 99 of his team’s 176 goals (a whopping 56.25 percent) but since then no player in the major leagues has reached 50 percent.

During 1939 against South Fremantle Tyson kicked one amazing soccer goal over his head that was regarded as the best goal of the year (in fact,for some years past) in the WANFL. It’s most unfair that Tyson, unlike Doig and Ken Farmer, has not yet made the Australian Football Hall of Fame: along with
(in the “Coach” category) Jerry Dolan, Tyson constitutes the most pressing Hall absentee from pre-Eagles Western Australian football.
 
mianfei said:
During 1939 against South Fremantle Tyson kicked one amazing soccer goal over his head that was regarded as the best goal of the year (in fact,for some years past) in the WANFL. It’s most unfair that Tyson, unlike Doig and Ken Farmer, has not yet made the Australian Football Hall of Fame
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Four men have kicked 1000+ goals in WAFL history - George Doig, Austin Robertson Jr, Ted Tyson and Bernie Naylor.

Only Doig is in the Hall of Fame. Criminal.
 
the croucher said:
Not sure that this item had been noticed before, but it appears detailed stats analysis is not as modern as we may think:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/54590780
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Magnificent find, Mr Croucher. Norwood(s) won the game 4 goals 3 behinds to North Melbourne's 3 goals 16 behinds in 1889. I wonder if this was one of the results that contributed to the current "6, 1" scoring system that was adopted a few years later? Also just three running shots each, and 69 out of bounds. Twas a different game, eloquently sketched by our (sadly anonymous) South Australian scribe.

Next article is about two top-level lacrosse games. Anyone still playing lacrosse in Adelaide?
 
Almost 90 years after his retirement Roy Cazaly still holds the record for the highest exact total of games played for two different clubs, having played 99 for both St. Kilda and South Melbourne. Of all players who have played more than 100 games for two different clubs, the closest anyone has come to exceeding Cazaly is Leigh Colbert, who has a differential of one game, having played 105 for Geelong and then 104 for North Melbourne.
Of all players to have kicked more than 100 goals for two different clubs, no player has yet kicked the same exact total. The lowest differential has been achieved by Che Cockatoo-Collins', with 109 for Essendon and 106 for Port Adelaide. Of all players with more than 200 goals for two different clubs, Jeff Farmer has the lowest differential of 35, with 259 for Melbourne and 224 for Fremantle.
 
I posted this on the Footy History board but 35Daicos suggested that it'd also be worthy of mentioning here too.

Just tonight by chance I stumbled upon the interesting case of Con Molan, a Cats player in the 1900s who has recently been discovered to have played under two names during his career! Those concerned may want to update their records, as Col Hutchison appears to have done.

http://www.geelongcats.com.au/news/2015-03-27/the-cat-of-two-names
 
Gibbsy said:
I posted this on the Footy History board but 35Daicos suggested that it'd also be worthy of mentioning here too.

Just tonight by chance I stumbled upon the interesting case of Con Molan, a Cats player in the 1900s who has recently been discovered to have played under two names during his career! Those concerned may want to update their records, as Col Hutchison appears to have done.

http://www.geelongcats.com.au/news/2015-03-27/the-cat-of-two-names
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I wonder why they don't mention his exact DOB (He was born in October 1886). Perhaps they just don't know it, which would be a bit of a pity, as the list of unknown DOB is now extremely short as far as I know.

AFL Tables has 1879-04-10 for Henry Molan and 1878-03-30 for Con Ryan, which matches what was on the AFL Historical Statistics website.
 
35Daicos said:
I wonder why they don't mention his exact DOB (He was born in October 1886). Perhaps they just don't know it, which would be a bit of a pity, as the list of unknown DOB is now extremely short as far as I know.

AFL Tables has 1879-04-10 for Henry Molan and 1878-03-30 for Con Ryan, which matches what was on the AFL Historical Statistics website.
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Is there a list of unknown Date of Deaths as well? Am I right in saying they'd be somewhat harder to track down?
 
35Daicos said:
I wonder why they don't mention his exact DOB (He was born in October 1886). Perhaps they just don't know it, which would be a bit of a pity, as the list of unknown DOB is now extremely short as far as I know.

AFL Tables has 1879-04-10 for Henry Molan and 1878-03-30 for Con Ryan, which matches what was on the AFL Historical Statistics website.
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A DOB for H Molan, a different DOB for C Ryan, and a different one again for C Molan !!

Seems to me a distinct lack of paperwork maintained over the years.
Wonder what are the earliest dates for original player registration papers still held in AFL archives ?

Presumably around the country an Australian Football registration sheet would be similar throughout all senior competitions.
A select few held at the Queen Victoria Museum (hundreds, but not thousands) for the NTFA comp in Nth Tas 1960s to 1980s often include:
full name, current address, date of birth, clubs played with in previous four years.
 
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