Changes for Boxing Day - In: J.Burns Out: M.Marsh

[western royboy]

Could he make it as a bowler in the future if he tried to be a front liner? Sort of a reversal of what Smith (who was initially picked as a frontline spinner and Cam White <sort of, if not quite at test level>)has done in 4 years.

Not from what I've seen as a spin bowler you need to turn the ball - he just rolls it out. Honestly I think he is the most over hyped and rated player I have ever seen. He's not a batsman, nor a bowler and he should be nowhere near Test Cricket until he becomes one or the other.

 

[Ashton Agar]

I am that stoked that a Queenslander has been picked. I really hope Burns goes well.

Don't understand why people are like that, I don't care what state they come from, as long as they are good enough. I want the Bushrangers and Stars to win tournaments but what state they come from has no impact at all in who I want picked.

Hughes wasn't even Victorian for example but I loved him.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Also why no Cameron White? Genuine question as I recall reading a post of yours saying he was in if Clarke's back buggered up. Any inside word/idea why they went for Shaun Marsh instead and he has seemingly been overlooked again for a batting spot behind Burns? (Not that I necessarilly dispute these calls but he'd have to be close.

This may be the answer.

 

[The Passenger]

Could he make it as a bowler in the future if he tried to be a front liner? Sort of a reversal of what Smith (who was initially picked as a frontline spinner and Cam White <sort of, if not quite at test level>)has done in 4 years.

Also why no Cameron White? Genuine question as I recall reading a post of yours saying he was in if Clarke's back buggered up. Any inside word/idea why they went for Shaun Marsh instead and he has seemingly been overlooked again for a batting spot behind Burns? (Not that I necessarilly dispute these calls but he'd have to be close.

Looking back and how crazy was Smith's selection as a spinner - stupid and desperate.

He burst in the junior scene and into grade cricket in Sydney when he was about 14 or 15 and has always been one to keep an eye on. I would dare suggest the first time he was ever selected into any team as a bowler first, was into the test team which is ridiculous.

 

[western royboy]

Looking back and how crazy was Smith's selection as a spinner - stupid and desperate.

He burst in the junior scene and into grade cricket in Sydney when he was about 14 or 15 and has always been one to keep an eye on. I would dare suggest the first time he was ever selected into any team as a bowler first, was into the test team which is ridiculous.

If you go back over time, many of our best ever bats entered the team in that manner, Chappell's, S Waugh amongst others.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Don't understand while people are like that, I don't care what state they come from, as long as they are good enough. I want the Bushrangers and Stars to win tournaments but what state they come from has no impact at all in who I want picked.

Hughes wasn't even Victorian for example but I loved him.

Everyone is different. It feels like forever since a Queenslander got a baggygreen. I think the last one was Mitchell Johnson. Also for the record I was pretty stoked when Hazlewood debuted.

 

[Run n Spread]

This may be the answer.

Not great but not disastrous. He had been one of the premier shield batsman last few years thou. Still pays to pay attention. Media reports I figured Quiney was going well and could soon be a consideration (with Cowan) but the numbers suggest Voges, Cowan, Christian, Bancroft, Handscomb and Burns are the standouts considering this year and their careers to date/future potential.

 

[telsor]

Best hope now is that M.Marsh makes a full and total recovery, bowling well in the nets and pushing for a spot, while Burns makes runs, making him hard to drop.

Then, just maybe, the selectors will consider who else might be dropped.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Looking back and how crazy was Smith's selection as a spinner - stupid and desperate.

He burst in the junior scene and into grade cricket in Sydney when he was about 14 or 15 and has always been one to keep an eye on. I would dare suggest the first time he was ever selected into any team as a bowler first, was into the test team which is ridiculous.

It was during that period when we were basically picking a new spinner every series. He was one of the many who came through the revolving door. Also, the series he was picked was that weird two-match series against Pakistan, played in England.

He was 20-21 at the time and although we couldn't justify picking him as a batsman, we probably wanted to have a look at him anyway.

Later that year, we picked Doherty and Beer for the Ashes. So it's fair to say there was a vacuum there and picking Smith was a short-lived experiment justified by the circumstances.

 

[swansfan51]

Abbott is not a good enough batsmen to be considered in the top 7. He's not really even a bowling all rounder yet. Averages 14 in FC cricket.

I get the feeling he is being groomed as a bowling all rounder but he bats 7 and 8 for NSW and he's lucky to be batting above Steven O'Keefe. And probably even lucky to be batting above Starc.

Yeah I don't understand this at all. Starc has 4 test 50s, Smith has 6 first class 50s, Abbott has never done anything of any note with the bat. If he was playing for Australia tomorrow he would, and should, be batting at 10 and not considered anything other than a bowler.

 

[Super Hans]

I would rather Abbott then Watson.

Watson is all about himself. Eg going out 3 balls before tea trying to hook someone for six.

Let's be honest. Apart from the game just went Watson's bowling has been woeful. And batting has been horrible for a man of his talent. Maybe he needs a wake up call.

I'm always down for a good Watson bashing, but his bowling has always been good. Very dangerous bowler.

Stoked that Burns is in the team.

 

[frankrizzo]

Don't understand while people are like that, I don't care what state they come from, as long as they are good enough. I want the Bushrangers and Stars to win tournaments but what state they come from has no impact at all in who I want picked.

Hughes wasn't even Victorian for example but I loved him.

Agreed, im from the same state as burns but it means nothing to me i just want him to score runs for the same reason i wanted smith to score runs and that is we desperately need this new generation to step up with the bat in the next 18 months, which state they are from means nothing.

 

[The_Reaper]

Could he make it as a bowler in the future if he tried to be a front liner? Sort of a reversal of what Smith (who was initially picked as a frontline spinner and Cam White <sort of, if not quite at test level>)has done in 4 years.

Also why no Cameron White? Genuine question as I recall reading a post of yours saying he was in if Clarke's back buggered up. Any inside word/idea why they went for Shaun Marsh instead and he has seemingly been overlooked again for a batting spot behind Burns? (Not that I necessarilly dispute these calls but he'd have to be close.

Shaun Marsh was already the next in line and was actually arguably still ahead of Hughes. Look at the CA contracts- both Marsh and Hughes received contracts without being in any team.

The logic behind White (or Voges) would be if Clarke is forced to retire and the new Captain needs support from some experienced players. White and Voges would have to be considered if Haddin and Watson are dropped.

Plus our main issue with the batting is the number 3 spot. Neither White or Voges can fill it.

Shaun Marsh should be moved to 3. It will be complete nonsense if Burns is thrown into the deep end straight away- plus my gut feel is that Burns will struggle as a top order batsman in England.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Not great but not disastrous.

You mean White?

You asked why he hasn't been picked. The answer is that he hasn't scored many FC runs recently.

He had been one of the premier shield batsman last few years thou.

Really?

He did OK in 2013-14 but was average in 2012-13.

I wouldn't say he's been demanding selection with those numbers. Far from it.

Media reports I figured Quiney was going well and could soon be a consideration

Sorry? What?

I suggest you adjust your radio if the reports you've been hearing have Quiney in the frame.

 

[Run n Spread]

Shaun Marsh was already the next in line and was actually arguably still ahead of Hughes. Look at the CA contracts- both Marsh and Hughes received contracts without being in any team.

The logic behind White (or Voges) would be if Clarke is forced to retire and the new Captain needs support from some experienced players. White and Voges would have to be considered if Haddin and Watson are dropped.

Plus our main issue with the batting is the number 3 spot. Neither White or Voges can fill it.

Shaun Marsh should be moved to 3. It will be complete nonsense if Burns is thrown into the deep end straight away- plus my gut feel is that Burns will struggle as a top order batsman in England.

Where does Burns bat for Qld? Unless he is a specialist no 3 who can't bat elsewhere and that is his go I'd let him start at 6. No use stuffing Watson around either. His best results are at 3 or opening anyway so he may as well stay there if playing.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

The logic behind White (or Voges) would be if Clarke is forced to retire and the new Captain needs support from some experienced players. White and Voges would have to be considered if Haddin and Watson are dropped.

The difference is that Voges has scored quite a few runs in the past season and a half.

Since the start of the 2013-14 Shield season, he's scored 1278 runs at 67.

White is nowhere near that.

Based on that, if we decided there was room on the Ashes tour for some 'extra experience' it would be a hard sell to pick White over Voges. Cowan also in the mix.

 

[Jak!x]

Not from what I've seen as a spin bowler you need to turn the ball - he just rolls it out. Honestly I think he is the most over hyped and rated player I have ever seen. He's not a batsman, nor a bowler and he should be nowhere near Test Cricket until he becomes one or the other.

So he's basically the spinning version of Dan Christian? Damn Vics

 

[davis_756]

Seriously will Victorians ever stfu about Hodge, he was bog ordinary at Test level.

They gave him one chance when he was out of form, averaged 55 anyway and still got dropped

If he was bog ordinary our entire batting line up is bog ordinary

 

[Badesumofu]

I've been a fan of Burns' for a couple of years now. Whenever I see him bat he just looks the goods. Has a great range of shots and the ability to play long innings. Happy to see him get a chance and I hope he can really grab it and cement a spot. We will need more than just Warner and Smith making runs in the long term.

 

[The_Reaper]

Where does Burns bat for Qld? Unless he is a specialist no 3 who can't bat elsewhere and that is his go I'd let him start at 6. No use stuffing Watson around either. His best results are at 3 or opening anyway so he may as well stay there if playing.

Burns opens at the moment but through his career he has generally batted anyway in the top 4

 

[Run n Spread]

You mean White?

You asked why he hasn't been picked. The answer is that he hasn't scored many FC runs recently.

Really?

He did OK in 2013-14 but was average in 2012-13.

I wouldn't say he's been demanding selection with those numbers. Far from it.

Sorry? What?

I suggest you adjust your radio if the reports you've been hearing have Quiney in the frame.

Was more an inquiry from western royboy who had the money he was being considered. Quiney I thought was back to good form (although I'm not suggesting he be picked. He'd have to have a Katich like summer back when he was picked to even be considered and that is unlikely).

Just shows thou how desperate the situation was. He's actually performing slightly better (ave wise at least) to what he was 2 years a go but others have developed/found form so he is no where near it.

FWIW I think Burns is a great call and appropriate at this point. Watson lucky as he is bowling and Faulkner could've had a sniff as Wade could've with Haddin but wholesale changes are unlikely with the score 2-0. The fact no additions were made as cover suggests Warner is 100%.

 

[Tulip]

If the selectors weren't going to play Hussey Jr when we were desperate because he was too old, they're not going to whack Voges into a winning team.

 

[Badesumofu]

This may be the answer.

Before I look, I'm going to guess that this is a link to this year's Shield most runs stats on Cricinfo.

Edit: oh I'm good!

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Was more an inquiry from @westernroyboy who had the money he was being considered. Quiney I thought was back to good form (although I'm not suggesting he be picked. He'd have to have a Katich like summer back when he was picked to even be considered and that is unlikely).

Just shows thou how desperate the situation was. He's actually performing slightly better (ave wise at least) to what he was 2 years a go but others have developed/found form so he is no where near it.

I'm not sure where the chat about Quiney comes from.

When Quiney was picked in 2012, it was after he had been the second-highest scorer in the previous Sheffield Shield season.

He's not up there in the current Sheffield Shield season. That's why he's not in the frame.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

If the selectors weren't going to play Hussey Jr when we were desperate because he was too old, they're not going to whack Voges into a winning team.

Not right now. But if he finishes the Shield season strongly, he could be considered for a spot on the Ashes tour, particularly if the likes of Marsh and Burns don't grasp their opportunities in the Test side.

Will Rogers still be there? Will Clarke be fit?

These are factors that could open a door for Voges if his form holds.

There will be wholesale changes after the Ashes and I agree that Voges might be too old for an extended run. But there are still spots up for grabs for the Ashes and he's scoring heavily at FC level.