I don't think this is supportable. They may or may not have the evidence to convict. What they do have is enough evidence to suggest that a likely outcome is a conviction. Perhaps that sounds pedantic but my point is that prosecutors never know if they have enough to convict. They know they can build a case and on the balance of probabilities will get a conviction but they have no idea of the legal arguments that will be leveled against their case.
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I don't think this is supportable. They may or may not have the evidence to convict. What they do have is enough evidence to suggest that a likely outcome is a conviction. Perhaps that sounds pedantic but my point is that prosecutors never know if they have enough to convict. They know they can build a case and on the balance of probabilities will get a conviction but they have no idea of the legal arguments that will be leveled against their case.
which contradicts your last comment
But thats the point, if you aim is to cheat it helps no one to keep a copy of documents that show you intended to take banned substances. The easiest and most affective action is to NOT keep them. They incriminate players, this damages the club, and it damages Dank.
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Agree - I think it is a simple stuff up by Dank who may have thought that Thymosin was in the S0 category along with AOD or some such other ruse.
which is my view. IMO there are many on here that are complicating and adding malice to what is probably a pretty simple story. Predictably their versions of events contain many assumptions based on their dislike of the club and its personal
The whole case to me reeks of gross incompetence rather outright cheating with intent. It is indicative of a make it up as you go along type process; nothing was set up properly in advance, no documented approvals or reasoning why certain substances were used, the club doctor was left in the dark, instructions on mixing and testing new combinations were done by text message. That is the real sin behind all this, Essendon didn't take the basic principles of anti-doping seriously.
I was agreeing with you, and expanding the point.
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Mexy,
You've used more commas in that one sentence, that you have in the last week on the HTB.......props dude!
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Re the bolded - True that.
I think we would have a fundamental disagreement on what the stuff up was.
I think the stuff up was one of documentation (ie plausible deniability) rather than what was actually used. IMHO Dank knew exactly what he was administering and, given his known track record elsewhere, again, imho, along with TB4 there is a strong likelyhood that stuff like CJC which he seemed to be fond of, was also used but well covered. He may not have kept up with the changes to the status of TB4 which I believe at one stage was S0.
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Nah, Dank was the science man - the weap was all muscle. I doubt he would have had any "say" whatsoever on the drugs to be used.
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"Say" as compared with being involved in a discussion? How many physios do you know would would lead the recommendation of drugs to be used by a patient, when that patient is under the supervision of a consulting specialist?
For good or ill, Dank is the specialist in this instance. The Weap was a handy buffer and probably a pretty good physio.
For good or ill, Dank is the specialist in this instance. The Weap was a handy buffer and probably a pretty good physio.
I think many of you are giving Dank credit for intelligence he doesn't have. Claiming that he tried to get around WADA classifications and the like.
I reckon Dank thought Thymosin and TB4 were one and the same (as I mentioned elsewhere). He knew peptides, including the ones he'd used at Cronulla, could not be detected, at least in Australia.
If you look at his 'employment' at Cronulla, it wasn't intended that he carry out the role he took on. The drugs he administered would not have been cheap, and yet he supplied them (and his time) apparently free of charge.
Dank attempted to sue Cronulla, the NRL CEO, and a journalist for defamation. He lost the case and the subsequent appeal.
The appeal judge (Justice Lucy McCallum) said Dank’s paperwork contained several factual errors and was found to be in such a mess she dismissed several parts of his defamation action. “The present pleading of the first matter complained of remains in embarrassing form and must be struck out,” she wrote in her judgment.
If the Tribunal finds Dank guilty then you'd expect that the ACC will revisit his claim that he injected Thymomdulin. He may have 2 years in the 'big house' to study up on the WADA code.
I reckon Dank thought Thymosin and TB4 were one and the same (as I mentioned elsewhere). He knew peptides, including the ones he'd used at Cronulla, could not be detected, at least in Australia.
If you look at his 'employment' at Cronulla, it wasn't intended that he carry out the role he took on. The drugs he administered would not have been cheap, and yet he supplied them (and his time) apparently free of charge.
Dank attempted to sue Cronulla, the NRL CEO, and a journalist for defamation. He lost the case and the subsequent appeal.
The appeal judge (Justice Lucy McCallum) said Dank’s paperwork contained several factual errors and was found to be in such a mess she dismissed several parts of his defamation action. “The present pleading of the first matter complained of remains in embarrassing form and must be struck out,” she wrote in her judgment.
If the Tribunal finds Dank guilty then you'd expect that the ACC will revisit his claim that he injected Thymomdulin. He may have 2 years in the 'big house' to study up on the WADA code.
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That's a bit rich - claiming that if you were one of the 53,000 you had to be odd![/QUOTE]
HaHa, gjt80! Everyone in Adelaide is odd! It's just something we live with. Just couldn't remember how many over the 53, 200 it was. But, I guessed you got that, anyway. Good to have a chuckle, though!
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Haha a few keyboard warriors on here , how about we discuss the asada case in person and see who looks like they go to primary school and after the little chat will go running to mummy , I can guarantee you it won't be me
Nothing says keyboard warrior better than saying "come meet me and you'll go running to mummy" IMO.
Nah, I think it likely that the players were duped. This does seem to be a common theme with Dank. Sure, the players should have done more to protect their obligations but I think it would be totally impossible to convince that many people contemporaneously to take a banned substance. Convincing one would be hard!!
Seriously? We have seen two years of meaningless conversation on this board does that mean that there is a strong or weak case? The amount of time summarizing a case has very little correlation with the outcome. I don't know if they are guilty or not but I dont think that the amount of time for opening arguments is an indicator!!
It's a very strong indicator. For one, you can't be comparing this board to a legal team who actually knows what happened, has all the evidence at hand and has taken them six full days to open their case. That's a lot of information, and I highly doubt most of it is useless. What we do know publicly is that Essendon tried to have this information thrown out in the Federal court, and now the players lawyers are trying to make some of that information inadmissible. Another thing we know is that they have information that the public doesn't know (or didn't know, the 'thymo' texts between the players are an example).
What does that tell you? That tells me ASADA has enough to bury them. Why would they be desperate to omit evidence otherwise? It seems that they've switched from "we don't know what the players took, but it wasn't anything banned" to "they took the good thymosin" to "it doesn't matter what they took, your evidence is tainted with corruption and is unreliable".
I'll say this now: the entire thing is a formality now, just like it was with Middleton. I am expecting player bans of anything between 1-2 years. All this talk of contingencies by the AFL, Essendon's lack of Friday night matches, their recruitment... connect the dots. They are preparing for a season's worth of suspensions.
I agree with you 100%. However, that does still mean they most likely were injected by Dank with TB4. You can get a 50% reduction in penalty for unintentional PED administration though, if ASADA can prove that Dank did in fact do this to them, to a level of comfortable satisfaction.
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Are you suggesting that you would like to meet in person to discuss Asada's evidence?.
That you will then in someway provide the appropriate evidence of Essendons innocence and that I will be so terrified by the information you have divulged,that I will then wish to run home to my mummy?.
Firstly,I doubt you know anything,as your grammar and intellect lack any formal education at any reasonable level beyond yr 8,and that's being generous.
Secondly,I think you were actually physically threatening posters on here,which is even more pathetic than your lack of education,but very representational of this.
Thirdly,many/most here would live in a house that we owned ourselves or paid for without the assistance of mummy.
Meaning,running home would put you at a home that didn't contain mummy,unless it was the mother of our own children!.
PS. Change your team to Essendon.
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