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I don't totally agree, if to the the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" you answered no then you have answered correctly and couldn't be charged as the answer no does not necessarily equate to the fact that you still may be beating your wife, it could just as easily mean you cant stop something you haven't started.
I would suggest that saying "Since when has beating your wife been a crime" would not be the best way to answer the so called loaded question.
You know what I would have answered if I was Dank and hadn't used TB4 at Essendon?
"Sorry Nick, I never used TB4 at Essendon"
What was the big effort that was done the year before?IMO, Dank knew he was referring to Tb4, I'm just not convinced by the whole story particularly the caught out that it was banned. Not after the so called big effort to in the cover up when he discovered it was banned a year before.
The whole backdating receipts supposedly when Dank discovered Tb4 was banned woking at EssendonWhat was the big effort that was done the year before?
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• He did not trust anything sent from China. David Kenley made a similar comment.
Of course David Kenley is the Calzada CEO.
He once stated:
"It was strange because while we knew that AOD helped with weight loss, there was no evidence at all that it stimulated muscle growth," he says.
Kenley was also contacted by the government Australian Sports Drug Testing Laboratory, which was running its own inquiries into AOD. "Bodybuilders had made it clear to us that they were using it to remove stubborn fat pockets from around their six packs. The drug lab agreed with me that AOD wasn't performance enhancing."
In 2011, Kenley got a tip-off. "I was told the Manly Sea Eagles were using AOD. And I was told that the man I needed to speak to was a sports scientist called Stephen Dank." Kenley contacted Dank and arranged a meeting. "I wanted to know more about his thoughts on the potential for the drug's use in sportsmen."
Dank, who was then working with NRL clubs to improve player health and performance, never confirmed the drug was being used at Manly, but he told Kenley of his belief that AOD could help injured players heal faster.
That last quote from Kenley is interesting. Some have put a lot of weight on an SMS or email where Dank is asking Alavi to mix thymosin and AOD, and they think Dank must be talking about TB4 because of the healing properties he references, but in fact, he credited AOD with those properties, so that SMS/email is evidence of nothing on its own.
Show me one other occasion where "do you still beat your wife" has been used as a comparison to loaded. leading questions?
Yes, he should have began by asking Dank what he used at EFC, rather than starting from the presumption that something specific was used.
And where do you think he got the information from that suggested that Dank was using TB4? Did he just take a wild guess and got it right/wrong?
And where do you think he got the information from that suggested that Dank was using TB4? Did he just take a wild guess and got it right/wrong?
Didn't the trials show that AOD was no different to placebo re weight loss?
Dank was scamming the club. Dumb s**t. Evidenced by warfarin use.I'm sure that's right, but Dank thought it had extraordinary powers.
Too many conspiracys for one post Bruce. Strategically plonking SMS's appears to be what Bruce has written in his latest offering. How long do you think it took him to type one handed?ALLEGED CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
2 August 2011:
Dank forwarded a text message to Robinson stating: Hi mate. Just in consult for a shoulder reconstruction. This case will be of interest to you. We are utilizing Thymosin post surgically for one shoulder but prophylactically for the other. Thymosin is so effective in soft tissue maintenance.
BF's Comment:
• This had nothing to do with Essendon. Robinson didn’t start at Essendon until 25 August 2011 and Dank started on 4 November 2011;
• This text message was not included in the ASADA Interim Report, which begs the question, where did the AFL obtain it?
• Dank believes this text was acquired illegally from sealed documents held by the Australian Crime Commission;
• This is irrelevant with respect to proving Thymosin Beta-4 was used at Essendon.
This is interesting. From very early on we became accustomed to the AFL leaking various emails and SMSs which were quite suggestive of foul play, including this one.
But as has long been suspected, strategically plonking SMSs out of context, even out of chronological order, even disparately, might be great for selling newspapers, but is unlikely to fly before the tribunal.
So not only was this particular SMS before both Robinson and Dank were employed by EFC, but who knows who the hell it is referring to. And for all we know, it might non sports professional.
As to the question: where did the AFL get it from? They probably got it straight from Robinson and were only too happy to use it for PR purposes, knowing full well that it had absolutely nothing to do with EFC.
Do you think Robinson might have known he was a strong chance to get the EFC job and said I can get Dank on board for the supps? What date was he first interviewed for the EFC job? I would be confident to say the selection process wasn't completed in two days23 August 2011:
Dank sent Robinson a reminder by SMS: ‘Don’t forget how important Thymosin is. This is going to be our vital cornerstone next year. It is the ultimate assembly regulatory protein and biological modifier.Same deal as before. Robinson wasn't appointed by EFC until 25 August 2011.
ASADA then stated Thymosin Beta 4 is a WADA prohibited S2 Category peptide. At the time Dank sent the SMS, Robinson had been selected for the role of High Performance Coach at Essendon Football Club.
Dank was flown down to Melbourne on 28 September 2011 for an interview as a sports scientist.
So who or which club is Dank referring to when talking to Robinson prior to 25 August 2011.
Who was Robinson employed by prior to 25 August 2011?
You lost me right at the bolded.BF makes the point that even at this stage (just prior to Robinson being employed by EFC, and during their employment with EFC, they continued to have their own private clients.
Do you think Robinson might have known he was a strong chance to get the EFC job and said I can get Dank on board for the supps? What date was he first interviewed for the EFC job? I would be confident to say the selection process wasn't completed in two days
No I asked when was Robinson first interviewed?BF tells us - Dank was first interviewed for the job at EFC almost two months after the first SMS he sends to Robinson talking about thymosin.
It's pretty clear they are talking about something they are working on right at the minute.
It cannot be relevant to EFC.
No I asked when was Robinson first interviewed?