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Any idea why the players lawyers have an extra week to submit their written case?
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Also i mentioned this a while back i don't agree with removing everyone if players get banned. Innocent people losing their jobs because management at top *'d up is not right.
Wouldn't be surprised the AFL will do as much as they can to make the damage minimal as possible. Ultimately it will come down to the players if they are willing to miss some games.
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A not guilty verdict would open the AFL up to legal proceedings by players/staff for the trauma of the last two years (I HIGHLY doubt this would happen, but it is a chance). It would also open the communication specialists up to legal action as well (doubt this will happen either).
A guilty verdict would also open the AFL (and us) up to legal action. The players will claim that we were negligent in carrying out the program, and that the AFL failed to come in and stop it despite knowing what was happening. Chances of legal action against the AFL and EFC in this case would be very high. A guilty verdict also allows ASADA to appeal a sentence should they deem it light (as can WADA), which ensures this s**t drags on longer. Not just that, you also factor in the TV rights deals, whether we can field a team etc.
There is no "favourable" outcome for the AFL here. We'll have to wait and see what the three judges say
NLM has already signalled he'll go after the AFL if he's found guilty.
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Both sides are playing for all the marbles here. The repercussions for the loser will be multi-faceted.
Surely if players are not guilty the worst that will happen is Asada will appeal. imo i don't think the players would care about suing they'll will be thinking "thank * this finally over". The AFL will probably offer the players some type compensation.
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Wildcard finals entry at Carlton's expense next time they make it. I'm not sure many will still be on the list come 2030, but it'll be worth coming out of retirement for one last tilt.
Quite possibly - it appears he has tried to protect them by taking a ban which wasn't warranted. If players took unlabelled substances without authorisation (not in program) it's their own fault and not Hirds. I hope this is not the case as stated earlier.
I wonder how HQ would feel if 40,000 members wrote and stated they would cancel their memberships demanding a refund and not attend matches. That's a lot of money for them to lose. Gill loves da money.
Haha was about to post the same thing.
Probably Fletcher is the best chance to still be there.
Much is made of Jobe's "Good thymomodulin bad thymosin beta 4" omitted evidence . Didn't NLM say similar, that he knew there was a banned one and the one he was taking was believed not to be banned?
I hope he (and others) go the AFL regardless of the outcome.
Essendon players could boycott NAB Challenge games if AFL backdates anti-doping bans
The hearing into past and present Essendon players has been adjourned. Picture: Alex Coppel
ESSENDON players will refuse to run out for NAB Challenge games unless the AFL guarantees to backdate any anti-doping suspensions to last September.
About 18 players facing charges remain at Essendon — almost half the club’s primary list.
The case against 34 current and former Dons players was adjourned on Thursday by the AFL Anti-Doping tribunal until February 16, when two days of closing submissions will be heard.
BOMBER: LITTLE ‘RAISED PROSPECT OF AXE’
The three-man anti-doping tribunal panel, chaired by former County Court judge David Jones, is then expected to take up to a month to deliberate on the case — meaning players will likely be in limbo when their NAB Challenge campaign is due to get under way against St Kilda in Morwell on March 7.
The tribunal news came on the eve of the verdict in Essendon coach James Hird’s Federal Court case against ASADA.
Hird, appealing an earlier Federal Court ruling, is hoping to have ASADA’s joint investigation with the AFL into his club ruled unlawful.
The Herald Sun revealed this week Essendon would lobby the AFL to have the players’ provisional suspensions lifted for the NAB Challenge.
Essendon’s season proper begins on Saturday April 4 against Sydney. Picture: George Salpigtidis
But the players will not take the field unless a backdating guarantee is given.
The Bombers last played a premiership match in September.
It is understood evidence from biochemist Shane Charter and compounding chemist Nima Alavi has been ruled admissible by the AFL tribunal this week — but it is expected be given less weight because the pair has refused to appear and could not be cross-examined.
Chairman Jones outlined a timetable for the remainder of the tribunal process, which will see written submissions by ASADA (by February 5); the players’ lawyers (February 12) and the AFL (February 14).
If the tribunal reaches a guilty verdict for any of the players, sanction hearings would then be set.
Essendon chief executive Xavier Campbell told the Herald Sun this week: “Our priority is to ensure that the preparation of our players and planning for the 2015 season is not compromised in any way.
“We anticipate having further discussions with the AFL this week in relation to this matter.
“If the outcome of the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal is still unknown and the players remain provisionally suspended, it is our understanding that the possibility of lifting a provisional suspension is at the discretion of the AFL Commission.”
Any sanctions hearing for current and former Essendon players would be set on the eve of the 2015 season proper. Picture: Colleen Petch
Hird said that if the NAB Challenge wasn’t an option, alternative preparations would be required.
However, the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal process could be derailed at the Federal Court if Hird wins and is granted the relief he seeks.
Key ASADA evidence — including transcripts and recordings of joint interviews with Bombers players — could be ruled inadmissable.
Justice Susan Kenny, who heard the appeal along with Justices Besanko and White, will read the appeal verdict at 2.15pm..
Should Hird fail, the case against the players would not be affected.
Instead, Hird would be left with another large legal bill.
In the appeal hearing last November, Hird’s lawyer, Peter Hanks, QC, told the court ASADA should be ordered to restart its investigation from scratch because information collected in interviews with Essendon players and officials was “infected” by unlawfulness.
ASADA admitted to harnessing the AFL’s powers of compulsion to make players and officials talk. It had no such power of its own.
ASADA countered that co-operation between the government agency and sporting bodies such as the AFL had been contemplated by legislation.
Originally published as Dons threaten to boycott NAB Challenge
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- JANUARY 29, 2015 9:00PM
The hearing into past and present Essendon players has been adjourned. Picture: Alex Coppel
ESSENDON players will refuse to run out for NAB Challenge games unless the AFL guarantees to backdate any anti-doping suspensions to last September.
About 18 players facing charges remain at Essendon — almost half the club’s primary list.
The case against 34 current and former Dons players was adjourned on Thursday by the AFL Anti-Doping tribunal until February 16, when two days of closing submissions will be heard.
BOMBER: LITTLE ‘RAISED PROSPECT OF AXE’
The three-man anti-doping tribunal panel, chaired by former County Court judge David Jones, is then expected to take up to a month to deliberate on the case — meaning players will likely be in limbo when their NAB Challenge campaign is due to get under way against St Kilda in Morwell on March 7.
The tribunal news came on the eve of the verdict in Essendon coach James Hird’s Federal Court case against ASADA.
Hird, appealing an earlier Federal Court ruling, is hoping to have ASADA’s joint investigation with the AFL into his club ruled unlawful.
The Herald Sun revealed this week Essendon would lobby the AFL to have the players’ provisional suspensions lifted for the NAB Challenge.
Essendon’s season proper begins on Saturday April 4 against Sydney. Picture: George Salpigtidis
But the players will not take the field unless a backdating guarantee is given.
The Bombers last played a premiership match in September.
It is understood evidence from biochemist Shane Charter and compounding chemist Nima Alavi has been ruled admissible by the AFL tribunal this week — but it is expected be given less weight because the pair has refused to appear and could not be cross-examined.
Chairman Jones outlined a timetable for the remainder of the tribunal process, which will see written submissions by ASADA (by February 5); the players’ lawyers (February 12) and the AFL (February 14).
If the tribunal reaches a guilty verdict for any of the players, sanction hearings would then be set.
Essendon chief executive Xavier Campbell told the Herald Sun this week: “Our priority is to ensure that the preparation of our players and planning for the 2015 season is not compromised in any way.
“We anticipate having further discussions with the AFL this week in relation to this matter.
“If the outcome of the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal is still unknown and the players remain provisionally suspended, it is our understanding that the possibility of lifting a provisional suspension is at the discretion of the AFL Commission.”
Any sanctions hearing for current and former Essendon players would be set on the eve of the 2015 season proper. Picture: Colleen Petch
Hird said that if the NAB Challenge wasn’t an option, alternative preparations would be required.
However, the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal process could be derailed at the Federal Court if Hird wins and is granted the relief he seeks.
Key ASADA evidence — including transcripts and recordings of joint interviews with Bombers players — could be ruled inadmissable.
Justice Susan Kenny, who heard the appeal along with Justices Besanko and White, will read the appeal verdict at 2.15pm..
Should Hird fail, the case against the players would not be affected.
Instead, Hird would be left with another large legal bill.
In the appeal hearing last November, Hird’s lawyer, Peter Hanks, QC, told the court ASADA should be ordered to restart its investigation from scratch because information collected in interviews with Essendon players and officials was “infected” by unlawfulness.
ASADA admitted to harnessing the AFL’s powers of compulsion to make players and officials talk. It had no such power of its own.
ASADA countered that co-operation between the government agency and sporting bodies such as the AFL had been contemplated by legislation.
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It was removed from the HTB as there are serious implications for the person involved. the information should not be available at this time.
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Is this the same AFL that manipulated an interim report to only show the possible 'poor evidence' of the club to paint them in a bad light for perceived public approval?
Is this the same AFL that took the same manipulated interim report and thrust it into the public eye as the only evidence, to cast a 'Bringing The Game Into Disrepute' judgement against one of the biggest clubs in the league... so they could shake their fist and sidle up against the government - to paint themselves in the greatest of lights as a key global sporting organisation?
is this the same AFL that had a CEO earning millions from running the game. Earning millions in bonuses. Establishing himself in the corporate market for an excellent role after football... that left the game as quickly as he could, interviewing his second in charge and employing him at the drop of a hat within two months?
If it is indeed the same AFL - then let them s**t bricks. Let them s**t ******* bricks.
Let them sweat on a court case that they have no hope in hell to manipulate. Tonight will bring many a sleepless night to current employees - not knowing their fate.Let them wait like the rest of us, until 2.15pm with no leaks, no preferential media, no pre planned statements and no puppetry.
They deserve no better that the average Joe. Hopefully it will be a slap in the face of reality... if nothing else, to get the game back to ownership of the common man rather than running it like a pyramid scheme.
Maybe a breakaway competition by the clubs, for the clubs, is the only way to truly have the fairest of games if the last 2 years are to been seen as a highlight for the AFL and its hierarchy.
I'm confused. Opening submissions, adjournment, and then closing submissions? Where's the beef?
What happens in the interim? If nothing happens, why adjourn? Is the totality of evidence presented in opening and closing submissions, or is something happening between?
(I'm perpetually confused)
What happens in the interim? If nothing happens, why adjourn? Is the totality of evidence presented in opening and closing submissions, or is something happening between?
(I'm perpetually confused)
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Ahhh A.T. still spruking his mate and how he has solid evidence (that he really relayed to ASADA - fair dinks) that will put us under the bus... and be damned if you don't think it's true and that he's ace.
Be damned to hell!!
That byline is an interesting one, smells a little of some kind of a deal, or at least less confidence.
Though the AFL can't guantee that either.
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