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This will matter to them when they're dead.
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The Death Penalty for Chan
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But this is not a John Wayne movie-its actually really happening.
Its more along the lines of lets say for example you have a severe distaste for a particular ethnic part of the world and you travel somewhere and there is a part of the population that is that ethnic background. But then you come back home and tell everyone that the place was flooded with them and how horrible it was with so many there.
Those people unless they have been there themselves have only your "personal experience" to judge by.
Not true. He was actually elected because he campaigned as more of a humanitarian then the other guy. But not caving to international pressure makes not only himself look good but Indonesia as well about not only standing its ground, but taking no quarter in regards to its laws.
Thats your personal opinion and theres nothing wrong with that but don't go attacking another countries justice system because it doesn't line up with your own. Drugs are rampant over there and if it scares away even a few smugglers it potentially saves a lot more lives.
Watching a very bias news network for starters. I wonder if you have the same stance of deliberate killing if these guys successfully smuggled the drugs then those drugs were responsible for someone dying.... That act of smuggling would be just as deliberate as being executed for being caught.
Alot of show and tell but stops any potential issues that you might not have been aware of.....
Oh for god sake.
For starters when did this even remotely get close to a topic of war.
Also keep in mind Indonesia's population of over 252 million people compared to our 23.
They are not as stone age as I have no doubt you think they are.
Very valid point in my opinion. I think people watch these blokes being taken to this island on TV and think it's almost fiction and can't connect with what they must be going through. I know this happens every second of every day all around the world, but two people are about to be killed and it's s**t because it feels preventable. Unlike many other... I'm just gonna say murders.... this one involves years and more recently weeks of anticipation of the inevitable. I imagine they and their families just want it all over and done with.
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No.
He just thinks sitting around waiting to die on someone else's terms is a s**t way to live. However, he has no problem with the executions of drug traffickers. He reckons it would be doing them a favour to shoot them in their sleep than make a ceremony out of it.
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PS Take Richie Blackmore instead.
and they still had the courage to walk on to the plane with their heads high and without fuss...in the end there was no need for this bravado that the Indonesian govt decided to put on display, if this isn't political then I don't know what is, but I do know that "50 more people will die in Indonesia today because of narcotics"...so, putting these two to the sword has achieved sweet fa.
The Indonesian President has stated that the executions won't take place this week...crazy.
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I don't.
The problem with drugs and how it should be tackled should be looked at from the demand side. In our form of 'civilization', there will always be demand for it. It is mostly a problem of poverty, hopelessness, lack of opportunity, disenfranchisement, disconnect and no sense of your place in the world etc. The way our civilization has evolved and continues to, this problem if anything will increase. In Indonesia the divide between rich and poor (and almost everywhere else in the world) is only increasing. Their drug problem will go from 50 a day to more. Solve the inequality, solve the disconnect and the problem gets solved. This will never happen. The system is rigged to ensure this doesn't happen. Trying to solve it from the supply side is so stupid and narrow. It will not solve this issue one bit. Humans are so dumb.
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I don't know if we still do it, but up until 12 years ago, we were training Indonesian military officers here.
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Prisoner exchange suggestions from Bishop have been declined by Indonesia.
You do realise in poor countries the divide between rich and poor is largely due to this franchising of drugs you speak of.
Im curious as to how its narrow to attack the supply... Starts at the top and then affects the process below.... Start from the bottom and the king pins just adjust their network accordingly.
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What drugs was it heroin I assume?
Sadly ironic. given 70% of the worlds herion comes from Afghanistan.
And was stopped under the Taliban. Only to be regrown under American occupancy.
Further more when one views the history of the. 'War on drugs'
Sadly ironic. given 70% of the worlds herion comes from Afghanistan.
And was stopped under the Taliban. Only to be regrown under American occupancy.
Further more when one views the history of the. 'War on drugs'
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during prohibition the white house was well stocked with bootleg grog ...
But a firing squad? it's so barbaric.
I assume that's what you would do if placed in the same predicament? That's after you had s**t yourself and cried like a baby no doubt.
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Its not.
What's barbaric is an electric chair, where the guy doesn't die for hours
And its all done by non medical professionals...
What's barbaric is an electric chair, where the guy doesn't die for hours
And its all done by non medical professionals...
Yeah the chair is pretty full on.
I don't know if you've seen it but you should watch a documentary called 'Death Row - The Final 24 Hours' it's on youtube gives a really good insight of how the US justice system carry out their death penalties.
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A stupid and irrelevant statement.
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OK they all die within 15 second
Regardless of the fact the executioners have not been to medical school...
Edit: I may have been getting my electric chairs and lethel injections mixed up.
However in both cases I've heard death row inmates can stay alive for a remarkably long time
Regardless of the fact the executioners have not been to medical school...
Edit: I may have been getting my electric chairs and lethel injections mixed up.
However in both cases I've heard death row inmates can stay alive for a remarkably long time
Not a real smart move on the part of the Indonesians but in keeping with their hypocritical stance on capital punishment. If these two guys do get executed the Indonesian Government can expect to get little support if any when they appeal for clemency for their own citizens who facing the death penalty in other countries around the world.
So if the executioners had been to medical school the executed would die in less than 15 seconds?
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