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From the Niall article:



This seems absolutely unbelievable to me. So they issue a SCN and then IN for TB4 use, but then try and change tack midstream at the tribunal and argue it was TB500?

Does anyone realise just how much of a fishing exercise this portrays the issuing of those INs as in the first place?

They'd issued the damned INs and apparently not even been sure. What exactly were they doing?
These type of revelations are glossed over while the club's governance failings are repeated ad nauseum.

It's not enough to have not taken an illegal / banned substance, you also need to make sure you can make it rain against the tactics of the so called 'protectors of clean athletes'.
 
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Essendon ASADA verdict: Mum’s intuition saves son from deal
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport...es-son-from-deal/story-fnca0u4y-1227288429194

When the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority was desperate for a scalp and the AFL was searching for a way out of its protracted drugs scandal, it took a mother’s instinct to prevent her son from making a terrible mistake.

Stewart Crameri, a former Essendon forward traded to the Western Bulldogs after the Bombers’ ill-fated 2012 season, may well have pleaded guilty and fractured the resolve of former teammates accused of doping had his mother not intervened.
Crameri does not believe he took a banned substance as part of Stephen Dank’s 2012 regime yet the AFL’s speculative offer in January this year of an eight-week ban for a guilty plea was sorely tempting.

Rather than face the uncertain outcome of an AFL tribunal hearing, the talented forward could guarantee his availability for his new club for most of the season.

To understand what was on offer, he need only consider NRL players already back in training after serving token bans.


Crameri’s lawyer, Patrick Gordon, the son of Bulldogs president Peter Gordon, was worried about the strength of the case against his client. Crameri’s father Bernie just wanted the saga to end for his son.

Mandy Crameri, a 59-year-old former schoolteacher from the Victorian country town of Maryborough, was having none of it. “We talked about it as a family,” she told The Australian. “I kept coming back and saying no, you can’t take a deal, you have got to keep pushing through. If you take a deal you will pull everyone down with you. You have got to keep hoping that the truth will eventually come out.”

When ASADA first offered a six-month deal to all 34 players in June last year, it paid special attention to Crameri in the belief he would be more likely to cop a plea than footballers still playing at Essendon. ASADA expected Crameri to jump at the offer of a six-week ban and for others to quickly follow. It didn’t believe it would ever have to prove its case at a hearing.

What ASADA didn’t realise is Mrs Crameri held no fear for what its investigation had found. In February 2012, when Essendon players were asked to sign consent forms to be administered with four substances including the Thymosin peptide at the centre of the doping case, Crameri took the form home to his mum. Together, mother and son researched the various substances and checked their status on the WADA website. Mrs Crameri says their belief then and now is the Thymosin administered by Mr Dank was a natural supplement also known as Thymomodulin. “I am a great believer in eating properly and doing the right thing by your body,” she said. “I couldn’t see there was any problem with it.”

Mrs Crameri believes ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt’s rhetoric since the collapse of the doping case continues to distort what happened at Essendon. Mr McDevitt has accused Essendon of treating its players like pincushions by administering “hundreds if not thousands of injections”.

Mrs Crameri said injections were only a problem if they contained banned drugs.
 

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Essendon ASADA verdict: Mum’s intuition saves son from deal
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport...es-son-from-deal/story-fnca0u4y-1227288429194

When the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority was desperate for a scalp and the AFL was searching for a way out of its protracted drugs scandal, it took a mother’s instinct to prevent her son from making a terrible mistake.

Stewart Crameri, a former Essendon forward traded to the Western Bulldogs after the Bombers’ ill-fated 2012 season, may well have pleaded guilty and fractured the resolve of former teammates accused of doping had his mother not intervened.

What a pity she didn't ring Eddie instead of "the actress now known as Sarah".
 
Essendon ASADA verdict: Mum’s intuition saves son from deal
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport...es-son-from-deal/story-fnca0u4y-1227288429194

When the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority was desperate for a scalp and the AFL was searching for a way out of its protracted drugs scandal, it took a mother’s instinct to prevent her son from making a terrible mistake.

Stewart Crameri, a former Essendon forward traded to the Western Bulldogs after the Bombers’ ill-fated 2012 season, may well have pleaded guilty and fractured the resolve of former teammates accused of doping had his mother not intervened.

But the HTB google experts said...
 

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Disgusting ASADA.
Ever since that lip-less * McDipshit showed up, the focus of the investigation was just to bully, bluff and manipulate players into taking deals, knowing that he did not have any real evidence of wrong doing to form an actual case.

And even now, after having his bluff called and his arse handed to him, he doesn't have the decency or professionalism to shut up, but is firing petty shots and quoting that sensationalist Ziggy report, like some communication specialist.
 

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From the Niall article:



This seems absolutely unbelievable to me. So they issue a SCN and then IN for TB4 use, but then try and change tack midstream at the tribunal and argue it was TB500?

Does anyone realise just how much of a fishing exercise this portrays the issuing of those INs as in the first place?

They'd issued the damned INs and apparently not even been sure. What exactly were they doing?

Wasting tax payers money
 

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Disgusting ASADA.
Ever since that lip-less **** McDipshit showed up, the focus of the investigation was just to bully, bluff and manipulate players into taking deals, knowing that he did not have any real evidence of wrong doing to form an actual case.

And even now, after having his bluff called and his arse handed to him, he doesn't have the decency or professionalism to shut up, but is firing petty shots and quoting that sensationalist Ziggy report, like some communication specialist.

Excellent summary of events. Time McDevitt accepted the jig is up and ****ed off.
 
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McDevitt has outed himself as a HTB foamer.



LOL :D


fmd, so he suspects records were destroyed or removed & then goes on to say -

"McDevitt said that if Dank did actually keep, or have, records of the Essendon supplements program he suspected they would be "chaotic and shambolic"."

but also concedes Dank signed a stat dec stating he has no records. Then this clown is comfortable with threatening the players with 'fresh show cause notices', threaten the 'easy targets'.

Bullyboys got to be bullyboys.
 
Nice work Mrs C.

I am absolutely disgusted with ASADA. If Mcdickhead had any respect he'd resign by end of today. Absolutely disgusting to try and minipulate a young man in this fashion.
 
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I'm getting angry again. Apparently we need to be crucified again for governance issues.
McDense makes sweeping statements on governance when they have no right to go there.
He is 100% certain we took banned substances but doesn't know what was given to the players.
There are forged documents used.
Our players were put through this when no chain of supply can be established. Aarggghhh!!
 
Nice work Mrs C.

I am absolutely disgusted with ASADA. If Mcdickhead had any respect he'd resign by end of today. Absolutely disgusting to try and minipulate a young man in this fashion.
There's something about the vibe of targeting Crameri because he was perceived to be an easy head on the pike which is rather sickening.

And yes, all of this really started in earnest when McDevitt was appointed in the first place.
 

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Disgusting ASADA.
Ever since that lip-less **** McDipshit showed up, the focus of the investigation was just to bully, bluff and manipulate players into taking deals, knowing that he did not have any real evidence of wrong doing to form an actual case.

And even now, after having his bluff called and his arse handed to him, he doesn't have the decency or professionalism to shut up, but is firing petty shots and quoting that sensationalist Ziggy report, like some communication specialist.

Brilliant post. "Lipless"........gold. Benny has gone back to his roots as a pig with his strong arm methods. As far as his roadshow mk2 tantrum is concerned, you'd reckon as an ex pig he'd be used to judges shafting him after he's done the hard yards hahaha EAD Benny boy and may it be one of uncomfortable girth and minimal hygiene.
 

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These are the real people we have need to hear from all along.

EFC needs to get on the front foot either now or as soon as ASADA cans their appeal and just start some positive press like this again.
Mrs Cram shows that the players and their families thought about this programme, considered it safe and acceptable and were not just blind guinea pig pin-cushions, like some muck journalists infer.

That article alone throws so much water over so many of the points made by the hysterical media.
 

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There's something about the vibe of targeting Crameri because he was perceived to be an easy head on the pike which is rather sickening.

And yes, all of this really started in earnest when McDevitt was appointed in the first place.

His experience in the federal police and the crime commission seems to lead to treating athletes and support staff like terrorists or drug traffickers. Target the mules and weak ones, get them to rollover on their bosses and build a case etc. That approach doesn't work when you're dealing with a group of good people who genuinely don't believe they've done anything wrong though, just makes you look like a ****wit.
 
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anyone feel warm and fuzzy knowing ASADA are keeping our sports clean?

f* k me.... what a schmozzle. The players should be gunning hard for compensation from ASADA; although just like Hal Hunter how do you quantify loss of earnings (none) or psychological damage?

anyone know of govt agencies getting sued for this kind of gross mistreatment?
 
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Essendon ASADA verdict: Mum’s intuition saves son from deal
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport...es-son-from-deal/story-fnca0u4y-1227288429194

When the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority was desperate for a scalp and the AFL was searching for a way out of its protracted drugs scandal, it took a mother’s instinct to prevent her son from making a terrible mistake.

Stewart Crameri, a former Essendon forward traded to the Western Bulldogs after the Bombers’ ill-fated 2012 season, may well have pleaded guilty and fractured the resolve of former teammates accused of doping had his mother not intervened.
Mandy Crameri : "You tell them to get f***ked!!"
 
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These are the real people we have need to hear from all along.

EFC needs to get on the front foot either now or as soon as ASADA cans their appeal and just start some positive press like this again.
Mrs Cram shows that the players and their families thought about this programme, considered it safe and acceptable and were not just blind guinea pig pin-cushions, like some muck journalists infer.

That article alone throws so much water over so many of the points made by the hysterical media.

I reckon the club is waiting.
 
From the North board - one of the best opposition posts on the topic you'll find...

It requires one of the most robust and deeply entrenched versions of Stockholm Syndrome to float.

Maybe it's the case. I think the litigiousness of the parties involved from here on in will be the guide.
 

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Rapt with the verdict, but does anyone think WADA will appeal this if ASADA dont? Can't they demand that Charters, Dank & Avil attend a hearing?

I get the feeling WADA will be happy to see the end of this. They have commented in the past that the length of the process was unacceptable and needs to be reviewed, so I can't see them lengthening it further. They have been tarnished by association. Coupled with the fact that AFL is a domestic competition that would not normally fall in the sites or concerns of WADA, as they have specific national arms to deal with these sports. Every piece of correspondence we saw from Dank to WADA, basically stated "check that with ASADA".
 
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