Food/Supplements Diet Diet, Supplements and Enhancers - Part III

[chargers 09]

Give me 1 good reason v hardwork and discipline

Pardon me? I wasn't considering investing in them for the record, just heard some older blokes at work talking about it. Was a mere query.

 

[charcolechaddy]

Give me 1 good reason v hardwork and discipline

How old are you?

 

[saj_21]

Anyone here have any experience with test boosters?

Depends on a few things; age, diet (calorie deficit or surplus) when dieting and in constant deficit your sex hormones drop, its an evolutionary response. (and i'm awar sex drive is directly linked to hormone levels) Also genetic make up, as well have different levels of natural test. I'd say like fat burners the stuff you buy over the counter will only make a very marginal difference.

Give me 1 good reason v hardwork and discipline

Some people natural have low levels of test no matter how much hard work they put in. Also as i said above re dieting.

 

[Training Mad]

Has anyone used bulk nutrients Earth Protein?

 

[VelvetSledge]

Has anyone used bulk nutrients Earth Protein?

Bog average. Really nothing fantastic at all.

 

[bkozican]

Does anybody know about pre workout going brown?

Is it still good to use ?

 

[VelvetSledge]

Does anybody know about pre workout going brown?

Is it still good to use ?

It's fine. Haven't had a problem with it. Might just be oxidization.

 

[Ess_don]

Does anybody know about pre workout going brown?

Is it still good to use ?

Yep bought a tub of Assault online and when I opened it, it was set rock hard and brown in colour. Seal wasnt broken and wasnt expired or anything and was assured its still fine to use, didnt like it coz I basically had to get the hammer and chisel out everytime I wanted a scoop but still did its job.

 

[Shupe]

Yep bought a tub of Assault online and when I opened it, it was set rock hard and brown in colour. Seal wasnt broken and wasnt expired or anything and was assured its still fine to use, didnt like it coz I basically had to get the hammer and chisel out everytime I wanted a scoop but still did its job.

My housemate uses Assault and this exact thing happened to him. You're not wrong, it is rock hard!

 

[showdownhero]

Yep bought a tub of Assault online and when I opened it, it was set rock hard and brown in colour. Seal wasnt broken and wasnt expired or anything and was assured its still fine to use, didnt like it coz I basically had to get the hammer and chisel out everytime I wanted a scoop but still did its job.

My housemate uses Assault and this exact thing happened to him. You're not wrong, it is rock hard!

Happened to a tub of The One (original formula), frustrating but no effect on taste or effectiveness.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Happened to a tub of The One (original formula), frustrating but no effect on taste or effectiveness.

Effectiveness? Pre work out makes no scientific sense

 

[showdownhero]

Effectiveness? Pre work out makes no scientific sense

That's total rubbish

 

[blue gunslinger]

That's total rubbish

Enlighten me
Having protein amino acids there ready for repairing micro tears
Bollocks
Otherwise just have an espresso and go do the hard yards
If you think pre work out makes you MASSIVE perhaps the number of dumb bells you lift is greater than your IQ

 

[blue gunslinger]

That's total rubbish

And as a a warning I am in the medical profession and in the top 10% of world ironman so if you want a debate I know my stuff

 

[blue gunslinger]

I had a girl on the weekend come and ask for help for her first bikini contest
Instead of listening to me she followed the advice of her expert trainer
She ended up in hospital with kidney failure
So a 23 year old girl now for the rest of her life has compromised kidney function
But she has one hell of a great tan. Neck down

 

[blue gunslinger]

Oh

That's total rubbish

I should have added pre work out is used in conjunction often with programs like shredding etc
Again no science behind it but if you want the results of cheating go ahead
Otherwise have a cup of concrete and go train

 

[showdownhero]

Enlighten me
Having protein amino acids there ready for repairing micro tears
Bollocks
Otherwise just have an espresso and go do the hard yards
If you think pre work out makes you MASSIVE perhaps the number of dumb bells you lift is greater than your IQ

And as a a warning I am in the medical profession and in the top 10% of world ironman so if you want a debate I know my stuff

Oh

I should have added pre work out is used in conjunction often with programs like shredding etc
Again no science behind it but if you want the results of cheating go ahead
Otherwise have a cup of concrete and go train

Hey buddy just for future reference you can have a discussion with someone without resorting to flaming and gloating.

Nevertheless here we go. Some scientific evidence showing the benefits of common ingredients in pre-workouts

Creatine

After thoroughly examining the effects of creatine and the literature surrounding it, there appears to be conclusive evidence that creatine supplementation has a significant positive effect on human performance. These improvements from creatine supplementation are seen through increased lean muscle mass, increased strength and power, improvements in speed and single effort sprint performances, as well as anaerobic endurance. It also appears that, creatine when combined with either beta-alanine or HMB has the greatest positive impact on markers of physiological performance

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3. Kreider RB. Dietary supplements and the promotion of muscle growth with resistance exercise. Sports Med. 1999; 27:97-110.

4. Izquierdo M, Ibanez J, Gonzalez-Badillo JJ, Gorostiaga EM. Effects of creatine supplementation on muscle power, endurance, and sprint performance. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2002 Feb; 34: 332-43.

5. Zoeller RF, Stout JR, O'kroy JA, Torok DJ, Mielke M. Effects of 28 days of beta-alanine and creatine monohydrate supplementation on aerobic power, ventilatory and lactate thresholds, and time to exhaustion. Amino Acids. 2006 Sep 5.

6. Kilduff LP, Vidakovic P, Cooney G, Twycross-Lewis R, Amuna P, Parker M, Paul L, Pitsiladis YP. Effects of creatine on isometric bench-press performance in resistance-trained humans. Med Sci Sports Exercise. 2002 Jul; 34:1176-83.

7. Preen D, Dawson B, Goodman C, Lawrence S, Beilby J, Ching S. Effect of creatine loading on long-term sprint exercise performance and metabolism. Med Sci Sports Exercise. 2001 May; 33: 814-21.

8. Peeters M, Brian, Lantz D, Christopher, And Mayhew L, Jerry. Effect of Oral Creatine Monohydrate and Creatine Phosphate Supplementation on Maximal Strength Indices, Body Composition, and Blood Pressure. The Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research: 1999. Vol. 13, No. 1, pp. 3-9.

9. YeanSub L, Jon. The Effects of Creatine Supplementation on Body Composition, Muscular Strength and Power. United States Sports Academy, The Sports Journal, 2000.

10. Terjung Ronald, Clarkson, Priscilla, Eichner E, Randy, Greenhaff L, Paul, Hespel J, Peter. The physiological and health effects of oral creatine supplementation. Journal of the Amercian College of Sports Medicine. Vol. 32, No. 3, pp. 706-717, 2000.

11. Rawson S, Eric, Volek S, Jeff. Effects of Creatine Supplementation and Resistance Training on Muscle Strength and Weightlifting Performance. The Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research: 2003. Vol. 17, No. 4, pp. 822-831.

12. Flanagan P, Eamonn. Creatine Supplementation: Implications for the Competitive Weightlifter. Strength and Conditioning Journal: 2007. Vol. 29, No. 2, pp. 60-66.

AAKG (Nitric Oxide)

Even though nitric oxide is a relatively new supplement in the industry, it has already received positive feedback from several scientific studies. Nitric oxide (AAKG) offers increased levels of strength, increased levels of anabolic hormones, enhanced blood flow to the working muscles, and enhanced immune function. Although there is less evidence to substantiate a valid argument for increasing muscle hypertrophy through AAKG supplementation, by its ability to increase strength and optimize hormonal production, muscle hypertrophy may very well be an indirect side effect.

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17. Manninen, H. Supplement Performance: Nitric Oxide Boosters. Cutting-Edge Data from ISSN Conference Proceeding. 2005.

18. Baechle, T., Earle, R., Essentials of Strength Training and Conditioning. National Strength and Conditioning Association. 2000.

19. Elam RP, Hardin DH, Sutton RA, Hagen L. Effects of arginine and ornithine on strength, lean body mass and urinary hydroxyproline in adult males. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 1989 Mar; 29(1): 52-56.

20. Friedl R, Moeslinger T, Kopp B, Spieckermann PG. Stimulation of nitric oxide synthesis by the aqueous extract of Panax ginseng root in RAW 264.7 cells. Br J Pharmacol. 2001 Dec; 134(8): 1663-70.

21. Nagaya N, Uematsu M, Oya H, Sato N, et al. Short-term oral administration of L-arginine improves hemodynamics and exercise capacity in patients with precapillary pulmonary hypertension. Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 2001; 163: 887-891.

82. Suminski RR, Robertson RJ, Goss FL, Arslanian S, Kang J, DaSilva S, Utter AC, Metz KF. Acute effect of amino acid ingestion and resistance exercise on plasma growth hormone concentration in young men. Int J Sport Nutr. 1997 Mar; 7(1): 48-60.

Beta Alanine

From the data available to date, it can be concluded that β-alanine supplementation elicits a significant ergogenic effect on high-intensity exercise, particularly in exercise capacity tests and measures, and where the exercise lasts between 1 and 4 min.

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HMB

All in all, athletes looking to increase both muscular hypertrophy and strength while avoiding overtraining and delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS) should seriously consider supplementing with HMB. Individuals looking to lose body fat can also take advantage of the results from HMB. It is quite clear from scientific research that HMB is undoubtedly a performance enhancing supplement that should be considered by most high performance athletes.

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[Brad Goodman]

He's definitely a gunslinger!

 

[saj_21]

I had a girl on the weekend come and ask for help for her first bikini contest
Instead of listening to me she followed the advice of her expert trainer
She ended up in hospital with kidney failure
So a 23 year old girl now for the rest of her life has compromised kidney function
But she has one hell of a great tan. Neck down

What the hell happened? Can't believe some of the clowns out there and the bozos that listen to their advice.

As for pre work outs, i would say they aren't a complete waste of time but would be on the bottom of the list for "essential" supplements.

 

[Dugg]

What the hell happened? Can't believe some of the clowns out there and the bozos that listen to their advice.

As for pre work outs, i would say they aren't a complete waste of time but would be on the bottom of the list for "essential" supplements.

Essential for those mentally weak, myself included. Gives me the kick I need to get into gear at 4am.

 

[saj_21]

Essential for those mentally weak, myself included. Gives me the kick I need to get into gear at 4am.

haha fair enough, i did say "essential" because i could see if i didn't use the apostrophes someone would say something about supplements not being essential.

I use pre work outs to give me a little boost and mostly to flavor my bulk nutrients unflavored aminos which taste horrible on their own.

 

[showdownhero]

And as a a warning I am in the medical profession and in the top 10% of world ironman so if you want a debate I know my stuff

silence is golden blue gunslinger

 

[Prem87]

A Banana and fresh Watermelon, Carrot + Pineapple juice is my favourite pre workout.

All natural and gives me the boost I need to train longer in the gym.

 

[blue gunslinger]

silence is golden blue gunslinger

sorry champ
Work for a living
Just for your peace of mind the bikini model passed out after her contest didn't place but survived
Want a challenge hero
Pre work out then come out for a dawn 100km ride and 2 hr brick run and see how much your pre work out helps
Silence is your stupidity

 

[blue gunslinger]

Hey buddy just for future reference you can have a discussion with someone without resorting to flaming and gloating.

Nevertheless here we go. Some scientific evidence showing the benefits of common ingredients in pre-workouts

Creatine


AAKG (Nitric Oxide)


Beta Alanine


HMB

And your references are laughable
Dank style