Opinion Mick Malthouse

What is the next move on Mick?

  • Sack him immediately; replacement coach to see out the year.

    Votes: 192 48.9%

  • Let him coach out the year then show him the door.

    Votes: 70 17.8%

  • Sign him now to give coaches and players some direction.

    Votes: 81 20.6%

  • Not sure yet... still too angry to think clearly.

    Votes: 50 12.7%
  • Total voters
    393
  • Poll closed .

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95blues said:
In what way though? Surely they aren't going to axe the coach then all just hand in their own resignations?

I don't really understand all of the inner workings of the club etc, but how can a full cleanout be achieved all in one hit rather than bits and pieces over the next 5 years?
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Had SEN on most morning and most seem to be targeting the board now.
Most here and on other boards have a little more clarity of the way our club goes about its ways.................and we don't like it.

We're on a roll now and we can only hope that we keep rolling until the board comes out and has to state their accountability through all this and not just keep blaming previous administrations, CEO's, coaches and players.

I can feel a vibe and for now I'm happy that some good may actually come out of all this and if not..............maybe I'll find myself another hobby. :)
 
nbaman1 said:
There could easily now be a challenge to this board. For years we've needed something like this.
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I'm not convinced there's any Carlton supporters in Victoria up to the job.
Pretty shallow gene pool.
All mates or relatives with mutual interests.

Our powerful stalwarts look like a slimy bunch of crooks.

Changing the board could be swapping out one self entitled mob of back hand specialists for another.
 
fortynine said:
So you can safely say that today's situation is 15 years in the making.
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I can guarantee it. Like I said, someone very close to the club. Two someones in fact (in unrelated conversations and at different times of the year).

Our culture has been 'me first' for at least 15 years, and its been reflected in our performances, the sacking of three (now approaching four) very different coaches.

From the outside, I haven't seen anything change. The same pack of wealthy 'me first' dickheads (or their relatives) still run the club (or pull the strings from the sidelines), catering to the current players egos, and hiring previous favored sons from a decade ago. The messiah complex is still a massive thing, with players, coaches and even pimply faced kids coming in and feted as the next Savior.

The blokes dont play for each other. They play for themselves. It hasnt changed in nearly two decades. Someone gets taken out on the field, and we almost never fly the flag. We don't block for each other, don't run for each other, nor do we run and create space for each other. We don't tackle or do the 1 percenters. When the heat goes up, we go into self preservation mode. When there is no pressure, players look a million dollars when really they're just a bunch of flat track bullies and down hill skiers.

The players never, ever, ever cop criticism from our administration. When they are put on notice, they fragment and start worrying about 'me first' rather than bonding together and working for one another. When the heat is on, it's me first and they go to s**t. Then the tail starts wagging the dog (we are the absolute worst side at this by a freaking mile) and a coach gets sacked and the whole thing starts again.

I honestly cant see how we can change this culture. To the point that I'm starting to think that we're doomed as a club.
 
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Sacked Ratten who had a attacking game plan. MM comes with a game plan of defensive. We don't have the players for a defensive game plan.

This is MM coaching mistake.
 
HARKER said:
Had SEN on most morning and most seem to be targeting the board now.
Most here and on other boards have a little more clarity of the way our club goes about its ways.................and we don't like it.

We're on a roll now and we can only hope that we keep rolling until the board comes out and has to state their accountability through all this and not just keep blaming previous administrations, CEO's, coaches and players.

I can feel a vibe and for now I'm happy that some good may actually come out of all this and if not..............maybe I'll find myself another hobby. :)
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Yeah fair enough. But I feel we have been targeting the board for about 10yrs now.

It all still needs someone to take action though, that's the bit that I can't see happening.
 
Completely serious question.... Do we have the resources (i.e. business knowledge, etc.) to generate a ticket and go full on Green Bay Packers? We can get rid of the board but if those in the coterie groups, etc. (e.g. Mathieson and co) continue to carry power then it doesn't matter who you replace them with the same old s**t will be the final result.

We need something much more than a changeover of the puppets.

It starts with Mick - hopefully today - but it needs to go further and deeper.

Malifice said:
I honestly cant see how we can change this culture. To the point that I'm starting to think that we're doomed as a club.
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This is why it's time that the real fans and members of the club had their voices heard.
 
ajb72 said:
Ive said for ages that all coaches & players should be on 1 year contracts. Then we wont get the media circus on this player or this coach being sacked or traded.
Probably too hard to implement, but ah well.
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Good luck with that.... any other club all will have to do is dangle a 2+ year line of security to any player/coach and they'll be off.. considering the life-span of a coach and player in the game is short the security of a contract is a big thing and has nothing to do with media circus. Furthermore imagine team management having to juggle player finances continuously and lawyer fees and time trying to re-sign 44 players a year and 6 odd coaches.

With your idea we'd have a list of rejects every year just looking for a place to park and prove themselves till they're either delisted or poached by a rival club offering them a longer contract.
 

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Wickzki said:
It starts with Mick - hopefully today - but it needs to go further and deeper.
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Mate, I'd get on board a ticket to change the board.

Sadly, every time there is one, it's just another relative or close mate of one of those already on it. And those are some seriously cashed up individuals.
 
HARKER said:
Malthouse may have just done the CFC, the biggest favour it could have asked for.
The spotlight has finally turned onto the board by almost one and all.............they won't get away easy this time around.

I've never been a fan of all of Malthouse's ways but he may just walk away as the short term villain......and the long term hero.
If the heat really comes on the way it should, the real CFC may yet come out of this better than when we walked into this mess..........it's possible.
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Slats said:
5 minutes after Mark LoGiudice sacks Malthouse, LoGiudice, Trigg & the rest of the Carlton board should all resign. The rot starts at the top and this board is rotten to the core.
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I am not understanding the basis for these dumps on the Board. Could someone say why the current Board is to blame for what precisely? The poor buggers inherited MM and have to do something, don't they?
 
Windhover said:
Well, you can't achieve a premiership so it would be unlikely the coach will be sacked because we don't win one in 2016.

If the coach is any good there should be at least some vaguely objective criteria by which to judge him as coach. If, for example we replace Dick and Tutt and Jones and Whiley at the end of the year with yet more proven players of poor quality AND the coach can't do anything with them then we have only taken one year to find out the coach is no bloody good. Which is a big improvement on taking 3 years to find out the coach is no bloody good.
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I don't have an issue with your idea in theory, but the simple commercial reality is that no coach would want to come to Carlton on a one year deal. They'd want some security that they'd be able to build a list and get the players playing to their game style.
 
Broadside said:
what happened at the Green Bay Packers?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers#Community_ownership

The Packers are owned by the local community, essentially their fans own the team. They have legitimate power in getting what is best for the team done (rather than say a Mathieson having such a huge say). The main purpose was to keep the team in Green Bay (there is only 600,000 people in the area and the smallest TV market). It's worked wonders for them as a team.
 
I really hope MM sheds some light on the CFC and completely drags the Club through the mud if that's how it unfolds. I think he's capable as well. I back him to be honest.

I suspect many of the supporters will struggle with transparency should MM utilise the media to reveal things about the running of the Club and he will come under personal attack, despite calls for wanting the board sacked etc.

Feel completely sorry for man, but this could be one great way to end his tenure! Come on MM!

FWIW, as it stands, I'm not completely hating on MLG .... I reserve the right to change my opinion on him though... I'm just desperate for some insight on how decisions are made, who the influential folk are etc.
 
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Malifice said:
Sadly, every time there is one, it's just another relative or close mate of one of those already on it. And those are some seriously cashed up individuals.
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That's exactly where I'm going with this. If there was ever a time that the power of a multitude of voices had an opportunity to create real change at the club then surely it is now.

When they got rid of Elliott there was a sense among the less knowledgeable fans that the primary problem was gone. But now I think that there is an understanding that you can get rid of Malthouse, you could get rid of a Trigg, etc. and the problem remains. Someone may have an opportunity to create change and beat the money this time.
 
Malifice said:
I can guarantee it. Like I said, someone very close to the club. Two someones in fact (in unrelated conversations and at different times of the year).

Our culture has been 'me first' for at least 15 years, and its been reflected in our performances, the sacking of three (now approaching four) very different coaches.

From the outside, I haven't seen anything change. The same pack of wealthy 'me first' dickheads (or their relatives) still run the club (or pull the strings from the sidelines), catering to the current players egos, and hiring previous favored sons from a decade ago. The messiah complex is still a massive thing, with players, coaches and even pimply faced kids coming in and feted as the next Savior.

The blokes dont play for each other. They play for themselves. It hasn't changed in nearly two decades. Someone gets taken out on the field, and we almost never fly the flag. We don't block for each other, don't run for each other, nor do we run and create space for each other. We don't tackle or do the 1 percenters. When the heat goes up, we go into self preservation mode. When there is no pressure, players look a million dollars when really they're just a bunch of flat track bullies and down hill skiers.

The players never, ever, ever cop criticism from our administration. When they are put on notice, they fragment and start worrying about 'me first' rather than bonding together and working for one another. When the heat is on, it's me first and they go to s**t.

I honestly cant see how we can change this culture. To the point that I'm starting to think that we're doomed as a club.
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The culture is already being changed.
Malthouse's removal is just one part of the obvious reality.
Cheer up - things can only and will only get better from here.
 
Think we can all agree that Pagan, Ratten and now Mick have been treated appallingly by The board/admin. Until meaningful change happens at board level, this vicious cycle will continue.
 
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