It will get better, the doomsayers are having their moment, but I guarantee, we'll be back.
The great thing about this fabulous game is that it can change very quickly.
We stick tight Esky, that's what we do.
Our next Coach - Who do you want?
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It will get better, the doomsayers are having their moment, but I guarantee, we'll be back.
The great thing about this fabulous game is that it can change very quickly.
We stick tight Esky, that's what we do.
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See I think the Board has already made a massive error - this isn't just about the head coach. They need to take the rest of the year to do a major assessment of the whole football department and benchmark it against other clubs and other sports. Now I am no expert at all, but I have looked at different programs in different sports and in particular in the US.
I think the future of a football department (and none of this is original) should be:
1. CEO in charge of the commercial side of the club, sponsors, marketing, membership, finances etc. Nothing football related. Reports to Board and has appropriate teams under him.
2. Director of Football Operations - in charge of the football department. Divide the football department into list management (which has two subcategories - recruitment and retention), tier one coaching (head coach and assistants for main players) and tier two coaching (for northern blues and players on cusp of senior selection). Then also have a fitness specialist and a nutrition specialist who sits across both coaching groups. The director of football operations reports to the Board. This person is ideally a former senior coach with premiership success or a senior football department administrator.
3. List management then has a head of list management who handles both recruitment and retention. Under him is a series of recruiters for different regions (similar to what we have now). Those recruiters create a data base of players in their specialty areas (some are under 18s and then have people focused on mature age). Every month the team meets to put together a list of 200 odd players the club is actively following and in contact with. As we get closer to the draft this list shrinks to 30-40. The list manager has the final call on contracts for existing players and also on who will be taken at each draft pick. The list manager reports to and works with the director of football operations. Each recruiter is asked to submit a list ranking the players for recruitment each year and this is given independently to the President of the Club. This list is reviewed every 2-3 years to identify who has the best strike rate. Adjust and recruit for the team accordingly.
4. Tier 1 coach is surrounded by three senior assistants - defence, forward and mids. A general training session involves time together as a whole team working on tactics and game plan and then sessions split into specific drills/plans for each particular area of the ground. Dedicated time each session is put into basic skills (e.g. kicking, tackling etc). The focus of pre season is skills, fitness and tackling/blocking.
5. Tier 2 coach is the Northern Blues coach. He is surrounded by two assistants who focus on skills development. The juniors adopt the same game plan as the seniors but the emphasis is on skills. Each player in their first 3 years at the club is designated a senior mentor (5 year plus player) to help them adjust to the group, learn about culture etc.
6. fitness coach and diet supervisor establish strict guidelines. You don't meet them you don't play seniors regardless of who you are.
7. the coaching staff as a whole develop a "Carlton induction" program done by players over a 2 year period. Every new player to the club must complete this. It includes things like focusing on the history of the club, the culture of the club and on basic football intelligence (e.g. basic game plans, running patterns etc). Each new player is assigned a "fan mentor" to meet with 3-4 times per year - a long term passionate fan who talks to the player about what it means to pull on the jumper. They also get a former great in the same capacity.
8. finally team integration - done by creating 6-7 groups of 6 or so players of various ages/experience. Almost like a form class at school. These guys account to each other for fitness, diet etc and are required to undertake a social activity together every month. Then also organise at least monthly a team bonding function.
Probably not clearly expressed - but my thoughts on how things should be set up.
I think the future of a football department (and none of this is original) should be:
1. CEO in charge of the commercial side of the club, sponsors, marketing, membership, finances etc. Nothing football related. Reports to Board and has appropriate teams under him.
2. Director of Football Operations - in charge of the football department. Divide the football department into list management (which has two subcategories - recruitment and retention), tier one coaching (head coach and assistants for main players) and tier two coaching (for northern blues and players on cusp of senior selection). Then also have a fitness specialist and a nutrition specialist who sits across both coaching groups. The director of football operations reports to the Board. This person is ideally a former senior coach with premiership success or a senior football department administrator.
3. List management then has a head of list management who handles both recruitment and retention. Under him is a series of recruiters for different regions (similar to what we have now). Those recruiters create a data base of players in their specialty areas (some are under 18s and then have people focused on mature age). Every month the team meets to put together a list of 200 odd players the club is actively following and in contact with. As we get closer to the draft this list shrinks to 30-40. The list manager has the final call on contracts for existing players and also on who will be taken at each draft pick. The list manager reports to and works with the director of football operations. Each recruiter is asked to submit a list ranking the players for recruitment each year and this is given independently to the President of the Club. This list is reviewed every 2-3 years to identify who has the best strike rate. Adjust and recruit for the team accordingly.
4. Tier 1 coach is surrounded by three senior assistants - defence, forward and mids. A general training session involves time together as a whole team working on tactics and game plan and then sessions split into specific drills/plans for each particular area of the ground. Dedicated time each session is put into basic skills (e.g. kicking, tackling etc). The focus of pre season is skills, fitness and tackling/blocking.
5. Tier 2 coach is the Northern Blues coach. He is surrounded by two assistants who focus on skills development. The juniors adopt the same game plan as the seniors but the emphasis is on skills. Each player in their first 3 years at the club is designated a senior mentor (5 year plus player) to help them adjust to the group, learn about culture etc.
6. fitness coach and diet supervisor establish strict guidelines. You don't meet them you don't play seniors regardless of who you are.
7. the coaching staff as a whole develop a "Carlton induction" program done by players over a 2 year period. Every new player to the club must complete this. It includes things like focusing on the history of the club, the culture of the club and on basic football intelligence (e.g. basic game plans, running patterns etc). Each new player is assigned a "fan mentor" to meet with 3-4 times per year - a long term passionate fan who talks to the player about what it means to pull on the jumper. They also get a former great in the same capacity.
8. finally team integration - done by creating 6-7 groups of 6 or so players of various ages/experience. Almost like a form class at school. These guys account to each other for fitness, diet etc and are required to undertake a social activity together every month. Then also organise at least monthly a team bonding function.
Probably not clearly expressed - but my thoughts on how things should be set up.
Gooddroprob
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Everyone is so, so boring. Get a coach who was actually an exciting, top bloody player in his time. David Rhys-Jones is the man. I'd become a Carlton member if that happens. We're talking about a bloke who coached from a cherry picker!
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I'll reply to myself. I went to my first game in a few years - last Friday's Cats-Blues match - and it was such an insipid game. Devoid of any highlights apart from a Kade Simpson mark and a few clever things from Selwood. This game, which was once so exciting, is becoming a bore. I think that's why I'm locked onto Rhys.
Then piss off and tell it somewhere else.
I reckon it's the most fantastic game in the world.
I was hoping he would tell himself that.......
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Just noticed your avatar. Any relation to Aph?
Gooddroprob
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Calm down, sunshine. I wasn't being abusive, unlike yourself. What can you truly remember about last Friday's game? What was a highlight? Must have been plenty given it's the best game in the world.
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interesting......loved the way he played footy..........
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thylacine60
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I see over 300 votes been posted.......
I like to watch the game from start to finish.
Highlights, that's for short memory people.
You probably got 30 seconds worth.
Come back Ratts!!
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I still firmly believe we'll be best served by bringing in a first time senior coach.
The club is seemingly now committed to a full and comprehensive rebuild and I believe that has to also include the senior coach.
For far too long the entire club has been guilty of failing to embrace the future and that simply has to change. Truth be told, it had to change years ago - but better late than never, I suppose.
Bring in a fresh face which also brings a fresh perspective, philosophy & style. A completely clean slate. Let him learn and develop with the group over the next few years and put the club back on the right track.
Given the above I am somewhat pleased to see that both Worsfold and Thompson have ruled themselves out of contention and I can only hope the powers that be respect that and do not seek to change their minds by digging deep into their pockets.
My preference would be for the club to appoint one of Dew, Bassett or Bolton, but narrowing it down from there is far too difficult for someone who has no idea of their ambitions, strengths, weaknesses etc.
Unfortunately my faith in the club is right now at an all time low, and as such I have no confidence that any of the above will come to fruition. Knowing who we've got in charge at the moment we'll probably reappoint Ratten....
The club is seemingly now committed to a full and comprehensive rebuild and I believe that has to also include the senior coach.
For far too long the entire club has been guilty of failing to embrace the future and that simply has to change. Truth be told, it had to change years ago - but better late than never, I suppose.
Bring in a fresh face which also brings a fresh perspective, philosophy & style. A completely clean slate. Let him learn and develop with the group over the next few years and put the club back on the right track.
Given the above I am somewhat pleased to see that both Worsfold and Thompson have ruled themselves out of contention and I can only hope the powers that be respect that and do not seek to change their minds by digging deep into their pockets.
My preference would be for the club to appoint one of Dew, Bassett or Bolton, but narrowing it down from there is far too difficult for someone who has no idea of their ambitions, strengths, weaknesses etc.
Unfortunately my faith in the club is right now at an all time low, and as such I have no confidence that any of the above will come to fruition. Knowing who we've got in charge at the moment we'll probably reappoint Ratten....
We need a young coach who can really relate to the players and will employ a gameplan that involves running and linking through the middle, like Luke Beverage at the Doggies. Left field selection to most but seems a good fit for the club and the playing list.
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Can we just call him Daffy?
I'd actually welcome Ratten back now that we have Silvagni managing the list.
Ratts' gameplan and coaching was quite good, and he'll have only improved from working with the Hawks, but list management during his tenure was awful. With that aspect out of his control he could be an ideal fit.
Ratts' gameplan and coaching was quite good, and he'll have only improved from working with the Hawks, but list management during his tenure was awful. With that aspect out of his control he could be an ideal fit.
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Ratten with a slightly better side could have taken us to the top four.
Obviously I'd rather the three listed in your post but we could do worse.
Can we get Aker?
We're in the **** anyway for a few years. It would be worth it just to watch him troll the AFL, the media and everyone else in general.
We're in the **** anyway for a few years. It would be worth it just to watch him troll the AFL, the media and everyone else in general.
Ha! Malthouse did that for two and a half years and look where that got us...
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we will have to recruit an assistant (it's probably for the best anyway) because experienced coaches like Worsfold and Bomber Thompson don't want to have a bar of us, and who can blame them. Good luck trying to get Clarkson or Ross Lyon. They'd laugh at us until we fix the off field mess.
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