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Breaking news: Richmond have thrown their hat into the ring at another chance of wowing Adam Treloar to punt road after pulling out of Bennell

Richmond must be desperate if they've resorted to sexually assaulting potential trade targets :confused:
 

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Breaking news: Richmond have thrown their hat into the ring at another chance of wowing Adam Treloar to punt road after pulling out of bennell

Yeah - No One Believes that now mate:rolleyes:
 

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He must have some serious issues then...
Bennell was quoted as saying after he rejected Richmond, Its not me its you, I can not be at a place where there are dumber people than me. What were you thinking exposing me to Dustan Martin so early anyway?
 

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I'm super excited by this trade period, and it's because we seem to have learnt our lesson: you need to give quality to get quality.

It's a lesson Hawthorn learnt back in 2009, and they haven't looked back since. They parted with picks 9, 25, 41 and Mark Williams - their first three picks and an established player - and it netted them Josh Gibson and Shaun Burgoyne. That's one of the biggest trade wins in history, and it wasn't done off the back of speculative trading of low-currency picks and players, it was achieved by a willingness to part with a great deal for established quality.

Off the back of that incredibly successful 2009 period, they've since paid a fair price for more established talent, willingly trading out high draft picks to fill list gaps: David Hale (late 1st rounder), Jack Gunston (1st rounder and swaps of later round picks), Brian Lake (swap of first rounders and a second rounder), Ben McEvoy (1st rounder and Savage) and Jono O'Rourke (1st rounder). That's a lot of first rounders thrown at established talent. Not all have been hits, but when you add up the benefit that Gibson, Burgoyne, Gunston, Lake, Hale and McEvoy have provided to the team it fast becomes apparent that it's been worth it.

In Nathan Buckley's early years as coach, Collingwood went for the low-cost speculative options: Peter Yagmoor, Clinton Young, Quinten Lynch, Jordan Russell, Jesse White, Tony Armstrong and Patrick Karnezis all came into the side for nothing, or next-to-nothing. I think Jesse White cost the most of that group at pick 40-something. And for all that speculation, the net gain has been very limited. White is the best get out of that list, and what he offers is sufficient, but unremarkable.

Thankfully, it seems that our list managers have learnt the lessons set out by the best run team in the comp. Starting with Taylor Adams, we realised that it's okay to trade away quality to receive quality in return. Heath Shaw is a huge loss, but his replacement in Adams fills an immense need in ball-winning and will play for six or seven years longer than Heath. He better fits our age profile, better fits our team ethos, and better fits our salary cap concerns. I'll always love Heath Shaw, but given the lack of discipline he was showing towards the end at the Pies, that trade has been a clear win-win.

Following on from that, we allowed Daisy to walk, again relinquishing a quality player but receiving pick 6 in return. Good business, which looks like working out in the form of Scharenberg. We traded out our AA backmen Heritier Lumumba for Travis Varcoe, a trade which raised a few eyebrows at the time but which has ultimately worked out beautifully, with Varcoe putting in a career best year. If he continues on this trajectory, he could become our Burgoyne. Our hand was forced with Beams, but it again goes to prove just how much can be gained by trading quality - Jack Crisp, Levi Greenwood and Jordan De Goey are all looking like excellent additions.

And this year, we've committed to trading very early draft picks to obtain Adam Treloar, a deal which is incredibly exciting. Despite all the posturing on this board about how little we can get away with giving, he'll be worth it even for the two first rounders which seems to be the worst-case-scenario. This trade just screams Hawthorn - attracting the player first, then showing a willingness to get the job done by offering first round draft picks. The difference is that I think Treloar has the ability to be better than any of the Hawthorn draftees over the years, and that's saying something.

We've been a solid drafting and development team for some time now, but to see the trading side of things coming together now gives me great hope for the future. I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that we look back upon this period and thank God that we were willing to trade away our quality to net ourselves a swathe of premiership players in the form of Treloar, Varcoe, Crisp, Greenwood, De Goey, Scharenberg and Adams, along with whoever else we might attract in the times ahead.

Exciting times. Go Pies.
 

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I'm super excited by this trade period, and it's because we seem to have learnt our lesson: you need to give quality to get quality.

It's a lesson Hawthorn learnt back in 2009, and they haven't looked back since. They parted with picks 9, 25, 41 and Mark Williams - their first three picks and an established player - and it netted them Josh Gibson and Shaun Burgoyne. That's one of the biggest trade wins in history, and it wasn't done off the back of speculative trading of low-currency picks and players, it was achieved by a willingness to part with a great deal for established quality.

Off the back of that incredibly successful 2009 period, they've since paid a fair price for more established talent, willingly trading out high draft picks to fill list gaps: David Hale (late 1st rounder), Jack Gunston (1st rounder and swaps of later round picks), Brian Lake (swap of first rounders and a second rounder), Ben McEvoy (1st rounder and Savage) and Jono O'Rourke (1st rounder). That's a lot of first rounders thrown at established talent. Not all have been hits, but when you add up the benefit that Gibson, Burgoyne, Gunston, Lake, Hale and McEvoy have provided to the team it fast becomes apparent that it's been worth it.

In Nathan Buckley's early years as coach, Collingwood went for the low-cost speculative options: Peter Yagmoor, Clinton Young, Quinten Lynch, Jordan Russell, Jesse White, Tony Armstrong and Patrick Karnezis all came into the side for nothing, or next-to-nothing. I think Jesse White cost the most of that group at pick 40-something. And for all that speculation, the net gain has been very limited. White is the best get out of that list, and what he offers is sufficient, but unremarkable.

Thankfully, it seems that our list managers have learnt the lessons set out by the best run team in the comp. Starting with Taylor Adams, we realised that it's okay to trade away quality to receive quality in return. Heath Shaw is a huge loss, but his replacement in Adams fills an immense need in ball-winning and will play for six or seven years longer than Heath. He better fits our age profile, better fits our team ethos, and better fits our salary cap concerns. I'll always love Heath Shaw, but given the lack of discipline he was showing towards the end at the Pies, that trade has been a clear win-win.

Following on from that, we allowed Daisy to walk, again relinquishing a quality player but receiving pick 6 in return. Good business, which looks like working out in the form of Scharenberg. We traded out our AA backmen Heritier Lumumba for Travis Varcoe, a trade which raised a few eyebrows at the time but which has ultimately worked out beautifully, with Varcoe putting in a career best year. If he continues on this trajectory, he could become our Burgoyne. Our hand was forced with Beams, but it again goes to prove just how much can be gained by trading quality - Jack Crisp, Levi Greenwood and Jordan De Goey are all looking like excellent additions.

And this year, we've committed to trading very early draft picks to obtain Adam Treloar, a deal which is incredibly exciting. Despite all the posturing on this board about how little we can get away with giving, he'll be worth it even for the two first rounders which seems to be the worst-case-scenario. This trade just screams Hawthorn - attracting the player first, then showing a willingness to get the job done by offering first round draft picks. The difference is that I think Treloar has the ability to be better than any of the Hawthorn draftees over the years, and that's saying something.

We've been a solid drafting and development team for some time now, but to see the trading side of things coming together now gives me great hope for the future. I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that we look back upon this period and thank God that we were willing to trade away our quality to net ourselves a swathe of premiership players in the form of Treloar, Varcoe, Crisp, Greenwood, De Goey, Scharenberg and Adams, along with whoever else we might attract in the times ahead.

Exciting times. Go Pies.
Excellent post.

Jesus, now I'm more excited than ever.
 
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Richmond pulls out of Harley Bennell trade race
37 minutes ago
Jay ClarkHerald Sun

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But the Tigers will look elsewhere to help bolster their list on the back of three straight elimination final exits.

Bennell was seen socialising with Martin over the weekend in Melbourne.

Gold Coast has decided to trade Bennell after a string of off-field incidents.
 

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Breaking news: Richmond have thrown their hat into the ring at another chance of wowing Adam Treloar to punt road after pulling out of bennell
Well, Richmond f*** everything up anyways, so they eventually have to pull out don't they. Maybe once the pull out of their own rear end they might win a final!
 

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I'm super excited by this trade period, and it's because we seem to have learnt our lesson: you need to give quality to get quality.

It's a lesson Hawthorn learnt back in 2009, and they haven't looked back since. They parted with picks 9, 25, 41 and Mark Williams - their first three picks and an established player - and it netted them Josh Gibson and Shaun Burgoyne. That's one of the biggest trade wins in history, and it wasn't done off the back of speculative trading of low-currency picks and players, it was achieved by a willingness to part with a great deal for established quality.

Off the back of that incredibly successful 2009 period, they've since paid a fair price for more established talent, willingly trading out high draft picks to fill list gaps: David Hale (late 1st rounder), Jack Gunston (1st rounder and swaps of later round picks), Brian Lake (swap of first rounders and a second rounder), Ben McEvoy (1st rounder and Savage) and Jono O'Rourke (1st rounder). That's a lot of first rounders thrown at established talent. Not all have been hits, but when you add up the benefit that Gibson, Burgoyne, Gunston, Lake, Hale and McEvoy have provided to the team it fast becomes apparent that it's been worth it.

In Nathan Buckley's early years as coach, Collingwood went for the low-cost speculative options: Peter Yagmoor, Clinton Young, Quinten Lynch, Jordan Russell, Jesse White, Tony Armstrong and Patrick Karnezis all came into the side for nothing, or next-to-nothing. I think Jesse White cost the most of that group at pick 40-something. And for all that speculation, the net gain has been very limited. White is the best get out of that list, and what he offers is sufficient, but unremarkable.

Thankfully, it seems that our list managers have learnt the lessons set out by the best run team in the comp. Starting with Taylor Adams, we realised that it's okay to trade away quality to receive quality in return. Heath Shaw is a huge loss, but his replacement in Adams fills an immense need in ball-winning and will play for six or seven years longer than Heath. He better fits our age profile, better fits our team ethos, and better fits our salary cap concerns. I'll always love Heath Shaw, but given the lack of discipline he was showing towards the end at the Pies, that trade has been a clear win-win.

Following on from that, we allowed Daisy to walk, again relinquishing a quality player but receiving pick 6 in return. Good business, which looks like working out in the form of Scharenberg. We traded out our AA backmen Heritier Lumumba for Travis Varcoe, a trade which raised a few eyebrows at the time but which has ultimately worked out beautifully, with Varcoe putting in a career best year. If he continues on this trajectory, he could become our Burgoyne. Our hand was forced with Beams, but it again goes to prove just how much can be gained by trading quality - Jack Crisp, Levi Greenwood and Jordan De Goey are all looking like excellent additions.

And this year, we've committed to trading very early draft picks to obtain Adam Treloar, a deal which is incredibly exciting. Despite all the posturing on this board about how little we can get away with giving, he'll be worth it even for the two first rounders which seems to be the worst-case-scenario. This trade just screams Hawthorn - attracting the player first, then showing a willingness to get the job done by offering first round draft picks. The difference is that I think Treloar has the ability to be better than any of the Hawthorn draftees over the years, and that's saying something.

We've been a solid drafting and development team for some time now, but to see the trading side of things coming together now gives me great hope for the future. I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that we look back upon this period and thank God that we were willing to trade away our quality to net ourselves a swathe of premiership players in the form of Treloar, Varcoe, Crisp, Greenwood, De Goey, Scharenberg and Adams, along with whoever else we might attract in the times ahead.

Exciting times. Go Pies.
I agree with what your saying however Hawthorn have been able to trade out first round picks of the back of building a core unit through the draft ie Roughead franklin hodge Lewis Mitchell. Once they built that foundation they could then give up quality. We have now hopefully built that high end talent base and can now supplement it by targeting specific players. Young lynch etc were never brought in to win a flag but provide experience,set a standard and allow the young kids to be blooded when ready as opposed to throw them in early. Let's just hope it pays off like it has for the Hawks.
 
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