List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[Punter!]

I would much rather have Hickey. Having a bench of 4 definitely helps him out for us next year. Assuming both he and longer are uninjured they'll play most games together I'd think weather pending obviously

Sorry - I'm not up to speed with there argument around why it's easier to carry 2 bonafide ruck man in the side now that the sub rule has been abolished?

Has everyone not read the fine print where interchange rotations has reduced from 120 to 90?

If one of the ruck man can't play forward or back, this severely hampers our rotations, which are still vitally important.

IMO you simply can't have Longer playing 50% of the game in the ruck and then Hickey playing the other 50% of the game in the ruck when Longer is on the bench.

The reduced rotations simply highlights the need for a genuine ruck/fwd who moves into the ruck when Longer is on the bench and vice versa, allowing us an extra spot in the side/bench for a mid.

 

[Rough_Edges]

So we'll be meeting with Aaron Young this week. Along with two other Melbourne clubs.

Don't mind it for the right price.

We are really short on inside mids IMO and at 22 (23 next year) he still has a bit of upside and has never really gotten any real opportunity.

No superstar but could be a solid list player, foot solider type.

He still has a year on his contract, so Port will hold him if a suitable trade can't be reached with the interested clubs.

 

[Defacto]

Freo fans now saying they should look at Lee...

 

[Loyal Sainter]

Freo fans now saying they should look at Lee...

Lee for Weller and Pearce!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Freo fans now saying they should look at Lee...

After playing similar roles at times, who would we rate higher. Mitch Brown, or Tom Lee?

 

[Hayes4PM]

Freo fans now saying they should look at Lee...

Pick 5 and Lee for 15, Weller and Pearce please and thank you.

 

[Defacto]

After playing similar roles at times, who would we rate higher. Mitch Brown, or Tom Lee?

easily tom lee

 

[sonnywalters]

Its about Team dynamics. Carlisle is not the messiah true but what he would bring is stability and a bases to build our defense around. That helps solidify our forward line with Bruce not needing to go back for the next ten years and leaves us to then focus on those statistical problems you mentioned which a major reason for them is just having a young playing group. If our midfield group were the same age as the hawks and those were still our stats then yes we would have a problem. Another preseason for our midfield talent of building muscle and getting used to the punishment that they go through and those number will get better.

'Team dynamics'? Sounds like hocus pocus.
Bruce never went back once this year - so you just solved a problem we never had.
We need to win more clearances. Having said that I have faith in Ross becoming a clearance specialist and as you say we need some focus. To me our biggest weakness is nobody helps or supports Jack Steven. He plays a lone role. He has no overlap. So I agree that if we sure up the backline we can move on to focussing on the midfield. I am not against Jake. I just dont want people building him up as a messiah.

 

[Hayes4PM]

'Team dynamics'? Sounds like hocus pocus.
Bruce never went back once this year - so you just solved a problem we never had.
We need to win more clearances. Having said that I have faith in Ross becoming a clearance specialist and as you say we need some focus. To me our biggest weakness is nobody helps or supports Jack Steven. He plays a lone role. He has no overlap. So I agree that if we sure up the backline we can move on to focussing on the midfield. I am not against Jake. I just dont want people building him up as a messiah.

The messiah? Wait... Jesus Christ. Jake Carlisle. JC... Oh my god you guys. He's the messiah.

 

[Superduperouzel]

Just putting it out there - when watching the hawks they have a very distinct mix of:
Engine room - Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, Shiels
Runners - Hill, Smith, Birchall, Burgoyne
Athletic and versatile forwards - Gunston, Breust, Puopolo, Roughhead, Rioli
Solid defence - Lake, Frawley, Gibson, Stratton

I honestly think we are on our way to creating the right 'mix' of players.
And if we don't draft them, we'll either trade for them or acquire them through free agency.

In comparison:
Engine Room - Armitage, Ross, Dunstan, Mathieson*
Runners - Steven, Freeman*, ?, ?
Athletic and versatile forwards - Bruce, Lonie, Billings, ?, ?
Solid Defence - Carlisle*, Goddard, Roberton, ?

Still a few holes to fill, but the bare bones are getting there.

* - assuming we land those players!

Very good observation.

 

[Boxx]

So we'll be meeting with Aaron Young this week. Along with two other Melbourne clubs.

Don't mind it for the right price.

We are really short on inside mids IMO and at 22 (23 next year) he still has a bit of upside and has never really gotten any real opportunity.

No superstar but could be a solid list player, foot solider type.

He still has a year on his contract, so Port will hold him if a suitable trade can't be reached with the interested clubs.

You have summed Youngy up fairly well IMO mate... Ports midfield is pretty strong and unfortunately Aaron has just never quite taken his opportunities to cement his spot in our team!!!

I actually rate him as one of if not the toughest player on our list - some of massive hits he has taken and just bounced straight back up beggars belief.

IF a win/win (ish) trade can be made that sees Youngy get a better chance to play good football at AFL level will be a great thing!!!

IF the trade is not possible - I would be more than happy to keep him on our list!!!

 

[Nutsngum]

The problem about trading Young is that we still need to draft at least two players. That leaves two more spots required. Unlike a lot of people I neither want to nor believe Hickey will leave (and honestly its unlikely that the club, hickey AND another club with an adequate pick are all going to work out) so that leaves two people to cut. So who else is getting chopped? Everyone else short of Ray is contracted.

'Team dynamics'? Sounds like hocus pocus.

Bruce never went back once this year - so you just solved a problem we never had.

Well actuaaaaally he went back in the last part of the game vs West Coast when we were leaking goals but I dont think that really counts.

 

[Goddardwetrust]

If it is too far to travel, perhaps we could arrange for a host family for Jake - until he finds his feet and realises life is so much better living on this side of the city!

LOL, cant argue with you, when I was a teenager I went from Frankston to Port Melbourne, for my apprenticeship, 5 long years, but having said that I didn't have the money to move like he is going to get.

I have to say, if Skippos is right, then Carlton can have him, but it would be very childish if the reason was travel, especially when players move interstate.

Until he actually nominates someone, then I still think he comes to us, why the hell would he go to them at the moment, they are 2 to 3 years behind us.

 

[Baker_for_PM]

'Team dynamics'? Sounds like hocus pocus.
Bruce never went back once this year - so you just solved a problem we never had.
We need to win more clearances. Having said that I have faith in Ross becoming a clearance specialist and as you say we need some focus. To me our biggest weakness is nobody helps or supports Jack Steven. He plays a lone role. He has no overlap. So I agree that if we sure up the backline we can move on to focussing on the midfield. I am not against Jake. I just dont want people building him up as a messiah.

Bruce was able to play forward all year because we were lucky with injuries, Fisher playing 18 games after only playing 16 the last two years and Gilbert finding form with his 11 games after only playing 15 in the last two years as well was a major bonus and help create a stable defense which helped the improvement of players such as Roberton and Newnes. But with Fisher,Gilbert and Dempster in the twilight of their careers having a young already established defender down back that can take the pressure of others such as Hugh will help continue their development. Again i am not saying he is the messiah either but the hole he would fill goes along way in the helping of all future plans i.e Trades/FA

 

[Goddardwetrust]

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My gut feel is that if we were going to trade Hickey, we would have a plan in place for a potential ruck/fwd to take his place.
I agree that the other options don't suffice. Holmes can only play as #1 ruck, Pierce simply not ready yet and hasn't shown enough for mine in the VFL.
Whether the option be to rotate another fwd/back through there, draft a player or trade in a player etc..
Remember when we traded McEvoy, it appeared we had a fairly distinct plan to nab Longer in the same trade period.

I am in the keep Hickey camp, but if he wishes to go, then let him go, on the proviso that we get a decent pick in return.

I asked this question earlier, at what pick would we let him go, in my opinion it would have to be a 1st rounder.

 

[CursingFijian]

I am in the keep Hickey camp, but if he wishes to go, then let him go, on the proviso that we get a decent pick in return. I asked this question earlier, at what pick would we let him go, in my opinion it would have to be a 1st rounder.

I think if Hickey were to ask for a trade and nominate a club then we are subject to the same constrictions that Collingwood are with Freeman. A fair trade would be an early second rounder, and a favourable trade would be a mid to late first rounder. It all depends on how much interest there is from other clubs and the willingness of Hickey to be traded to any one of say three interested parties.

I am absolutely delighted that we seem to have gone from basket case to preferred destination within 24 months. I haven't been this excited about going into a draft since, we had a number one pick. Wait...well I think you know what I mean...the performance of the club off the field this year is really starting to show the profound effect it can have on the capacity of a club to 'turn it around'. I tip my hat to Finnis, Richardson, Summers and all the staff at St Kilda. It is clear that everyone at the club bought into the plan early in the piece, and the message has been loud and consistent, and backed up with results on and off the field. If we can make the same gains in the next 12 months, free agency could become very exciting.

On an aside...there must be some frustrated staff in footy clubs who work tirelessly all year, travelling and sacrificing to identify the best draft talent...only to see their club trade away draft picks and invest in established players.

 

[Goddardwetrust]

I don't know if that is right about Hickey, he is still contracted, whereas Freeman is not.

I think the club would keep him if the trade is not in our best interest.

 

[Nutsngum]

I think if Hickey were to ask for a trade and nominate a club then we are subject to the same constrictions that Collingwood are with Freeman. A fair trade would be an early second rounder, and a favourable trade would be a mid to late first rounder. It all depends on how much interest there is from other clubs and the willingness of Hickey to be traded to any one of say three interested parties.

I am absolutely delighted that we seem to have gone from basket case to preferred destination within 24 months. I haven't been this excited about going into a draft since, we had a number one pick. Wait...well I think you know what I mean...the performance of the club off the field this year is really starting to show the profound effect it can have on the capacity of a club to 'turn it around'. I tip my hat to Finnis, Richardson, Summers and all the staff at St Kilda. It is clear that everyone at the club bought into the plan early in the piece, and the message has been loud and consistent, and backed up with results on and off the field. If we can make the same gains in the next 12 months, free agency could become very exciting.

On an aside...there must be some frustrated staff in footy clubs who work tirelessly all year, travelling and sacrificing to identify the best draft talent...only to see their club trade away draft picks and invest in established players.

Remember though that Hickey literally just signed a 2 year extension so he is contracted until at least the end of 2017. That shows he really has had no desire to leave such far and I think would require a very big offer from another team for both he and the club to move him on.

 

[Mowman]

Andy Maher still thinks Carlisle is going to Saints to

LOL, Andy Maher wouldn't know which way his bum is pointing.

 

[Mowman]

Just putting it out there - when watching the hawks they have a very distinct mix of:
Engine room - Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, Shiels
Runners - Hill, Smith, Birchall, Burgoyne
Athletic and versatile forwards - Gunston, Breust, Puopolo, Roughhead, Rioli
Solid defence - Lake, Frawley, Gibson, Stratton

I honestly think we are on our way to creating the right 'mix' of players.
And if we don't draft them, we'll either trade for them or acquire them through free agency.

In comparison:
Engine Room - Armitage, Ross, Dunstan, Mathieson*
Runners - Steven, Freeman*, ?, ?
Athletic and versatile forwards - Bruce, Lonie, Billings, ?, ?
Solid Defence - Carlisle*, Goddard, Roberton, ?

Still a few holes to fill, but the bare bones are getting there.

* - assuming we land those players!

Just my opinion,I don't think we are even close at the minute, The engine room Armo, Ross, Dustan and we haven't got Mathieson yet shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis and Shiels

 

[plugger66]

He was once they got rid of matters, I still think he showed a lot more than Paddy in his games as a forward but for some reason he isn't given time in the seniors. He had a terrible injury run since he was drafted also which doesn't help. Anyway, don't think he's a KPB in the Carlisle mould, has to be the third tall defender and will replace Dempster if he stays on the list.

Well McCartin kicked 3 or 4 in the seconds the game before he got a game. I doubt Lee kicked 3 or 4 at all this season. Also even if there form was level you would always pick the young 18 year old. As for replacing Dempster well he would want to start playing next season because there is no way he will be on the list if he cant get a game next season. Injuries haven't helped but also he does lack a few qualities to be a regular senior player. I really hope he can do it next year. I cant see a spot for him though this season baring injury.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Paddy is a far superior talent to Lee. I'd be livid if someone of Lee's calibre were keeping McCartin out of the team.

Lee = trade bait. I'd take any pick <50 just to create an extra list space.

 

[Goddardwetrust]

6 sleeps until Santa, I mean the trading starts.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

6 sleeps until Santa, I mean the trading starts.

Free agency starts today.....trade radio starts today!

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Ess board are obsessed with Billings. Some are joking around but others think they're a legit chance of getting him lol. I swear every poster on that board is operated by Dodoro!