List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[Barrels]

Might aswell draft Matt Sully!

Matt Sully is beyond reproach!!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Cats confident they will finish in top 6 next season, otherwise they wouldn't have traded their first for Henderson.

In fact as of now it makes no difference to them.

 

[Armoooo]

Treloar would be amazing, a much better option than Carlisle.

 

[Axcellence]

I was trying to run an iPad lesson with my kids and the apps kept crashing. I was mildly angry.

Then I got on Twitter and had to read all the Dons' supporter comments about Geelong giving what they needed to do now St.Kilda should do the same! Now I'm really angry! And dumber.

(They don't get the difference between pick 5 and Geelong 2016 which will be around 9-13 and that Geelong will pay overs as they see a window for themselves).

Essendon fans twitterings:-

 

[Fortius Quo]

Geelong just get it done... We would too I'm sure but look at the clubs we are trying to deal with

 

[cowboysteel66]

Geelong just get it done... We would too I'm sure but look at the clubs we are trying to deal with

I think wells is just trying to get it done by Friday so he can have an extra week off on holidays next week.

 

[Training Mad]

Pick 5 & hickey for treloar

 

[Feerits Elf]

Giants ARE looking for a 2nd ruck ...

 

[The_Steadier]

Giants ARE looking for a 2nd ruck ...

As discussed earlier, why would a contracted hickey move interstate for a second banana gig?

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Giants ARE looking for a 2nd ruck ...

Dawson Simpson

 

[SaintsSeptember]

As discussed earlier, why would a contracted hickey move interstate for a second banana gig?

Believe it or not Mumford is now 29, and in a couple of years Hickey would be the man.
Even at StKilda its unlikely that both Longer and Hickey would play every game.
( Why is Hickey a trade item , but not Longer )?
( money can help too).

 

[Barrels]

Apparently Gary 'I'm totally not biased you guys' Buckenara analyses our list today on the Hun Online...

You need to be a subscriber though.

 

[Periphery]

LOL at Dons fans using the Hedo trade as justification for us giving them 5. As if the Cats and Saints are in similar places with their list builds.

 

[stprogdan]

Apologies if it's already been mentioned, but if Brisbane do decide to match the offer for Leuenberger, could that help us out? Essendon would be spewing cos they'd have to organise a trade, maybe we could do a three way, send 24 to Brisbane which is way better than the 39 compo they were offered, they send Leuey to Essendon and we get Carlisle? Essentially we get Carlisle for our original offer, wouldn't mind that...

 

[The_Steadier]

Believe it or not Mumford is now 29, and in a couple of years Hickey would be the man.
Even at StKilda its unlikely that both Longer and Hickey would play every game.
( Why is Hickey a trade item , but not Longer )?
( money can help too).

He already moved from GC to us in the hope of being 'the man'.
Can't exactly see him doing it again unless it was a dead cert.

Longer isn't being talked about because he's younger and the current preferred number 1 ruckman.

 

[Feerits Elf]

As discussed earlier, why would a contracted hickey move interstate for a second banana gig?

Hush you, I'm daydreaming of Treloar ... Treloar ... Treloar ...

 

[King_Steele]

Apparently Gary 'I'm totally not biased you guys' Buckenara analyses our list today on the Hun Online...

You need to be a subscriber though.

Thank me later.

THE jury is still out on St Kilda.

Yes, they were one of the season’s surprise packets and showed plenty of talent in games, which suggests the list is in good shape but too often they dropped away mid-match and mid-quarter.

The Saints were competitive in a lot of games and didn’t get totally smashed by big margins like in previous seasons so that’s a good sign, but there are still holes in the list that need to be filled in order to take the team forward.

There are challenges in replacing the older players — some of which happen to be their best players — if they’re to continue to rise up the ladder. Those players are Nick Riewoldt, Leigh Montagna, Sam Fisher, Sam Gilbert and Sean Dempster.

Development is the key.

They’ve already ticked off a lot of the positional needs to a degree (with the imminent addition of Jake Carlisle) — there’s good defensive structure, clever players and good structure up froward and they also have reasonable midfielders.

Nick Riewoldt should take Hugh Goddard under his wing to teach him what it takes to make it in the AFL, Gary Buckenara says. Picture: Wayne Ludbey



That means so much is going to depend on how Jack Billings goes even though he’s already shown talent, Josh Bruce up forward — can he take another step on what he showed this year — Hugh Goddard and Paddy McCartin who were such early picks but need to show a bit more than what they did this season and Tim Membrey is another one who needs to show a bit more.

Eli Templeton and Nathan Wright have been injured but showed good signs, Luke Dunstan — all these guys need to step up because they are very, very important players in what the Saints are trying to achieve.

Then there’s David Armitage who is a leader but needs to keep going and getting better, as does Jack Steven.

If these players don’t keep improving, then there could be a big hiccup in St Kilda’s plans.

One way to ensure they do keep improving is to manage Riewoldt and considering playing him for 15 or 16 games a year, while having him take Goddard under his wing and show him the work ethic that’s required to make it in this caper. Work ethic is probably the only thing that’s currently lacking in Goddard’s game because he’s got all the skills to be able to do what Riewoldt has done for so many years.

St Kilda should trade pick No. 5 for Jake Carlisle but try and get a second-round pick back as part of the deal according to Gary Buckenara. Picture: Michael Klein



When it comes down to the argument over handing pick No. 5 to Essendon for Jake Carlisle, the question has to be asked: Will St Kilda get a key position player to the quality of Carlisle with that pick? In terms of immediate help, the answer is no.

They could pick Charlie Curnow at No. 5 who will develop into a really good player in 3-4 years but for their structure now, to get someone like Carlisle, my plan of attack would be give up pick 5 to get him but get Essendon’s second-round pick (currently No. 23) in return.

In terms of Nathan Freeman from Collingwood, if they can get Essendon’s second-round pick you would on-trade that to the Pies for sure. He adds the outside speed that they so desperately need and still have their own second-round pick (currently No. 24) to grab a nice player.

2016 is a critical year for St Kilda. Their rise up the ladder must continue for the sake of the entire football club.



WHAT THEY NEED


The Saints definitely need more key position players both forward and in defence. They need better users of the footy, players with speed and endurance with good kicking skills. Possibly, depending on what happens in the ruck department, they could also look to add something there. They’ve got the American Jason Holmes, Billy Longer and Tom Hickey but the critical thing is that they can’t afford any injuries to their rucks. It would leave a big hole so that’s something to consider whether it’s through the draft or via a trade.

In the next year or so targeting more experienced and quality players from other clubs via trade or free agency might be on the agenda because they do have a lot of talented young players having focused on drafting in the last few seasons to rebuild the list.



WHO’S UNDER THE PUMP


In my opinion, there are a few players with question marks over them in terms of are they good enough and are they in St Kilda’s long-term plans. One of them is Blake Acres who was a reasonably early pick but to me he might be under the pump but could be saved given the lack of depth in this year’s draft and changes they might make to the list because of that. He has got some talent but to me he isn’t a good decision maker and needs to work on his disposal. Tom Curren is also in this category; Jarryn Geary might be at the end, Tom Lee, Lewis Pierce, Farren Ray, Josh Saunders and Ahmed Saad and Brenton Payne as rookies. All these guys need to show something if they are staying on for next season.

Gary Buckenara says Jarryn Geary is under the pump. Picture: Colleen Petch





WHO SHOULD GO


Adam Schneider has retired and Spencer White, Arryn Sipposs, Tom Simpkin and Daniel Markworth have already been delisted but I’d suggest Lee, Ray, Saunders and Webster are likely to be the ones under the most pressure due to age or lack of form. But given the delistings and retirements already some should survive.



CRYSTAL BALL


St Kilda might have waited a bit too long to start preparing for life after guys like Riewoldt and Fisher but that’s definitely what they were doing when they picked McCartin and Goddard last year. They are on the right track.

So much depends on the development because if the young players don’t keep improving then there could be a big hiccup in St Kilda’s plans. Are these talented youngsters going to turn into premiership players?

How they do cover for the loss of those experienced players in the next one or two years is critical and if they don’t cover their loss and players don’t come on as expected, then their rise up the ladder might stall.

The Saints could go from knocking on the door of the top eight in a year or two but if they don’t keep developing they could stall and do a bit of a Melbourne. A lot of that sits on the shoulders of Goddard and McCartin because if they don’t develop into top line players, then that will set St Kilda back a fair bit.

But if everything goes right and some of these players really come on, then the Saints could be challenging for a premiership in 3-5 years.

 

[stprogdan]

Haha power out at Trade Radio, not even God could stand their inane prattling...

 

[Saints4lyfff]

Great Martin Tylerism, "a possibility but not necesarily a probablility".

Hahahahahahahahah lmfao

 

[The_Steadier]

Didn't trelor whack one of our blokes a couple of years ago?
I remember booing him for some reason.

 

[CHBench]

A bit of research wouldn't go astray before writing a piece titled analysis

 

[Loyal Sainter]

LOL at Dons fans using the Hedo trade as justification for us giving them 5. As if the Cats and Saints are in similar places with their list builds.

And on the AFL site survey 80% of people have said that Geelong have paid overs for Henderson. It's just the Bombers supporters that are painfully delusional.

 

[P Train]

Do Goddard (pick20) was such an early pick but Acres (19) was a reasonably early pick?

 

[Studbuddy]

Is this guy an idiot? Webster due to lack of form? He's finished top 10 in the BnF this year.

 

[Kildonan]

I reckon Lions would need to throw in Luey.
Stk give 5, get Aish & Carlisle
Bris give Aish, Luey, 17, get 5
Ess give Carlisle, get 17 & Luey

Essendon win big
Saints win
Lions shafted

Fairer 3 way would be:

Brisbane
Out: Aish Leuenberger pick #39
In: picks #5 and #60

Saints
Out: picks #5 and #60
In: Carlisle and Aish

Essendon
Out: Carlisle
In: Leuenberger and pick #39

This values players more fairly
Aish ~ pick #13
Carlisle ~ pick #16
Leuenberger ~ pick #24 (I know - but that's what Brisbane expect)

Brisbane lose two valuable players but gain over 1500 pts towards academy picks
St Kilda gain two valuable players but pay fairly for them
Essendon get their ruckman and mathematically achieve the goal of a first round pick for Carlisle