Certified Legendary Thread Matchday 14 - November Title Decider?

Can Louis Van Gaal's Red Army stop the Vardy train?

  • Yes

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  • No

    Votes: 19 33.3%
  • Why isn't Fryer Tuck doing the matchday threads?

    Votes: 28 49.1%
  • Lol Mou

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Was my tip to do a Kane and really break out this season. Shame he hasn't got on the park, looks the type of player that will relish the fight for his spot. Hard to remember sometimes that he is 20-21 still with his 50 odd appearances for us and 17 international caps already
He made that mistake against United and pretty much hasn't been fit again, keeps getting injured on Algeria duty. That mistake has now defined his season to casual Prem watchers like jod.
 

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Yeah doubling the size of our stadium won't improve our chances of being able to compete with the big 4. Arsenal should have stayed at Highbury too I'm guessing :rolleyes:

When Liverpool, City & Chelsea are also in the process of upgrading their capacity to 60,000 and Arsenal/United are already reaping the rewards of capital investment made in this area a decade or more ago, it's more like the bare minimum requirement for Tottenham to maintain their current position in terms of match day revenue (ie you'll fall back if you don't do it rather than improving your relative position if you do). It's not a competitive advantage and it won't help you make up ground if your rivals are all doing exactly the same thing!

Vast improvements to commercial revenue streams are the only way Spurs are going to bridge that gap, but when you look at key streams such as kit sponsorship and see that Liverpool are able to generate as much value from their training kit as Tottenham are from their primary sponsor, it's clear that global brand exposure/reach is a limiting factor on revenue that Tottenham will need to overcome to improve their capacity to compete with the big sides on a regular basis. Far more so than a stadium redevelopment which really only affects your brand exposure/reach and earning capacity in the local market.
 

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When Liverpool, City & Chelsea are also in the process of upgrading their capacity to 60,000 and Arsenal/United are already reaping the rewards of capital investment made in this area a decade or more ago, it's more like the bare minimum requirement for Tottenham to maintain their current position in terms of match day revenue (ie you'll fall back if you don't do it rather than improving your relative position if you do). It's not a competitive advantage and it won't help you make up ground if your rivals are all doing exactly the same thing!

Vast improvements to commercial revenue streams are the only way Spurs are going to bridge that gap, but when you look at key streams such as kit sponsorship and see that Liverpool are able to generate as much value from their training kit as Tottenham are from their primary sponsor, it's clear that global brand exposure/reach is a limiting factor on revenue that Tottenham will need to overcome to improve their capacity to compete with the big sides on a regular basis. Far more so than a stadium redevelopment which really only affects your brand exposure/reach and earning capacity in the local market.
Commercial revenues will come from on field success and marketability and the only way to compete with the top 4 is to have a 60,000+ seat stadium. Matchday revenue is less than half that of Arsenal's so just doubling our matchday revenue itself moves us top about 10th on the Deloitte Money League (currently 14th or 15th I think). Also the stadium itself will bring in it's own extra commercial opportunities which have been agreed to (e.g. NFL deal, hotels etc.)
 

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When Liverpool, City & Chelsea are also in the process of upgrading their capacity to 60,000 and Arsenal/United are already reaping the rewards of capital investment made in this area a decade or more ago, it's more like the bare minimum requirement for Tottenham to maintain their current position in terms of match day revenue (ie you'll fall back if you don't do it rather than improving your relative position if you do). It's not a competitive advantage and it won't help you make up ground if your rivals are all doing exactly the same thing!

Vast improvements to commercial revenue streams are the only way Spurs are going to bridge that gap, but when you look at key streams such as kit sponsorship and see that Liverpool are able to generate as much value from their training kit as Tottenham are from their primary sponsor, it's clear that global brand exposure/reach is a limiting factor on revenue that Tottenham will need to overcome to improve their capacity to compete with the big sides on a regular basis. Far more so than a stadium redevelopment which really only affects your brand exposure/reach and earning capacity in the local market.

Underrated point.

Commercial revenues will come from on field success and marketability and the only way to compete with the top 4 is to have a 60,000+ seat stadium. Also the stadium itself will bring in it's own extra commercial opportunities which have been agreed to (e.g. NFL deal, hotels etc.)

Tottenham (and Liverpool) will find they have exactly the same problem as Arsenal.

Arsenal undertook a project with the Emirates stadium to put the club on a financial level to compete with Manchester United in the league and the biggest clubs in Europe.The problem was nobody saw the development of both Chelsea and Manchester City, PSG, Monaco etc etc

Arsenal haven't gained the kind of advantage that was envisioned when the stadium was built. All it has done has allowed the club not to be completely left behind by the biggest clubs in the world.

Arsenal still can't compete financially with Manchester United, Chelsea, Man City (look at the huge growth in revenue by these clubs which is only going to keep going up) and can't even touch the likes of Bayern Munich, PSG, Barcelona, Real Madrid....

Tottenham's new stadium will great for the club but it is minimum requirement needed not to become completely irrelevant in the future. It won't do too much to close the gap on the five biggest (Liverpool, United, Chelsea, City, Arsenal) but what it will do is lengthen the gap between Tottenham and the rest of the clubs in the league.
 

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It won't do too much to close the gap on the five biggest (Liverpool, United, Chelsea, City, Arsenal) but what it will do is lengthen the gap between Tottenham and the rest of the clubs in the league.
How does it not close the gap on the biggest 5 as a whole? Arsenal & United are remaining status quo so we'd obviously be bridging the gap to them in terms of matchday revenues. Liverpool's 54,000 stadium out of London you'd have to think wont have the same revenue streams as Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal's 60,000+ stadiums so the gap to them will also be closed. Chelsea and City are the real big players in this they're already way bigger than us and are looking to strengthen further.

I do agree that it's the minimum requirement whilst everyone else is increasing their stadiums. But unlike Arsenal I don't think the funding of a stadium will change our transfer strategy & on field achievements for the worse, as lets face it Levy is already a money making tight arse and that's still got us within touching distance. The stadium itself wont be the game changer, but with the current buy young sell high strategy and with Poch & co in charge it should bridge that gap to the top 4 considerably.
 

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How does it not close the gap on the biggest 5 as a whole? Arsenal & United are remaining status quo so we'd obviously be bridging the gap to them in terms of matchday revenues. Liverpool's 54,000 stadium out of London you'd have to think wont have the same revenue streams as Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal's 60,000+ stadiums so the gap to them will also be closed. Chelsea and City are the real big players in this they're already way bigger than us and are looking to strengthen further.

I do agree that it's the minimum requirement whilst everyone else is increasing their stadiums. But unlike Arsenal I don't think the funding of a stadium will change our transfer strategy & on field achievements for the worse, as lets face it Levy is already a money making tight arse and that's still got us within touching distance. The stadium itself wont be the game changer, but with the current buy young sell high strategy and with Poch & co in charge it should bridge that gap to the top 4 considerably.

Because nothing occurs in a vacuum?

Tottenham are going to have a massive debt hanging around their neck that needs to be paid off before seeing any benefits whilst the 4/5 of the other clubs are going to keep on plowing forward in the financial stakes. Arsenal barely kept up with the top clubs and that was with selling our best players each season, constantly making Champions league and having a massive fan base to fill out the stadium.

This idea that the stadium is going to be all wine & cheese from Tottenham fans is a little bit worrying.
 

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Because nothing occurs in a vacuum?

Tottenham are going to have a massive debt hanging around their neck that needs to be paid off before seeing any benefits whilst the 4/5 of the other clubs are going to keep on plowing forward in the financial stakes. Arsenal barely kept up with the top clubs and that was with selling our best players each season, constantly making Champions league and having a massive fan base to fill out the stadium.

This idea that the stadium is going to be all wine & cheese from Tottenham fans is a little bit worrying.
Our current financial status is extremely healthy so the investment in the stadium and going into debt wont be a concern. I'd be very surprised if a club so financially well run this past 10 years is going into a stadium build without some deals set to be in place (naming rights, NFL, hotels, foreign investment etc.). Can see ENIC either giving up some of their share of Spurs to a US consortium once the stadium is built and it tying in with an NFL franchise. There's already been talks with Cain Hoy on behalf of a group of US investors but ENIC/Levy knew they're bargaining power would be stronger once an actual stadium is built
 

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I'm not coming out and saying the new stadium (with whatever side deals or new ownership structure) is going to win us the league or cement us in the top 4. But how it doesn't improve our chances is beyond me
 
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Let's just all agree that it doesn't take much on this board for Liverpool fans to blow their collective load (Faith aside being female) and accept that's the way it always be. Never have I read so much guff, with good old Jod leading the way.

They clearly haven't learnt the lessons of history. The spirit of Grandblue lingers

Yourself, jd, NSFB and Tulip have been just as prominent in this thread as any Liverpool fan has. It has been a two-way conversation and just because you disagree with what they're saying you're banging the "they're all deluded" drum.

Liverpool fans think their team is better. Tottenham fans their team is better. What a surprise! I guess we'll see who's right at the end of the season.
 

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Yourself, jd, NSFB and Tulip have been just as prominent in this thread as any Liverpool fan has. It has been a two-way conversation and just because you disagree with what they're saying you're banging the "they're all deluded" drum.

Liverpool fans think their team is better. Tottenham fans their team is better. I guess we'll see who's right at the end of the season.
And we've been pretty measured with our hyping up or talking down of our players, in comparison there has been talking up the likes of Lovren, Enrique, Kolo, Skrtel, Mignolet & Flanagan for example. Pretty sure I called our midfield battle a 50/50 and our DEF & GK being where we are clear winners in terms of depth and quality. In terms of depth of course your STs have our 1 proper striker covered. But of your 4 that has our depth covered 1 is out for the year, 1 is out all the time & 1 is as raw as N'Jie for us. So whilst there's depth on paper on the park a lot will rest on Benteke this season
 
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