The Syrian War

[MaddAdam]

Syria discussion and stuff in here. Sick of using the old 2012 thread.

Start with this footage of the Russians using advanced fuel-air explosive tipped rockets against rebel positions in Latakia.

You would not want to be anywhere near those things landing, they incinerate people.

 

[MaddAdam]

The Battle for Aleppo going to reach the climactic phase in next few days - how long that lasts for remains to be seen - but the smart money would be on the joint SAA/Iranian/Hezbollah ground forces with massively effective Russian close air support taking the day.

For the Russians, this is a re-run of the Battle of Grozny in 99/00. The urban siege as winter falls.

If the regime forces can break the Jabhat and Ahrar Al Sham units in Aleppo and further north, then they can reach the border and cut their supply lines from Turkey.

Very hard to come back from that.

 

[little graham]

Mainstream media currently ignoring the mass protests in London over bombing Syria.

http://act.stopwar.org.uk/lobby/stopbombingsyria

 

[little graham]

Makes sense why mainstream media is ignoring this.

 

[MaddAdam]

Christ, I remember the massive anti Iraq War rally in London.

 

[MaddAdam]

Makes sense why mainstream media is ignoring this.

There's that but far more prosaically, war sells papers and the Brits have always been susceptible to press and war mixing up.

The English did invent modern media culture.

There's an iconic photo of a paperboy selling the Evening Standard (I think) which has the "score" from that day in the Battle of Britain as St Paul's burns behind him.

 

[Lester Burnham]

Mainstream media currently ignoring the mass protests in London over bombing Syria.

It took me about a minute to check the Guardian, Independent and Daily Mail. All had similar photos to yours. Don't make s**t up.

 

[little graham]

It took me about a minute to check the Guardian, Independent and Daily Mail. All had similar photos to yours. Don't make s**t up.

The BBc calls them terrorist sympathizers , why are you ignoring this?

 

[little graham]

There's that but far more prosaically, war sells papers and the Brits have always been susceptible to press and war mixing up.

The English did invent modern media culture.

There's an iconic photo of a paperboy selling the Evening Standard (I think) which has the "score" from that day in the Battle of Britain as St Paul's burns behind him.

I remember seeing that when i studied that battle extensively (ex douglas bader tragic)

There's also the bit Murdoch and his fox news are ignoring the theft of syrian oil by groups armed by Americans and poms and transporting the oil threw a nato country.

There's also the Murdoch press here, they're not making money out the war by selling newspapers, but they still push the same line and still actively hide the facts.

 

[MaddAdam]

I remember seeing that when i studied that battle extensively (ex douglas bader tragic)

There's also the bit Murdoch and his fox news are ignoring the theft of syrian oil by groups armed by Americans and poms and transporting the oil threw a nato country.

There's also the Murdoch press here, they're not making money out the war by selling newspapers, but they still push the same line and still actively hide the facts.

Old Stumpy eh.

 

[little graham]

Old Stumpy eh.

How romantic was the duxford wing?

If only someone told him of the thousands of Russian fighters being assembled on the German borders , which limited what the Luftwaffe could throw at knocking England out the war.

 

[MaddAdam]

How romantic was the duxford wing?

If only someone told him of the thousands of Russian fighters being assembled on the German borders , which limited what the Luftwaffe could throw at knocking England out the war.

Yeah. I actually had this conversation with my old boss in Brussels. War is never romantic - and he'd seen a fair bit of it and I've had my encounters in various ways - and I'm sure being ripped apart by 20mm cannon shells, or watching your mate explode in a ball of flames was horrific, but there is something supremely attractive, real knights of the air stuff, about the Battle Of Britain.

My granddad flew in Bomber Command, got shot down over Belgium. When I was there I got in contact with a dude who lived near where his plane crashed. The dude took me to the site, and I actually found a bit of the old bloke's plane, which is kind of astounding.

 

[blackcat]

The Battle for Aleppo going to reach the climactic phase in next few days - how long that lasts for remains to be seen - but the smart money would be on the joint SAA/Iranian/Hezbollah ground forces with massively effective Russian close air support taking the day.

For the Russians, this is a re-run of the Battle of Grozny in 99/00. The urban siege as winter falls.

If the regime forces can break the Jabhat and Ahrar Al Sham units in Aleppo and further north, then they can reach the border and cut their supply lines from Turkey.

Very hard to come back from that.

they razed grozny tho didnt they?

russians are a fan of sieges. quite versed in the modern day iteration.

 

[blackcat]

Old Stumpy eh.

whatta about the old MI6 head who had a wooden leg, he used to stab a dagger from high into the wooden leg to see if any of his interviewees would flinch. if you flinched, you are unlikely to go into basic-training.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansfield_Smith-Cumming

 

[Lester Burnham]

The BBc calls them terrorist sympathizers , why are you ignoring this?

Because it's not true.

Here's the evil MSM stooges at the BBC 'ignoring the mass protests in London over bombing Syria'.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34954592

 

[MaddAdam]

they razed grozny tho didnt they?

russians are a fan of sieges. quite versed in the modern day iteration.

And Grozny is now rebuilt and booming.

 

[medusala]

There's an iconic photo of a paperboy selling the Evening Standard (I think) which has the "score" from that day in the Battle of Britain as St Paul's burns behind him.

Great photo that, taken from a roof from Fleet Street I think. St Pauls didn't burn though (couple of minor flare ups aside). Everything around it got nailed though.

they razed grozny tho didnt they?

russians are a fan of sieges. quite versed in the modern day iteration.

Konigsberg. Two thirds of stuff all there now apparently.

 

[medusala]

 

[medusala]

Mainstream media currently ignoring the mass protests in London over bombing Syria.

http://act.stopwar.org.uk/lobby/stopbombingsyria

Lol. Mass? Far more people were at Loftus Road.

 

[MaddAdam]

Da'esh is anti-Assad in theory but not so much in practice.

Assad himself loves Da'esh.

That's why he laid out the welcome mat for them and made their growth very easy.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Da'esh is anti-Assad in theory but not so much in practice.

Assad himself loves Da'esh.

That's why he laid out the welcome mat for them and made their growth very easy.

He loves the opportunity they present. He has no love for their ideology, as far as I know.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

 

[little graham]

He loves the opportunity they present. He has no love for their ideology, as far as I know.

Assad was complaining the moment the americans transferred isis and thier heavy weapons from Libya to turkey after ghaddaffi was murdered (most likely the french). He has been has been saying that you are nuts supporting these people and it will comeback to bite you.

 

[jumpinjimmy]

Da'esh is anti-Assad in theory but not so much in practice.

Assad himself loves Da'esh.

That's why he laid out the welcome mat for them and made their growth very easy.

Can you expand on that?

 

[jumpinjimmy]

Anyone believing that 3 million dollars worth of oil could be transported across the Turkish border without the consent of their leadership is dangerously deluded. Yet the Yanks still promulgate these lies and the lemmings drink it up:

https://www.rt.com/usa/324377-usa-russia-turkey-isis/