Politics & Government Video - Aerial of Syrian Devastation

[Exe Gesis]

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

 

[Procrastinator35]

Thread probably belongs in the Society & culture section.

Imagine the outrage if that was an American city?

 

[BALKAN]

"Go back to where you came from"

 

[little graham]

They've seen all this before, they'll rebuild. They're a sturdy great race. Thats why they've survived. When they work out how to stop us ever doing this to them again, most of the refugees will return home. Most of them with take new skills and a deeper consciousness home. Reverse carma.

Wait until they get thier desert full of solar power and export the electricity along the oil pipelines to Europe. The nuclear and coal industry are finished.

Before we destroyed them, they were debt free, functioning socialist government, had good infrastructure, functioning industrial relations system. They could of rolled out that solar easily. This had bought at lest a generation breathing space for nuclear in Europe. We sell uranium to Europeans, guaranteed us another 20 years mining that as well.

 

[The Goon]

What the * is with all the west blaming in here? What's happening in Syria is overwhelmingly a result of Arab and islamic political and religious tension above anything else. Ever hear of the Arab spring?

 

[Bomberboyokay]

People from that city come here they get ****ed off to Nauru.

 

[Catgirl]

What the **** is with all the west blaming in here? What's happening in Syria is overwhelmingly a result of Arab and islamic political and religious tension above anything else. Ever hear of the Arab spring?

Ever heard of the incidentally "Western" retaliatory air strikes? Ignorance is a choice

 

[Exe Gesis]

Ever heard of the incidentally "Western" retaliatory air strikes? Ignorance is a choice

That video in the OP btw is probably like some power-point presentation promoting the effectiveness of drone cameras to other Century500 businesses. Or, an internal advertisement for the performance of western air strikes -- looking at the areas they can improve on.

 

[kfc1]

amazing

 

[Exe Gesis]

Adding to OP as well...

 

[Catgirl]

That video in the OP btw is probably like some power-point presentation promoting the effectiveness of drone cameras to other Century500 businesses. Or, an internal advertisement for the performance of western air strikes -- looking at the areas they can improve on.

The inhumanity of it all. Last week I made the mistake of watching the news. "60 killed in Syrian bomb blast" read in the passing subtitles, as if it rated in relevance with the scores of the American sports that usually comprise the subtitles.

Funny because they will go to any length to publicise and hate monger with supposed TWITTER and FACEBOOK threats from alleged ISIS members or "Muslims", they will report for the 4th time in 6 months that "Jihadi John" the leader of ISIS was killed by brave and courageous US soldiers (seriously he has died like 4 times, how have people not caught onto this?!), but SIXTY killed in a bomb blast in Syria is normal, thus it doesn't deserve coverage? 4 hospitals (of public knowledge) in Syria alone were torn down by WESTERN air strikes. Not the "ISIS headquarters", in fact you'd struggle to know with full certainty whether any of the 20 French missiles after the Paris attacks alone actually hit extremist territory - yet these governments can state with not a nugget of doubt that they "hit ISIS" as if it was as simple as that. Well, 23,144 missiles dropped by America in the Middle East in 2015 alone is sure to hit at least one of those bloody terrorists, right? Barack Obama, how's the Nobel Peace Prize going?? It's quite a shame that societies have actually bought into these falsified claims.

Try this for a sob story.

 

[The Goon]

Ever heard of the incidentally "Western" retaliatory air strikes? Ignorance is a choice

The devastation in that video is not the result of air strikes, it's the result of a civil war on the ground. Images like that were coming out of places like Aleppo years ago, and well before any western (or Russian for that matter) air strikes. But by all means keeping blaming the west for anything that happens in the Middle East, as you say ignorance is a choice.

 

[Exe Gesis]

The devastation in that video is not the result of air strikes, it's the result of a civil war on the ground. Images like that were coming out of places like Aleppo years ago, and well before any western (or Russian for that matter) air strikes. But by all means keeping blaming the west for anything that happens in the Middle East, as you say ignorance is a choice.

This is true too.
People get lost in the extremes of a story/situation.
It's ALLL america's fault, inhumanity. Versus. It's ALLL that evil ISIS mob.
The human devastation has been on the ground by the evil isis people....literally doing savage inhumane things to their own people all over a branch of a single religion -- suni thinking theyre superior to shi'a and need to eradicate them. While America/etc are to blame for manipulating events, allowing such a situation to flourish in a target area (politically/economically).

 

[The Goon]

This is true too.
People get lost in the extremes of a story/situation.
It's ALLL america's fault, inhumanity. Versus. It's ALLL that evil ISIS mob.
The human devastation has been on the ground by the evil isis people....literally doing savage inhumane things to their own people all over a branch of a single religion -- suni thinking theyre superior to shi'a and need to eradicate them. While America/etc are to blame for manipulating events, allowing such a situation to flourish in a target area (politically/economically).

I get sick of the black and white brigade on both sides. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and plenty of others were all supporting factions in Syria long before the west had any input. Bush has a lot to answer for in this regard as without his disastrous invasion of Iraq perhaps there would have been a greater appetite to get involved earlier and we might not have got to this cluster*. Having said that, no sane person wants to get involved in a civil war and even less so in the political and religious minefield that is the Middle East, so who knows?

I'm the first to stick the boot in if the west does something stupid, but to my mind there are far more culpable parties than "the west" in Syria. Knee jerk apportioning of blame like that cartoon in the second post displays a complete ignorance of what went on and is going on there. Replace the U.S. with Iran and the Saudis and you'd have something much closer to the truth.

 

[Exe Gesis]

I get sick of the black and white brigade on both sides. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and plenty of others were all supporting factions in Syria long before the west had any input. Bush has a lot to answer for in this regard as without his disastrous invasion of Iraq perhaps there would have been a greater appetite to get involved earlier and we might not have got to this cluster****. Having said that, no sane person wants to get involved in a civil war and even less so in the political and religious minefield that is the Middle East, so who knows?

I'm the first to stick the boot in if the west does something stupid, but to my mind there are far more culpable parties than "the west" in Syria. Knee jerk apportioning of blame like that cartoon in the second post displays a complete ignorance of what went on and is going on there. Replace the U.S. with Iran and the Saudis and you'd have something much closer to the truth.

Agree with everything. Tho i think you underplay America's sly sinister agenda and machinations. The rot of that 'illuminati-like' think-tank that manipulates and creates (or allows) turmoil to ensure its strength (economically/politically) isn't threatened. It's what all good/smart Empires do. Like the Romans/etc before them.

Also, something to be said that never gets said.....if we have to have these sinister Empires, it's far better to have a Western empire/dictatorship/influence on the world, than a communistic or arabic/islamic Empire. The world would be in such a far worse state and the human toll and general evolution of life/technology/ideas would be far worse.

America is the much preferred devil governing the world.

 

[Catgirl]

The devastation in that video is not the result of air strikes, it's the result of a civil war on the ground. Images like that were coming out of places like Aleppo years ago, and well before any western (or Russian for that matter) air strikes. But by all means keeping blaming the west for anything that happens in the Middle East, as you say ignorance is a choice.

No one exerted that the damages were solely construed by Western hands. The Middle East has seen more political schisms in the past century than probably any other global district. You'd be pleased and possibly surprised to learn THIS IS COMMON knowledge - both amongst Middle Easterners such as myself and non-Middle Easterners. What is not common knowledge but has gained increased friction with globalisation and integration of informational emission in recent years is that Western retaliatory incendiaries have indeed contributed largely to the physical and psychological turmoil of the Middle East and its inhabitants. Not entirely, but largely. To shy away from this and cry out "Don't blame the Westerners for damage caused by their immature political and religious complex" is in a word, deflection, a moral crime almost akin to schadenfreude. The same way it is absolutely incorrect to point the finger at one party, it is wrong to vindicate the other. Rather approach it holistically and understand that there will be "Western blaming" and "Middle East blaming" when topics like these, that quite obviously entail a lot more than drone-generated images, are brought to the surface for public condemnation. Ignorance, I will reiterate, is a choice.

 

[The Goon]

No one exerted that the damages were solely construed by Western hands.

No, but the first four responses were pretty much in that vein, which is when I posted and what you replied to.

The Middle East has seen more political schisms in the past century than probably any other global district. You'd be pleased and possibly surprised to learn THIS IS COMMON knowledge - both amongst Middle Easterners such as myself and non-Middle Easterners.

Sure. But note that this is a thread about Syria and the current situation there, and that was the context of my observation.

What is not common knowledge but has gained increased friction with globalisation and integration of informational emission in recent years is that Western retaliatory incendiaries have indeed contributed largely to the physical and psychological turmoil of the Middle East and its inhabitants. Not entirely, but largely.

Your first sentence here makes no real sense, big words do not equal clear communication. Also, it seems to downplay local contributions to the issues. Make no mistake, I acknowledge both historical and recent impacts on the region by the west, but local division has contributed more to the ongoing conflict in Syria, the topic of this discussion.

To shy away from this and cry out "Don't blame the Westerners for damage caused by their immature political and religious complex" is in a word, deflection, a moral crime almost akin to schadenfreude. The same way it is absolutely incorrect to point the finger at one party, it is wrong to vindicate the other. Rather approach it holistically and understand that there will be "Western blaming" and "Middle East blaming" when topics like these, that quite obviously entail a lot more than drone-generated images, are brought to the surface for public condemnation. Ignorance, I will reiterate, is a choice.

To misquote what I said and remove it from it's context ("Don't blame the Westerners for damage caused by their immature political and religious complex") is dishonest in the extreme.

Can you remove the influence of the west from anything that happens in the Middle East? No. Does this automatically mean that what's happening is Syria right now is "Not entirely, but largely" the fault of the West? No. Claiming so is an intellectually lazy application of general observations to a specific situation.

You're obviously reading things into this that I didn't put there. Go back, read what i wrote in the context that it was written and perhaps you'll understand that our views are not that different. Ignorance may be a choice, but then so is lazy misinterpretation.

 

[little graham]

Ignorance, I will reiterate, is a choice.

Yep!