The HAL Hunter thread: Updated 10/2 - Must pay some costs. Now likely to sue, lodgement likely May.

[T2B_]

whatever....seriously! someone believes it to be atrocious than let them be!!

It's okay. Nothing bad ever happens at EFC.

 

[sherb]

The whole episode is utterly reprehensible.

Essendon are an absolute disgrace.

That sums it up pretty well.

 

[Slartibartfast]

They EFC injected the players and they are responsible for knowing what it is.
There is no diminishment of responsibility in regard to EFC.
If Hal should have known does not enter into this argument.
Yes he was a fool for trusting EFC with his health.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Love how the EFC supporters try to diminish responsibility of the club by running with the line he should have known what was injected. Shame they could not have had this attitude to wards all there players and not just the one who is taken them to court.
Yes he should have known but this does not diminish in anyway EFC responsibility and culpability.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Your points in the second paragraph are reasonable, but EFC's entire line of defence now means that ANY ill health in the future MAY be attributable to the unknown drugs injected into the players.

Will be up to the club to prove it wasn't when the inevitable happens.

No, it would need a statistically significant cluster of cases before a strong case could be made for causation.

 

[mxett]

Love how the EFC supporters try to diminish responsibility of the club by running with the line he should have known what was injected.

I love how you think that's what we're doing

 

[Thrawn]

I love how you think that's what we're doing

Making excuses every step of the way.

 

[good4footy]

Did they create the documents by chiseling stone? The documents were created on a frigging computer.

The idea that there is a 'one and only copy of documents' and they went missing, is one of the more fanciful things brought up by Dank and the club in this whole saga- and that's saying something.

 

[T2B_]

Did they create the documents by chiseling stone? The documents were created on a frigging computer.

The idea that there is a 'one and only copy of documents' and they went missing, is one of the more fanciful things brought up by Dank and the club in this whole saga- and that's saying something.

They've certainly got an interesting idea of defence and pleading innocence.

"you can't prove *sounds of shredding in the background* we did anything wrong because we can't find our records.. "

 

[jenny61_99]

Did they create the documents by chiseling stone? The documents were created on a frigging computer.

The idea that there is a 'one and only copy of documents' and they went missing, is one of the more fanciful things brought up by Dank and the club in this whole saga- and that's saying something.

They hand write things down at Tulla, apparently.

 

[Satan]

They hand write things down at Tulla, apparently.

Carbon paper sales at officeworks Tulla hardly move

 

[gavaniacono]

Did they create the documents by chiseling stone? The documents were created on a frigging computer.

The idea that there is a 'one and only copy of documents' and they went missing, is one of the more fanciful things brought up by Dank and the club in this whole saga- and that's saying something.

As part of the Whatever It Takes strategy, the Windy Hill IT department equipped the club with these fancy devices, it was revealed:

 

[Ando727]

So EFC inject Hal with who knows what.
Hal discovers that some of the stuff might be dodgy.
Hal asks dodgy employer EFC what it was, EFC say I dunno.
Hal goes to court to ask EFC what they injected him whilst under there employ and they stump up inadequate detail.
EFC claim this as a win and seek costs from Hal for asking what the EFC injected into him.

What a dispicable club! Care for the players, yeah right!
Why is not the AFL supporting Hal in his action against EFC? Why are they not publicly chastising EFC for disregard to there players?
Where is the AFL players association, why are they not barking in rage outside court?Are they going to assist Hal with legal costs?
It all just smells so rotten.

So much this.

I found it outrageous that Hunter was even asked to pay for one day of court costs. He was asking for information that he was entitled to have, just because he wanted it. He shouldn't have to pay lawyers and court costs to get this information. He has a fundamental right to have it.

What grounds does Essendon have to claim that they have incurred 3 months of legal fees to prepare for this hearing anyway? Surely they either have the documents or they don't? Why would it cost so much money, need so much legal expertise to establish this or prevent their release? The only way it would is if they had to invest all sorts of energy into producing a legal strategy to block something that they knew was damaging to them. That smacks of guilt and coverup. They are a horrendous organisation. They should sack every last person involved at the place, including their legal counsel, and start again. There's no other way of ridding themselves of the disgrace that is embedded in this club.

 

[Northworth]

So much this.

I found it outrageous that Hunter was even asked to pay for one day of court costs. He was asking for information that he was entitled to have, just because he wanted it. He shouldn't have to pay lawyers and court costs to get this information. He has a fundamental right to have it.

What grounds does Essendon have to claim that they have incurred 3 months of legal fees to prepare for this hearing anyway? Surely they either have the documents or they don't? Why would it cost so much money, need so much legal expertise to establish this or prevent their release? The only way it would is if they had to invest all sorts of energy into producing a legal strategy to block something that they knew was damaging to them. That smacks of guilt and coverup. They are a horrendous organisation. They should sack every last person involved at the place, including their legal counsel, and start again. There's no other way of ridding themselves of the disgrace that is embedded in this club.

I agree
the club's legal costs seem to be code for requiring Hunter to meet the cost of the club withholding information

 

[Slartibartfast]

So much this.

I found it outrageous that Hunter was even asked to pay for one day of court costs. He was asking for information that he was entitled to have, just because he wanted it. He shouldn't have to pay lawyers and court costs to get this information. He has a fundamental right to have it.

What grounds does Essendon have to claim that they have incurred 3 months of legal fees to prepare for this hearing anyway? Surely they either have the documents or they don't? Why would it cost so much money, need so much legal expertise to establish this or prevent their release? The only way it would is if they had to invest all sorts of energy into producing a legal strategy to block something that they knew was damaging to them. That smacks of guilt and coverup. They are a horrendous organisation. They should sack every last person involved at the place, including their legal counsel, and start again. There's no other way of ridding themselves of the disgrace that is embedded in this club.

This whole saga is farcical, how an employer can treat one of its workers like this is unbelievable.

 

[Sector 7G]

Looking forward to efc coming out stating Hal is a disgruntled exemployee.

Does anyone else think Hal seems a bit bitter?

 

[Satan]

Looking forward to efc coming out stating Hal is a disgruntled exemployee.

Does anyone else think Hal seems a bit bitter?

Could be another 34 plus if the swiss appeal fails

 

[mxett]

I found it outrageous that Hunter was even asked to pay for one day of court costs. He was asking for information that he was entitled to have, just because he wanted it. He shouldn't have to pay lawyers and court costs to get this information. He has a fundamental right to have it

theres a possibility the club had already handed over everything they had prior to any legal action. If that was the case I can understand why they would expect Hunter to pay for a court case that essentially wasnt required

 

[gutsroy]

theres a possibility the club had already handed over everything they had prior to any legal action. If that was the case I can understand why they would expect Hunter to pay for a court case that essentially wasnt required

Where that gets murky, though, is that (going off an interview with his legal representation, hopefully paraphrasing accurately) he received advice in June 2015 from one Essendon legal rep that all documents had been proffered. In August, a new legal rep indicated that there were additional documents after all. And when Essendon were then requested to go on affidavit affirming that all documents had been provided, what searches had been made, where the additional documents had been found, a statement then came instead and belatedly from the new legal rep indicating that he had made all enquiries of the club and had been told that these were the documents and there were no further documents.

In Hunter's position, how much faith would you have in the club and its legal rep?

 

[Slartibartfast]

The EFC are just playing him. No regard for Hal or his health.
Disgusting behaviour from Essendon.

 

[Sir Hugh Percy]

After three years of investigation and court battles/arbitration about what went on at Essendon, you'd think they would know damned well what documents they had pertaining to the whole fricken thing.

When Hunter asks for them, you either hand them over or, if he already has them, sign an affidavit saying you've got nothing else. Where does three months of legal costs come into it?

 

[Reppie]

The EFC are just playing him. No regard for Hal or his health.
Disgusting behaviour from Essendon.

Scumbaggery at it's finest.

 

[mxett]

Where that gets murky, though, is that (going off an interview with his legal representation, hopefully paraphrasing accurately) he received advice in June 2015 from one Essendon legal rep that all documents had been proffered. In August, a new legal rep indicated that there were additional documents after all. And when Essendon were then requested to go on affidavit affirming that all documents had been provided, what searches had been made, where the additional documents had been found, a statement then came instead and belatedly from the new legal rep indicating that he had made all enquiries of the club and had been told that these were the documents and there were no further documents.

In Hunter's position, how much faith would you have in the club and its legal rep?

Who authorised this new legal rep to inform Hal's legal rep that additional documents were available when the club never had additional documents to hand over? maybe this new legal rep was wrong. Maybe Hal's legal rep isnt being entirely honest

 

[mxett]

The EFC are just playing him. No regard for Hal or his health.
Disgusting behaviour from Essendon.

they handed Hal what they had long ago. What else would you like them to do?

 

[Cylon7]

Who authorised this new legal rep to inform Hal's legal rep that additional documents were available when the club never had additional documents to hand over? maybe this new legal rep was wrong. Maybe Hal's legal rep isnt being entirely honest

How about EFC chase up Dank in court and find out for Hal? Shouldn't that be EFC's duty of care for an 18 year old rookie?

For that matter, why aren't the AFL Commissioners chasing EFC for records?