2016 US Presidential Election - Trump vs Clinton? - Part 1

[Tulip]

Been doing some Sanders research to get up to speed. Impressive stuff, and not the kind of thing you expect from a 70 year old man which makes it even better.

Think Hillary's campaign has been a lesson in how bad PR can completely ruin a good thing. She looked a certainty and still has the entire media on her side, and yet somehow has no grassroots support.

Thought a string of three comments from this Guardian article were worth sharing here:

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time" - Lincoln

"Those who would make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable" - Kennedy

"Americans will always make the right decision - once they have exhausted all the alternatives" - Churchill

We've just got to hope he doesn't get assassinated if/before he wins. Its a genuine possibility.

 

[swingdog]

Heard a good podcast the other day on the McCain - Bush tussle in the primaries in 2000.

It's got Sanders - Clinton written all over it.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Need to get this going for 2016

 

[pjcrows]

Heard a good podcast the other day on the McCain - Bush tussle in the primaries in 2000.

It's got Sanders - Clinton written all over it.

Link?

 

[pjcrows]

Any good podcasts covering the primaries?

 

[Schraderbrau]

Any good podcasts covering the primaries?

"left, right and centre" is pretty good imo.Though it only goes for 1/2 hour, weekly.

 

[medusala]

Been doing some Sanders research to get up to speed. Impressive stuff, and not the kind of thing you expect from a 70 year old man which makes it even better.

Lol, the bloke is hopelessly delusional on all economic matters, he is just a mildly upmarket and honest version of Bob Brown . Jeremy Corbyn is not that different to him in the UK and is polling very poorly. That he is anywhere near Clinton just shows you how much people are disgusted with her.

Have you seen his website? I think you would struggle to equate many of his policies with social democdrats as per Europe, he is way out there.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/


We must pursue policies to transform this country into a nation that affirms the value of its people of color. That starts with addressing the five central types of violence waged against black, brown and indigenous Americans: physical, political, legal, economic and environmental.


Addressing Economic Violence

• We need to give our children, regardless of their race or income, a fair shot at attending college. That’s why all public universities should be made tuition free. We should pay for that with a tax on Wall Street speculators.
• We must invest $5.5 billion to create 1 million jobs for disadvantaged young Americans who face high unemployment rates and job-training opportunities for hundreds of thousands of young adults. We should pay for that by ending the loophole allowing Wall Street hedge fund managers to pay a lower tax rate than nurses or truck drivers.
• We must increase the minimum wage to a livable wage of $15 an hour by 2020 —which will increase the wages of about half of African-Americans and nearly 60 percent of Latinos

As President, Sen. Sanders will:

Continue the great work of the State Department’s Special Envoy for LGBT Rights and ensure the United States helps protect the rights of LGBT people around the world.

Veto any legislation that purports to “protect” religious liberty at the expense of others’ rights.

 

[Tulip]

Is it any better than overseeing a massive recession and just letting another one happen less than a decade later?

The economy is in freefall, and people have their heads in the sane because it seems inconceivable so soon after the GFC.

Would rather genuine reform, than someone who just panders to the people who run the thing.

 

[swingdog]

Link?

http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/whistlestop.html

 

[midorigreenwood]

Scalia bites the dust

Justice Obama for the lulz.

 

[swingdog]

Scalia bites the dust

Justice Obama for the lulz.

Big change - Obama really should be telling Ginsburg that she needs to retire so he can get 2 liberal appointees in before he goes. Otherwise, his achievements like healthcare and climate change regulations are going to always be under threat from a conservative bench.

 

[coerced]

Lol, the bloke is hopelessly delusional on all economic matters

Because the neoliberal economic orthodoxy of the past 40 years has delivered so much for average Americans.

 

[Schraderbrau]

This now becomes an interesting little sideshow for the next 10 months.

 

[pjcrows]

Lol, the bloke is hopelessly delusional on all economic matters, he is just a mildly upmarket and honest version of Bob Brown . Jeremy Corbyn is not that different to him in the UK and is polling very poorly. That he is anywhere near Clinton just shows you how much people are disgusted with her.

Have you seen his website? I think you would struggle to equate many of his policies with social democdrats as per Europe, he is way out there.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/


We must pursue policies to transform this country into a nation that affirms the value of its people of color. That starts with addressing the five central types of violence waged against black, brown and indigenous Americans: physical, political, legal, economic and environmental.


Addressing Economic Violence

• We need to give our children, regardless of their race or income, a fair shot at attending college. That’s why all public universities should be made tuition free. We should pay for that with a tax on Wall Street speculators.
• We must invest $5.5 billion to create 1 million jobs for disadvantaged young Americans who face high unemployment rates and job-training opportunities for hundreds of thousands of young adults. We should pay for that by ending the loophole allowing Wall Street hedge fund managers to pay a lower tax rate than nurses or truck drivers.
• We must increase the minimum wage to a livable wage of $15 an hour by 2020 —which will increase the wages of about half of African-Americans and nearly 60 percent of Latinos

As President, Sen. Sanders will:

Continue the great work of the State Department’s Special Envoy for LGBT Rights and ensure the United States helps protect the rights of LGBT people around the world.

Veto any legislation that purports to “protect” religious liberty at the expense of others’ rights.

How has the current mainstream view of economics worked out for most Americans?

 

[Elroo]

Scalia bites the dust

Justice Obama for the lulz.

Rafael Cruz and the Republicans have already announced that they'll block any person Obama nominates to the vacancy no matter how qualified they are.

 

[pjcrows]

Rafael Cruz and the Republicans have already announced that they'll block any person Obama nominates to the vacancy no matter how qualified they are.

How does that work? They can't do that.

 

[WA ROO]

Rafael Cruz and the Republicans have already announced that they'll block any person Obama nominates to the vacancy no matter how qualified they are.

So Hillary appoints the next SCJ
Just the same outcome
Every left wing cause de rigueur gets the rubber stamp from a friendly Supreme Court

2nd amendment will be first on the block

 

[Taylor]

How does that work? They can't do that.

I think their houses of government need to vote in any nominations.. And they don't have to vote in favor.

They are just being obstructionist, it is a game plan. Next they will say how Obama got nothing done.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Had a read of Sanders' plans to fund his promises. He's not going to survive to see that happen.

 

[Taylor]

If Sanders wins the democrat nomination I expect the huge money to flow to his opponent.

 

[The Speaker]

If Sanders wins the democrat nomination I expect the huge money to flow to his opponent.

Which one, Trump or Bloomberg?

 

[Taylor]

Which one, Trump or Bloomberg?

I don't think they will care, whoever will keep the nation geared to be for the people via super strong corporations (trickle down) as opposed to Sanders' vision of trickle up.

 

[Forward Press]

This is more important than the race for President.

Presidents only last for eight years maximum. A Supreme Court nomination is mostly for life, and this is the most conservative SC judge that kicked the bucket with Obama still having a year to go, with a few important ideological cases that may arise soon. A liberal bench for a generation would be an absolute nightmare compared to Clinton/Sanders for merely 4 years.

It will be interesting to see how the Republicans stall this, which no doubt they will with a Republican-controlled Congress. I suspect Obama will put forward a more moderate candidate (someone like Sri who was confirmed 97-0 in the Senate only two years ago), and see how obstructionist they can get.

 

[Taylor]

Why would it be a nightmare?

 

[Forward Press]

Why would it be a nightmare?

SCOTUS is not changed by the ballot box and not accountable for their decisions.

Before today it was almost always 4-4 ideological split with Kennedy as the swing judge. The leader of the conservative judges being replaced by a liberal judge would ensure more decisions like the gay marriage one which conservatives oppose.