who wants to be drafted to GWS?

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May 7, 2008
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Most teams have a mix, a sprinkling of elite players, a group of A graders making up the top 12 or 14 players at the club, B graders with the potential to be A graders or aging higher levels and the young developing players usually recent draftees.

Setting aside the quality of coaching, the jelling of players from a group of gifted players to a gifted team, what incentives do you have to join GWS.

Ross Lyon put it succinctly in a recent interview ... Freo has 2 top 10 draft choices in the time scale where GWS has taken 50.

So most teams have maybe those 12 to 14 Elite and A graders.

GWS has maybe a dozen elite players and the entire rest of their list is A graders ... many who would be playing senior football at any other club but they are stuck in the NEAFL because too many more developed A graders are ahead of them in the queue.

If you are drafted by GWS then unless you are already elite you are going to wait .. maybe spend 2 or 3 seasons of your short AFL career playing NEAFL before either squeezing into the seniors or being shoved off to some other club for draft choices. Look what they did with Carlton last year moving on 4 players just to improve draft order and get a front seat for future drafts.

Don't give us the bull of 'we win a big game and everyone starts on poor GWS' ... there has only been one successful club in the past 3 years Hawthorn ... and 5 of the past 15 premierships have been won by COLA clubs. The followers of all the Vic clubs, the South Australian clubs and the West Australian clubs have to do it the hard way, no hand outs...

and for most of us No Success either! nobody is trying to help St Kilda or the Bulldogs or Melbourne who havent seen success in 3 generations ... we get nothing ... meanwhile some of the most gifted players in the game are shuffled each year into the GWS reserves to be saved or traded off to other clubs whenever GWS needs a top up of draft choices ... again this year they will have 2 or 3 top 10 picks even if they win the premiership ... and those 2 or 3 picks might still end up playing in the Magoos for the next 5 years ...

If you go to GWS your career is likely to stutter no matter how good you are. As a team they may not yet be a well oiled machine yet but they are stacked with A graders so you will be well back in the queue.

So the AFL wants a National Competition so the rights glean more money ... they want the teams in the non football states to be very successful so they stack the deck against the traditional states and care nothing for their supporters or for the careers of young players forced into a club where they may never play a game.

Sydney fans will never adopt GWS, they are a Rugby state ... if Sydney Swans lose 3 games in a row you can hear the crickets chirping in the outer as the fickle faithful (hypocrisy maybe from a Richmond person like me) don't turn up in their droves. Why penalize the millions of us who actually care about our clubs to give a boost to a club with more staff than supporters.
 

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So this is an anti-expansion rant.
Who cares? The media executives who pay through the nose for a national sport and the AFL and clubs that take their money.
 
The whole thing is a joke. There's countless geniune A grade talent (top 10 draft picks) just rotting away in the NEAFL, when instead they would be getting a game every week at other clubs and putting on a show and entertaining fans.

We, the fans suffer because we don't get the chance to see all the young talent that the AFL has to offer.

But hey, apparently the only way to get a 'National Game' is to throw equality out the window and make a mockery of any integrity that the AFL has left.
 
If you're an established player out of contract and think your club isn't premiership ready, GWS is a good option. Don't think they will win this year but they will probably win a couple within the next 5 years.
 
You could come up with reasons why players don't want to be drafted to many clubs, but "they're too good" is one that doesn't get thrown around too often...

You would think if you were a young gun who rates himself, you would want to go where the best are and prove yourself better than them.

This hysteria over GWS is overblown, if they turn out to be a gun side (which looks likely but then again it doesn't look likely GCS are going to be a gun side anytime soon) then good, I want to watch gun sides and want to watch my team play them and hopefully beat them. Much better than watching RichvPiesvBluesvEss forever......
 

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The whole thing is a joke. There's countless geniune A grade talent (top 10 draft picks) just rotting away in the NEAFL, when instead they would be getting a game every week at other clubs and putting on a show and entertaining fans.

We, the fans suffer because we don't get the chance to see all the young talent that the AFL has to offer.

But hey, apparently the only way to get a 'National Game' is to throw equality out the window and make a mockery of any integrity that the AFL has left.
Surely if the talent is that good it's going to be targeted by 17 other opposition clubs? GWS get picks in return or the guys walk.
 
You could come up with reasons why players don't want to be drafted to many clubs, but "they're too good" is one that doesn't get thrown around too often...
well if you knew you were good and weren't gonna get a game and probably be paid 150k when you could be getting 400k as a star at another team maybe you'd consider moving away from the slums of sydney
 
The AFL made a bold statement taking the game to Western Sydney and Gold Coast.
For marketing purposes, given that was the original goal of the expansion; it has failed.

The true failure will be massively evident in a decades time, when they can't win a game and linger at the bottom forevermore.
 
Chad Wingard didnt, and I imagine he will be kicking himself in the next couple of years because of that decision
He has played in a few finals already and nearly made the granny, already All-Australian. Think he's doing okay.

The AFL made a bold statement taking the game to Western Sydney and Gold Coast.
For marketing purposes, given that was the original goal of the expansion; it has failed.

The true failure will be massively evident in a decades time, when they can't win a game and linger at the bottom forevermore.

Incorrect? There are a few thousand (now) members of clubs that otherwise wouldn't be - which means there are thousands more who aren't paying to watch AFL. This is only going to grow in time. Please explain why the two clubs will be perpetual failures on-field??
 
The AFL made a bold statement taking the game to Western Sydney and Gold Coast.
For marketing purposes, given that was the original goal of the expansion; it has failed.

The true failure will be massively evident in a decades time, when they can't win a game and linger at the bottom forevermore.

Why are we going to abolish the draft and salary cap?
 
In what world is making "a few finals" a success? "nearly" made the granny.

Wow thats a mediocre attitude to things.
You serious mate? Didn't make out like it was the ultimate success story but it's certainly more than GWS have achieved over the same timeframe. I'm just comparing what's really out there now and not some fuzzy dream.
 
You serious mate? Didn't make out like it was the ultimate success story but it's certainly more than GWS have achieved over the same timeframe. I'm just comparing what's really out there now and not some fuzzy dream.

No worries mate, open your eyes and see that GWS will win a flag a hell of a lot sooner than port Adelaide. its not about what they have done, its about what they will do.

They will dominate the competition. Ask Hawthorn about it
 
Another Victorian whinge. How unsurprising.

Why the **** should the success or lack thereof of teams like St Kilda or the Bulldogs be relevant? Those teams had the same opportunities as Hawthorn and Geelong. Now if GWS are to blame for their lack of success, then are GWS also responsible for Geelong and Hawthorn being such great sides? No, Geelong and Hawthorn just did things right.

1. Good club management.
2. Good culture.
3. Good drafting.
4. Good coaching.

If any club is at the bottom, it's because of they've stuffed up one or more of these. Hawthorn and Geelong had no academies of COLA. Geelong got lucky with a couple of father/sons and Hawthorn got priority picks, but those are minor advantages. They took them and turned them into gold, with great cultures and coaching, and won multiple flags.

Stop looking at other clubs and finding excuses for your failures. Look at them and work out what's been done wrong, and what could be done better.

Now GWS looks good, and everyone cries. I remember when they came into the comp and tried to trade for quality senior players, and Eddie threatened to burn the club to the ground if they took any of Collingwoods players. He mocked them, called it the "land of the felafel" (racist... no surprise), and basically talked down the place saying no-one would want to go there. All the Vic clubs had the chance to trade players for the picks GWS got gifted, but no-one was willing to. Well, you made your bed. GWS took their beatings over a few seasons, coming in last, getting belted by 100 points week in, week out, because all they had was kids. Now they've developed those kids, and held on to their picks, and they're going to dominate for a while. Good for them.

It makes me happy that the arrogance and incompetence of the "Big 4" sees them sitting at the bottom. Don't blame GWS. Just be a better club.
 

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