Thank god Michael Bowers is not our CEO

[ozzyoslo]

Originally Posted by Horace

Ozzyoslo, when Captain Bucket shuts up I will shut up. If he keeps on posting on this thread on something he knows nothing about (the demise of the Fitzroy Football Club), then I will keep on responding. It is as simple as that.

And just as he knows nothing about the demise of Fitzroy, dare I say it neither do you.

Take a look at what Twinkletoes posted about his father. He is in football’s no mans land, unable to follow the club he loves, yet unable also to let the game go that gave him so much.. He is not alone there are many other old Royboys in this category.

Take a look at TOD’s mother-in-law. I have an image of her burnt into my brain, getting up on stage with the other board members to address meeting after meeting, to communicate what the Fitzroy Football Club was trying to achieve through a merger with North. She was the consummate deputy to Dyson Hore-Lacy, loyal to the end. It was no picnic for them let me tell you and it has left its scars both financially and emotionally on nearly all of them. I don’t think she even follows football today such was the impact on her. TOD will correct me if I am wrong.

Go and have a look at the thread “Why is there a Fitzroy Board” on the Fitzroy board and you will see the passion and the hurt there. Read Dyson’s book Fitzroy and Adam Muyt’s book Maroon and Blue and see the passion and hurt there.

And you know what ozzy, that was nearly our club two years ago. And do you know something else, ozzy, you would not have a clue just how the loss of your club, our club would affect you, until it was gone. All I can say is that everyone reacts differently, however, mad as it might seem to many, I don’t think there is one of us whose lives have been quite the same again.

So don’t tell me to shut up ozzy on an issue like this.

Horace Im not telling you to shut up, just hoping that you would ease down alittle in the process ....thats all man. You dont need to attack buckets any more and unfortunately its not going to bring back Fitzroy ......as I stated, you come through gracefully knocking out all of buckets comments with facts and style:- you have the higher ground and other people here have applauded you (me included) but to finish it off by saying buckets has nothing to offer in the room here period is quite harsh.

Yes he definately displayed a lack of tact/info on his post. But he probably isn't an ex-Fitzroy supporter/member.

I have no doubt that the power people of the league (back then) made a consious decision to "cleanse" the league of the minnows/financially insecure clubs and they definately didn't care who they hurt in that process.... I had forgotten about my opinions on said matters and was grateful to be reminded of what happened back then by people like yourself and the others with factual info.And in retrospect it indeed did nearly happen again to Nth. (thus probably the reason this post was posted here and the history lesson began)
Theres no doubt you've passion on the topic but I think you made a point now that whatever Captainbuckets posts her in the Nth room in the future, they will be classed as tripe and negatively addressed because of his uninformed comments on the Fitzroy footy club.
I havn't gone for a troll in the fitzroy or brissy rooms but I will have a read and respect whats been posted as I definately do not know all of the facts but I do know that there is lessons to be learnt from history.

Do I know buckets.........no
Did he try to say sorry ..........yes quote " I guess it was a bad day to start on giving up cigarettes" ........something to that extent

piss poor effort for a "sorry" I know but it was an attempt,
you will definately see it as an excuse for his poor judgement/tact in his post.


Bounce the up and play the game.

[ozzyoslo]

Horace...........I only address one post at a time ......after finishing my reply to you I started to read buckets later posts.....


You brings the sticks and matches and I'll bring the stones.........

Buckets you're a tool

[DarkPhoenix]

That wasnt an attempt at saying sorry in my book. Sounds more like an "Im getting reamed by everyone in this thread, wish i had some lube to ease the pain" type statement.

[ozzyoslo]

Originally Posted by DarkPhoenix

That wasnt an attempt at saying sorry in my book. Sounds more like an "Im getting reamed by everyone in this thread, wish i had some lube to ease the pain" type statement.

tears in my eyes ................GOLD

[north_lad]

I've always been a North fan but I actually really get a kick out seeing Brisbane in the Fitzroy colours when they play in Melbourne. I was only a kid when the merger took place but I felt incredibly sorry for the 'Roys. Reading this thread has actually provided great insight into the whole thing, I look forward to investigating further.

Although he is about as erudite as a mentally crippled goat, I do agree with la roux both about our current logo and the new Brisbane one - awful. That new guernsey design is ****ing appalling!

[la roux]

Originally Posted by snrub

Yeah design theory has changed somewhat since the 1960s, which is when I assume you went through art school. You seem to be stuck in an era before the invention of colour printers. But even then, Silhouette was not the important thing... it was the ability to transform the logo into a monotone.

"design theory" *chortle* and colour printing was invented when? 1995? God that's after "smells like teen spirit"!

Originally Posted by DarkPhoenix

Im still trying to work out what silhoutte appearance has to do with how good our logo is.

Our new logo is weak looking, and indistinct because it has no strong kangaroo type shape, or vertical stripes. Yes I know they're both in there, but they're all mushed together into a blob. Unlike the old school logos or say the boxing kangaroo from the America's Cup campaigns

What snrub fails to understand, despite his new fangled 21st century education, is that a logotype needs a strong identifiable outline to be successfully "read", particularly from a distance. In other words, if all the colour and even the monotonality (there you go snrub) is is taken out of the equation, and the logo is still recognisable, then the branding still works

check out the harley logo, fill it in and the shape is still recognisable. Same with the WWF logo

The old NM logos did this too. The new one doesn't. Which is why I'm going to get about six of these suckers for christmas

[numchuks]

seems like you have an impressive graphic knowledge laroux.

if you could be bothered, i'd be really intrested in seeing what kind of alternative you could come up with for our logo

[Homeless]

Originally Posted by numchuks

seems like you have an impressive graphic knowledge laroux.

if you could be bothered, i'd be really intrested in seeing what kind of alternative you could come up with for our logo

I was just about to ask the same thing

[The Other Dean]

Originally Posted by la roux

For mine, it's a bit rich our lot, getting stuck into a NM fan on our own board over ****ing Brisbane. We're not Richmond FFS.

The ex-Fitzroy people that the Captain is having a disagreement with are North people, too, though.

And as TT said, he's lobbed on this thread and, in rather brash and ignorant fashion, proceeded to disrespect the hell out of something very close to their hearts.

I don't reckon the Richmond call is particularly relevant.

Originally Posted by la roux

I've always had a lot of time for the comraderie of this board but WTF has captain whatever done, except express his his total lack of give a **** about Brisbane Lions/Fitzroy Footy club?

Maybe people's minds are still drifting back to that time when the Captain expressed his total lack of give a **** about the North Melbourne Football Club.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpo...4&postcount=30

Yep, that's right, the total destruction of our great club....just so he'd be able to see his team play 12 times a year.

"...it's as good a reason as any."

Lulz.

Okay, granted, that was a while ago now, but you could argue that perhaps it points to a bit of a gap in understanding on matters of football club heritage.

Originally Posted by la roux

Also shanonite, Ninthmond and Essenscum have jumper designs derived from the same heraldic tradition, their style is known as "bend sinister" (hi Fall fans, I know you're out there!)

We are.

Although it's not one of their best albums, I'd have to say.

[mark73]

Originally Posted by la roux

1st of all I resemble the implication that we've had a couple of poof years, not that there's anything wrong with that.

And yeah the new NM logo is so cool I've got one tattoed on my ass

For mine, it's a bit rich our lot, getting stuck into a NM fan on our own board over ****ing Brisbane. We're not Richmond FFS. I've always had a lot of time for the comraderie of this board but WTF has captain whatever done, except express his his total lack of give a **** about Brisbane Lions/Fitzroy Footy club? It's a great thing that any ex-Fitzroy people have found their way here, but if i was them I'd be following the Lions, not North.

On GF day 2001, I stood and cried with this old lady from next door who waited 57 years to see another premiership. Her son-in-law is a pies fan. Ha! loser! We sank a lot of piss that day. but WTF do we owe Fitzroy? Nothing, except respect for their excellent history as the very 1st VFL premiers, with their 8 premierships total (9 including VFA).

And where would you like to start failonite? You're lucky I'm listening to
Metallica right now and even give a shit about replying to your half-assed attempt at highlighting my "complete lack of knowledge"

The ace thing about the (not so) old Lions logo



is that it is heraldic, or a "herald of arms" in origin.

A herald, not that you would know, is a messenger sent to convey proclamations such as, "we're going to kick your ass when you come down to Brunswick Street oval, you sorry sack of shit". The herald would wear his "tabard" (medieval footy jumper) when sent out to make his proclamation.

The style of the Fitzroy herald is called a "lion passant" which means a left facing lion, walking, with the right fore paw raised (or sitting on a goddamn footy for christ sake) and all other paws on the ground.

This means shanonite, that an ancient history of heraldic symbols lies behind the Fitzroy Lions logo.

Interestingly, the Brisbane administration claims to be appealing to a new generation by adjusting the logo, but in fact they're just using another style of herald, known as a "lion passant gardant" in which it's facing towards the viewer, rather than to the left. The "lion passant gardant" is found on the coats of arms of such nations as, England!

Variations exist on the coats of arms of Scotland, Jerusalem, Tibet, Spain, Norway the list goes on. Brisbane are just employing some ordinary design skill, to bollocks up some cool stuff for nought.

Also shanonite, Ninthmond and Essenscum have jumper designs derived from the same heraldic tradition, their style is known as "bend sinister" (hi Fall fans, I know you're out there!), a sash that goes from left to right, still shit that I wouldn't wipe my ass with though.

As far as our newish logo goes, it's a fail and there's no denying it. Just because it's ours does not automatically make it good. It's a horse designed by committee. One basic rule of graphic design is that a logo should be recognisable in silhouette. What are you going to do? For instance...

Q. which footy player is represented by the Footy Show logo?



A. Jack Dyer



How do we know? Because this is competent basic, graphic design, where the shape of the original image is preserved. By the good people at Momentum Animation I believe

Compare the silhouette of one of our classic logos to the current logo:



SHIT. GRAPHIC. DESIGN.

That's all that's happening at Brisbane. That's all that's going on at North.

Now that I'm onto The Temptations "Just My Imagination", I no longer care what you think. Better luck next time

Annnyyyywwwaaayyy , I could swear the same poster posted for quite a while as Unlisted or Gold Coast, but don't quote me on either because I honestly don't recall which way it swings, but it certainly wasn't North Melbourne. If I Were A Carpenter, or even a Moderator, I would've banned it anyway just for being a **** **** **** **** **** **** guy.


But this is the second time Brisbane have picked out a ****. The problem with people like Bowers and Noel Gordon is they're not football people. They have no idea of the make up of a football club, and even less idea about sentiment. Their idea is to bully people into getting their own way. I'll never forget the night the merger was announced and Casey virtually wished them all the best while the other prick is sitting there making smartarse remarks. Even after all these years I still want to belt the **** out of that bastard. Or in the least hold him down while someone else shaves off his poor attempt at a "Skunk" Baxter-like moustache.

[la roux]

Originally Posted by numchuks

seems like you have an impressive graphic knowledge laroux.

if you could be bothered, i'd be really intrested in seeing what kind of alternative you could come up with for our logo

Originally Posted by Homeless

I was just about to ask the same thing

1st of all, I'm not a graphic designer's a-hole. Just an interested observer. I don't know art school but I know what I like. I've got the utmost repect for those graphic necromancers, it's a super tough gig. As is evidenced by the debate over the Lions logo, our logo and what it really means to people. For instance Collingwood totally changed their strip a while ago from a white jumper with black stripes to a black jumper with white. Subtle but very different. What's most amusing is the double-speak from Eddie trying to convince everyone that they've never changed!! Double plus **** that!

When the remodelling of our logo occurred, I think it would have been great for the powers that be, to put some faith in the powerful symbols that we already have at our disposal. The shape of a kangaroo in profile, and the strong solid royal blue stripes. Sure the old logos probably need sprucing up from time to time, but it's a shame to throw out the baby with the bath water

Which is also why some of us hate the pale blue away strip. The Argentina strip is a work of art. Ours, i don't know. I thought our traditional Royal Blue, with sky blue instead of white, or grey instead of white would have been cool. But whatever. In the past I've pShopped up some pix and posted them to the club, but when Dimwitriou has the final say, what do we expect?

Our new logo is not super bad, it's just not as strong as the older style ones. So, I guess call me a traditionalist, but I reckon it would be a subtle variation of one of the older sort. But hey this is just my opinion, I'm never going to stop loving North because of this.

Originally Posted by The Other Dean

The ex-Fitzroy people that the Captain is having a disagreement with are North people, too, though.

And as TT said, he's lobbed on this thread and, in rather brash and ignorant fashion, proceeded to disrespect the hell out of something very close to their hearts.

I don't reckon the Richmond call is particularly relevant.

Maybe people's minds are still drifting back to that time when the Captain expressed his total lack of give a **** about the North Melbourne Football Club.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpo...4&postcount=30

Yep, that's right, the total destruction of our great club....just so he'd be able to see his team play 12 times a year.

"...it's as good a reason as any."

Lulz.

Okay, granted, that was a while ago now, but you could argue that perhaps it points to a bit of a gap in understanding on matters of football club heritage.

Yep, I know a lot of old Fitzroy people too, the last thing I'd want to do is appear to be dancing on the grave of a proud club like Fitzroy. In fact one of my favourite footy memories was being in the ponsford when they tipped Collingwood out of the finals in '80-whatever. Lots of tears that day.

If any 'Roy loving folk have taken offence at anything I've said, then I do humbly apologise.

We are.

Although it's not one of their best albums, I'd have to say.

Yeah baby, 50,000 can't be wrong. Saw the northern poet and band at the ole greek yonks ago. It was cool... sort of. I think they'd lost it by then. (No Brix either)

[RoyalBlue]

I am a bit of a logo nut, and I like the current logo.

I understand people like the 80s and 90s logo, I do too, but the one it directly replaced was shite.

[DarkPhoenix]

FWIW, imo if you "fill in" the old shield logo it just looks like a .... shield, unrecognisable in the extreme.

I like the current logo, i liked the one before it, and the one before that. They all made me happy to be part of the NMFC.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by snrub

Yeah design theory has changed somewhat since the 1960s, which is when I assume you went through art school. You seem to be stuck in an era before the invention of colour printers. But even then, Silhouette was not the important thing... it was the ability to transform the logo into a monotone.

You clearly know nothing about visual arts.

I am a 3D animator and one principle when looking at a pose is wether it will translate it's desired information as a solid colour (i.e, Silhouette). This is certainly a medium developed after the colour printer.

la roux is completely correct. This is just how humans work, and it has taken thousands of years of refinement to 'discover' rules of visual art. Rules are made to be broken, but if you break them, then you would want a reason to. Randomly breaking rules is a sign of amateuristic ignorance, not a sign of development in a more enlightened era.

Most modern logos look like arse, ours included. I never understood why the kangaroo is smooth but the tail jagged? Just because the designer thought it would look more 'interesting'?

No thought or effort, but I bet whoever made it wrote up a flashy document poorly justifying every aspect of it.

[DarkPhoenix]

This threads starting to look like a bad episode of the Gruen Transfer.