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Wiz's predictions for 2004 draftees

http://www.voy.com/51976/2983.html

Now those doubting Thomases can see that it's just not Collingwood picked players who he may have ended up higher than their actual drafted position in his personal list of draftees. It's even a Carlton player who has achieved "THE bargain of the draft" status!

And before this turns into another Wisbey bashing thhread, yes, it is just one man's opinion, and yes, he has been wrong before, so chill out if your player has something listed that you disagree about.

Just good for a read, so enjoy!

BTW, I'm 99% sure he rated Betts at number 12, hence the clash with Eckerman.
 

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Re: Wiz's predictions for 2004 draftees

And his previous 2001, 2002, 2003 opinions are also on Hotrod's board.

Any moron who's ever said that he intentionally changes his opinions after the draft to support Collingwood players, should read his 2002 summary!
 
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Scottroo said:
Whats he mean by vanilla sized
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The term "Vanilla Midget", or vanillas, is what we've used to refer to standard 6' and under midfielders.

Collingwood has had, and probably still has, too many vanillas (ie. six foot midfielders, generally without any notable flair).
 
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FIGJAM said:
And his previous 2001, 2002, 2003 opinions are also on Hotrod's board.

Any moron who's ever said that he intentionally changes his opinions after the draft to support Collingwood players, should read his 2002 summary!
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That's when he released them prior to the draft. From 2003 onwards they have been post-draft. And Collingwood have apparently been the masters of draft day. :rolleyes:

I enjoy his profiles (though he didn't do many this year), but his credibility has taken a dive sinc ehe started releasing them post-draft.
 
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superstar said:
That's when he released them prior to the draft. From 2003 onwards they have been post-draft. And Collingwood have apparently been the masters of draft day. :rolleyes:

I enjoy his profiles (though he didn't do many this year), but his credibility has taken a dive sinc ehe started releasing them post-draft.
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If you say so mate!

I know the guy and he's a straight shooter. He releases his summaries post draft. Has done for years. Pre 2003, he provided information on specific players when asked about them.

He stated with certainty that we drafted ******** in 2002, for one simple reason...WE DID!!

As for not providing information before the draft last year, was because he's been paid to provide information to other clubs. Otherwise I know he would.

As for our 2003 or 2004 players being rated higher than they should be (in your opinion), Billy Morrison and Brent Hall were both touted as being top 20 picks by many sources, so there's no irregularity there. Julian Rowe might have been picked up at pick 60, but he's thus far been in the top ten best performed kids from his draft, so it's not entirely unreasonable that Colin's ranking at pick 32 was not manipulated after the fact.

This year he picked Chris Egan as being worth pick 11 and we got him at 10...hardly a bargain and indeed it infers that Colin would have preferred at least one other kid than Egan (FWIW it was Thomson who went to Port). He only knew Rusling on the grapevine! As for Iaccobucci getting a decent rating, it was higher than any pre-draft ranking I saw, but the kid's supposedly extremely solid (and injury prone which saw him slide down somewhat).

So there's only two examples of Colin ranking Collingwood blokes higher than where they went. Just so you understand; TWO! One is a second year kid already in our best 22 (if not best 18) and looking the goods, the other hasn't even had a chance to play yet.

Colin might have an extremely weird hobby, but he takes a lot of pride in it. He wouldn't cheat himself when it comes to these things, and he definitely would tell us when we've drafted kids who aren't up to it. He's done it before, so show some respect!
 
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FIGJAM said:
As for not providing information before the draft last year, was because he's been paid to provide information to other clubs. Otherwise I know he would.
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I think Colin has made it abundantly clear - in response to criticism - that this is not the case.
you must know him very well.
 

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Crow-mosone said:
then why has he come on big footy and stated that it is not?
Could it be you're making stuff up.
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He may have done so in 2002 or 2003, but not last year. I don't recall him ever posting here, but if he did, it would have to have been in 02 or 03 at the latest.

He posted on the Bullet In Board, towards the end of 2004, that he was providing information to at least one club, and that he was paid for his information.

Don't call me a liar when I'm merely passing on information.
 

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Re: Wiz's predictions for 2004 draftees

Wouldn't surprise me if one of them was Port.
 
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Porthos said:
Wouldn't surprise me if one of them was Port.
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I wouldn't be surprised if one was Norf. He hasn't had a bad word to say about their recruiting in 2 years (us either, but he has stated that Judkins didn't want his reviews, even when offered for free!).

Plus his rave review of 22 year old Norf rookie Justin Perkins. And it seems like something Norf would do. They think outside the square and don't let egos run the club. Plus, might minimise costs.

That said, an outsourced opinion is just that; an opinion. The recruiting manager will have his own strong opinion and if he wants a kid who Colin disagrees with then he'll get him.

I'd personally want all the views I could get if I was a recruiting manager, especially if independant and not just recruiters talking to each other, which could be taken with a grain of salt. Risk management basically. When you're flipping coins as to which one of player a, b and c to get, a disagreeing opinion might sway the choice in the right direction.

The draft is sometimes referred to as a lottery, which can be true in part, but there is definitely a degree of control. Diversify!
 
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GOALden Hawk said:
I'll back FIGJAM up, he definitely said it.
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ok good enough for me. I'll accept that he said that.

I'll also refer you to recent posts where he has backed away from that at a 1000 miles an hour.

interesting...
 
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Crow-mosone said:
ok good enough for me. I'll accept that he said that.

I'll also refer you to recent posts where he has backed away from that at a 1000 miles an hour.
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Just so you know how annoying it is when someone does this on a message board to you; the burden of proof is now on you, otherwise you're lying.
 
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FIGJAM said:
Just so you know how annoying it is when someone does this on a message board to you; the burden of proof is now on you, otherwise you're lying.
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listen weasel, I am pretty sure it was on here. when being called out for the conflicting misinformation some feel he distributes to enhance his reputation.

I might remind you, you have provided no evidence of these comments, I have agreed to accept them as a more credible source has reported also being aware of them.

I might also point out, that whether he is paid or takes instruction from an AFL cub, is quite fundamental to the credibility question. That he has said this somewhere in the ether of the past, and has not repeated it since under close scrutiny is not the most reassuring of behaviours. It certainly does not answer the question of whether these claims are indeed true.
 
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Crow-mosone said:
listen weasel, I am pretty sure it was on here. when being called out for the conflicting misinformation some feel he distributes to enhance his reputation.

I might remind you, you have provided no evidence of these comments, I have agreed to accept them as a more credible source has reported also being aware of them.

I might also point out, that whether he is paid or takes instruction from an AFL cub, is quite fundamental to the credibility question. That he has said this somewhere in the ether of the past, and has not repeated it since under close scrutiny is not the most reassuring of behaviours. It certainly does not answer the question of whether these claims are indeed true.
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If it was on here, then it certainly wasn't recently. Perhaps you can do a search and prove me wrong. Source??

The only reason I'm asking you to find them, is so you have a vague appreciation of how irritating it is to have someone question your integrity, and then have the nerve to use an internet message board post as sufficient proof (it's not like they're fricken court records)! I despise people asking for "sources".

I simply can't provide evidence. It's fortunante that GOALden backed me up. I'm glad you see him as being more credible than me, but despite the fact that there are some Grade A liers and general idiots around here, there are some of us who are adults and don't make ******** up. I'm one of them!

As for Wiz coming on here explaining himself, I'd suggest it wasn't this year. Might have been end '03, although again, I don't remember it. At that time, he may well have stated truthfully that he wasn't providing info to clubs, because it was just three months ago that I (and GH) heard otherwise.

Eitherway, let's just let the matter rest.
 
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