Sam Sheldon

[TheGeneral]

Originally Posted by Warwick

You don't need to convince us about your insecurities.

Run along now.

Why would anyone be about insecure about losing Sheldon?

That type of player isn't very hard to find.

Does he have a brother?

[Warwick]

Well done. If you are intent on convincing us Carlton have done the right thing, go some place else.

We really don't care. I'll just check the stats to compare Sheldon and Benjamin - won't be a sec.

Yep, found them:

Sheldon: 0 games, 0 goals, average possesions = 0, average marks = 0, average tackles = 0.

Benjamin: 0 games, 0 goals, average possessions = 0, average marks = 0, average tackles = 0.

Pretty close at the moment.

[SunKing]

Burn.

The fact that carlton supporters are here in the sheldon thread being defensive and cloaking their fears in silly flippant comments says it all.

[Quigley]

Originally Posted by In_Like_Flint

Is Sam a better talent than Mark Austin?

There's only 16 days between the two but Mark has played senior footy in the same team as Gibbs and done well. We had the chance to take Sam again at pick 51 but we still passed and picked Benjamin who has more upside and pace to burn.

I wouldn't give up Joseph Anderson either.

Are you referring to his cousin Tom Sheldon?

Firstly I don't have any problems with Flint and I have enjoyed some of his posts on the draft board. On Sam, the kid has had a good first hit out and admittedly it was only a practice match but I am relying on the football gods (any TMQ fans might be more familiar with the football gods and their rules eg the likelihood of a win is inversely proportionate to the size of the team's cheerleaders costumes) squaring us up from last year. The kid looks like he belongs and will be a player. I beg to differ with you though that you can easily find 17 year olds who can step in and make an immediate impression like he has. He has reasonable height for a mid, pretty good athletic ability, good skills, can read the game well and has an eye for goal. Most teams find these sort of players rather more difficult to get hold of than you seem to think.

Of the guys you picked Austin is not expected to show anything for a while and he hasn't. Anderson has looked pretty good from what I understand but in regard to Benjamin I always get a good laugh when people talk about upside in a draftee. It is a euphermism for a good athlete with no skills and no idea how to play the game. Good luck with that with Benjamin.

How about we agree to compare notes at midseason and see how the respective guys are going.

On the brother thing I thought I had read somewhere that he had a brother coming through but I might easily have been mistaken there.

[xplo]

Yeah, not sure about Benjamin -- sounds challenging -- but I like Joey Anderson at the National Championships. Wouldn't have been displeased to have picked him up.

Regardless, when we drafted Sammy 3 months ago, I think we had good reason to assume he'd play the year out at Suncoast, and might get a look in sometime next year if his form is there. One match in, most who watched him play seem sure he'll play this year.

That alone is reason for optimism.

[TheGeneral]

Originally Posted by Quigley

Firstly I don't have any problems with Flint and I have enjoyed some of his posts on the draft board. On Sam, the kid has had a good first hit out and admittedly it was only a practice match but I am relying on the football gods (any TMQ fans might be more familiar with the football gods and their rules eg the likelihood of a win is inversely proportionate to the size of the team's cheerleaders costumes) squaring us up from last year. The kid looks like he belongs and will be a player. I beg to differ with you though that you can easily find 17 year olds who can step in and make an immediate impression like he has. He has reasonable height for a mid, pretty good athletic ability, good skills, can read the game well and has an eye for goal. Most teams find these sort of players rather more difficult to get hold of than you seem to think.

Compared to an athletic tall like Austin who was very good as a 16 year old before he broke his leg, they're a lot more common. Houli and Moss are approximately the same size as Sheldon and rated higher because they have the score on the board becasue they played at the championships. We have Blackwell to come into the team and he's a similar size to the aforementioned players.

No major loss or karma there and Sam might want out like Hooper.

I'm confident Wayne Hughes will pick another Austin with the pick we may have used on Sheldon.

Of the guys you picked Austin is not expected to show anything for a while and he hasn't.

Austin's impressed alot of trackwatchers(and maybe even his teammates) with the way he hasn't shown any fear of the contest and contested the ball backing back into the pack. That's pretty impressive for a skinny kid of just 17 and he looks to be a very likely type after he did the same in the SANFL last year.

We drafted him because we needed a defender and we know he's further away than some of the midfielders, but so is Leuenberger given the nature of the position he play.

Anderson has looked pretty good from what I understand but in regard to Benjamin I always get a good laugh when people talk about upside in a draftee. It is a euphermism for a good athlete with no skills and no idea how to play the game. Good luck with that with Benjamin.

That doesn't apply to Benjamin though who fell into our laps after clubs drafted for need last year and he has his fans on alot of forums.

[Quigley]

Compared to an athletic tall like Austin who was very good as a 16 year old before he broke his leg, they're a lot more common. Houli and Moss are approximately the same size as Sheldon and rated higher because they have the score on the board becasue they played at the championships. We have Blackwell to come into the team and he's a similar size to the aforementioned players.


I would point out that you need more of those smaller guys. You only need 4 or 5 of those key position guys on the field at once. You need a lot more of those smaller guys and the more quality that you have on the field the more wins you are going to get. And since when is having someone the same size any indication of anything. As I understand it about half your squad is over 190 cm already so you haven't had too much trouble finding taller guys. Finding quality at any position has been a problem for Carlton for a while. I agree others had more runs on the board but Sam looks like being a quality addition to the team. What you did in juniors means nothing once you step up to play with the big boys.

No major loss or karma there and Sam might want out like Hooper.

and Gibbs might get hit by a bus and Murphy might decide that the sunshine looks pretty good after the madhouse that is Carlton at the moment.

On a serious note though if I was a Carlton supporter I would be hoping Murphy picks another role model. From what I have heard some of his family haven't been that impressed with the amount of time recently that he has been hanging out with Fev. A worse role model I couldn't think of.

Anyway it is going to be a fair while before we can make any definitive judgements on who has done what. On Sam though take it as a given that we have been impressed with his start.

[danielcan]

[scott522]

maybe he'll be another "Fly"...

[Quigley]

Originally Posted by scott522

maybe he'll be another "Fly"...

We could hope.

[Grimreepah]

Sheldon ended up missing about 11 weeks with that broken leg (originally diagnosed as a 6 week injury IIRC). Good to hear he played well in his first game back.

[TheBrownDog]

Kicked an absolute gem of a goal vs Southport.

[notting18]

So far it seems that he has shown quite a bit in what most people saw a "transition year", even with the injury - seeing as the club seemed to take him late in 06 instead of higher in 07!

[davey_23]

Originally Posted by Grimreepah

Sheldon ended up missing about 11 weeks with that broken leg (originally diagnosed as a 6 week injury IIRC). Good to hear he played well in his first game back.

God he looks thin there, lock him in the gym.

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

exactly what I was thinking !