Thoughts from Crows V Swans game

macca23 · Mar 4, 2005

Be interested on hearing other people's thoughts on the game from those who were there.

Conditions were terrible, as it never stopped raining, but it was played very competitively and pretty close all night.

We still have a lot of problems up forward, but there's nothing wrong with the effort our players are putting in.

With a 10 man bench, Craig would have set a record number of interchanges IMO as he just kept rotating up to 6 players at once, irrespective of the state of the game. Senior players were given more time off the ground tha would normally be the case, particularly in the last quarter

Back with some thoughts on individual players shortly.

Blue Red and Gold · Mar 4, 2005

I posted this on the score thread but I will cut and paste it here.

Ok well I guess a win is a win, but christ it was an ugly one!

Gotta say the crowd was pretty good considering the weather which was bloody horrible, very difficult conditions.

My best was Bassett, he was great down back, showed so much courage on numerous occasions even running back with the flight of the ball into a leading Big Bad Bazza on several occasions and taking the mark.

Bazza had a shocker, Rutten was one of my best aswell, Bock started on him and did pretty well and then Rutten was moved to him. Truck gave him nothing and was so cool down back, took some good marks, all in all a great display by him.

Mattner, had a bit of a dodgy first 1qtr but his 3rd qtr was unreal and really turned the match, his tackling, chasing and desperation was great. I really like him, he is just exciting, even when he is ********ing up. His bump on Maxwell to dispose him off the ball for Goodwin to kick a goal was awesome.

Stiffy played a great game, looked solid down back and I initially wanted him to play up forward but I now think he is better use down back. Didnt play much in the second half but his 1st half was great.

Macca played a great game in patches, his goal on half time was pretty much the Macca of old. I look forward to seeing him produce something special this season.

Still frustrating we are going so wide, I was impressed with Mattner because he seemed to be one of the few who would kick it back into the corridor. Alot of ********ty chipping about especially in the 4th qtr, Im not sure if this is down to the conditions or Sydneys constant flooding. (they are by far the most boring side in the AFL)

The Count played a solid game without being a standout, Meesen was ok, still a long way off. Ferg didnt play much but his attack on the footy was good to see.

I think one of the real positives to come out of the match was the forward line pressure, they did not let the ball out of the attacking 50 without a real fight and Sydney had to work for everything.

All in all it was a frustrating game mainly due to the conditions and Sydneys tactics but we did show some glimpses which was good. By far from all doom and gloom this season.

macca23 · Mar 4, 2005

Firstly - the disappointments.

Schuback. Given every minute of every quarter, and on a night that he should have shone with the ball on the ground all the time, he was very very ordinary. Watched him closely and he just doesn't position himself correctly. Sorry, Stiffmeister, he lost me tonight.

Watts. Not good conditions for a tall who still isn't anywhere near ready to play AFL footy.

Torney. Not because of his game but because he got injured and had to come off when I thought he was playing outstanding footy. Looked like a back problem, and let's hope it's just a knock.

Clarke. Looks a shadow of the player he was, and we got smashed around the packs. Doesn't seem to get too high off the ground at the moment, but he is rather underdone at the moment.

Massie. Can't see him getting too many games this year unless we have major injuries.

Burton. The football equivalent of a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get, and it's not all good.

Smith. A little harsh as he did at least 3 good things in the last quarter. Still doesn't look like a footballer to me though - slowish and takes an eternity to get up when he goes to ground.

Blue Red and Gold · Mar 4, 2005

I must say I have to question the effectivness of all the interchange changes. Van Berlo and Mattner were changing with each other and they swapped 3 times in just the first qtr alone.
I know NC wants to get players some game time to help their match fitness but I think they also need some time to get into the game and get a kick or two.

I was pleased we still managed to win the game when we had Macca, Stiffy, Reilly and Clarke all on the bench at the end and Messen was lead ruck.

Stiffy_18 · Mar 5, 2005

Can someone tell me again why Burton is in the leadership group?????? FFS DROP HIM

. His stupid spoils on his own team-mates directly cost us 2 goals in the 4th quarter alone.

Goodwin - Sensational

Rutten - Exceptional

Bock - Very Good

Van Berlo - drifted in and out but overall played a good game. I liked his game

Meesen - Showed something. I really like his positioning in the ruck. Once he puts on about 10 kilos he will be one hell of a player.

Schuback - quiet offensively. Ended up kicking the winning goal and set up Welshy for his with a fantastic 50 meter pass. Flat and hard, hit Welshy right on the chest. As I said very quiet offensively but his workrate did please me. He is laid back at the best of times but he really chased hard tonight and gave us some genuine forward line pressure. Needs to do a LOT more if he wants a spot in the side

Watts - Attacks the ball REALLY well and like Schuback, forward line pressure was sensational. He is still a good 12 months away.

Hentschel - This kid is class. He was just his usual self, whether up forward, down back or onball. He played a good game

Hudson - HUGE heart. Not overly good in actual ruckwork but he just has a red hot crack. I simply LOVE the way he plays

Reilly - Very good tonight. Set up a couple of goals with his disposal and smart and kicked one himself. He is coming along nicely.

Johncock - Very good game from Stiffy. I keep saying he plays his best footy at HBF.

Bassett - Look up courage and there is a photo of this bloke. He was simply superb. Anyone that says he is over-rated and not in the best 18 really needs to look at this bloke closely. He saved at least 3 goals tonight and he just clened up anything that came his way. He nearly got sent into tommorow land by Barry Hall

Mattner - Frustrates the living daylights out of me. His first quarter was pathetic and that being polite. I mean take this piece of play. He runs into the pack, picks up the ball, turns 3 players inside out and send them for pies and pasties, gets clear, no pressure what so ever and he handballs straight to Sydney player. I mean FFS he undoes all the good hard work he does with a stupid move. Then in the second half comes out a player who was just simply SENSATIONAL. His 3rd quarter is the best display of footy you will see from him. He got a lot of the footy, set up a lot of play, ran the lines, carried the ball, kicked well, tackled hard (I reckon he would have had at least 6 tackles in the 3rd quarter) and laid a fantastic bump that gave Goody one of his goals. Just frustrating.

I am sure I missed someone/something but others will fill in the blanks.

NikkiNoo · Mar 5, 2005

Can I just say a big Thanks to you guys for posting your impressions so quickly (and also to the people in the other thread too)

I'm off to tackle the worst two roads in england (M1 & M25) down to london so I look forward to reading the board on Monday.

Cheers

Blue Red and Gold · Mar 5, 2005

I was actually disappointed with Henschel tonight, I know he got alot of the ball but alot of them were soft touches. I must say he did lead very well and created some space. However I feel he was one of the main culprits of kicking wide and just chipping a nothing kick.

I may be being a little harsh on him but I just expected a little bit more.

Stiffy_18 · Mar 5, 2005

Blue Red and Gold said:
I must say I have to question the effectivness of all the interchange changes. Van Berlo and Mattner were changing with each other and they swapped 3 times in just the first qtr alone.
I know NC wants to get players some game time to help their match fitness but I think they also need some time to get into the game and get a kick or two.

I was pleased we still managed to win the game when we had Macca, Stiffy, Reilly and Clarke all on the bench at the end and Messen was lead ruck.

I heard NC say that all he really wanted was to have a look at some players and give some experienced players just a run and a lot of rest. I mean he started Goodwin, McLeod and Clarke on the bench. He used the interchange every 7 minutes and he kept swapping 5-6 players at a time. He gave kids a lot of game time but he didn't play kids without experienced heads out there either. I got no issues with that since its the trial and I would be VERY surprised if he uses interchange that way when the real stuff starts.

NC said he will play 22 players next week and take 1 emergency over to melbourne so we should have a better idea of what the 22 will be and the rotations he is planning on using.

macca23 · Mar 5, 2005

Now for the Good.

Bassett. Outstanding, and teamed up beautifully with Rutten to form a first class defence IMO. Bass was relentless all night in a perfect display of defensive aggression and pressure. Great game.

Mattner. Exciting and really made the blood pump. I've bought a ticket for the Mattner gravy train for at least a couple of stations!! Stuffed up a couple of times, but his attack on both the ball and player was magnificent ot watch. Runs like a hare and drives it in long and staright down the guts. A match-winning 3rd quarter.

Rutten. Perhaps the rain brought them back to his pace, but we are watching a player grow in self-belief. He has a terrific footy brain and teamed up beautifully with Bassett tonight. Really good game.

Bock. Hats off to Bocky. Took on BBB Hall and did a top job on him. Didn't just negate him, but also got plenty of it. Well done Bock.

Hentschel. Class will always out and he was terrific tonight whether up forward or back. Another with a great footy brain, and he's in for a monster year IMO.

Perrie. Easily our best forward, giving us a target,and while it was hard to mark the greasy piece of soap, he contested everything, crashed packs, chased and harassed.

Stiffy. Onnly palyed a half but was outstanding playing in defence. Read the ball well, and mopped up all the crumbs as a good player should.

Reilly. A bit on the quiet side but erupted in the 3rd quarter when he was playing centre, setting up goals with beautiful delivery by both hand and foot.

Goodwin. Gee, he's all class, and we look a totally different side with him on a HB flank and running on the ball. Oozed class, and combined beautifully with Reilly when he was playing centre.

Hudson. not for his ruck work, but fights like a demon for the ball around the round. Looks like being the first ruck this season.

Van Berlo. A special mention to my man, who played a terrific last quarter from a HBF in the last quarter on a class player in Paul Williams. To all those so called experts who say this boy doesn't go in hard or tackle hard, I say you ahve no idea. He shone in this area tonight.

Stiffy_18 · Mar 5, 2005

Blue Red and Gold said:
I was actually disappointed with Henschel tonight, I know he got alot of the ball but alot of them were soft touches. I must say he did lead very well and created some space. However I feel he was one of the main culprits of kicking wide and just chipping a nothing kick.

I may be being a little harsh on him but I just expected a little bit more.

Maybe but I still think he was one of the best talls and considering the conditions that was no easy task tonight. He is a class act. We did go wide at times but there was no space to kick to in the corridor because Swans flooded back.

jc67 · Mar 5, 2005

What position did stevo play tonight?

Blue Red and Gold · Mar 5, 2005

Now for the Good.

Bassett. Outstanding, and teamed up beautifully with Rutten to form a first class defence IMO. Bass was relentless all night in a perfect display of defensive aggression and pressure. Great game.

Mattner. Exciting and really made the blood pump. I've bought a ticket for the Mattner gravy train for at least a couple of stations!! Stuffed up a couple of times, but his attack on both the ball and player was magnificent ot watch. Runs like a hare and drives it in long and staright down the guts. A match-winning 3rd quarter.

I am willing to take on the role of the driver of this gravy train. I thought he was unreal, sure he ********ed up a few times but who hasnt. He is exciting to watch and a possible cult figure now, you can tell people get excited when he is near the ball.

Rutten. Perhaps the rain brought them back to his pace, but we are watching a player grow in self-belief. He has a terrific footy brain and teamed up beautifully with Bassett tonight. Really good game.

There was a stage today where there was a loose ball about 40m away it was pretty much a foot race between Rutten and Hall and Truck absolutely blitzed him. I know BBB is not the quickest going around far from it but it just highlighted that he is not that slow.

Bock. Hats off to Bocky. Took on BBB Hall and did a top job on him. Didn't just negate him, but also got plenty of it. Well done Bock.

Agree with this, he played a great qtr on Hall when he looked to be at his most dangerous. I was actually surprised when he was taken off him but I think this was just down to experimentation than anything.

Hentschel. Class will always out and he was terrific tonight whether up forward or back. Another with a great footy brain, and he's in for a monster year IMO.

Stated my probably harsh comments earlier

Perrie. Easily our best forward, giving us a target,and while it was hard to mark the greasy piece of soap, he contested everything, crashed packs, chased and harassed.

He was awesome, difficult night for him but he was a constant up forward.

Stiffy. Onnly palyed a half but was outstanding playing in defence. Read the ball well, and mopped up all the crumbs as a good player should.

Reilly. A bit on the quiet side but erupted in the 3rd quarter when he was playing centre, setting up goals with beautiful delivery by both hand and foot.

Goodwin. Gee, he's all class, and we look a totally different side with him on a HB flank and running on the ball. Oozed class, and combined beautifully with Reilly when he was playing centre.

Hudson. not for his ruck work, but fights like a demon for the ball around the round. Looks like being the first ruck this season.

Van Berlo. A special mention to my man, who played a terrific last quarter from a HBF in the last quarter on a class player in Paul Williams. To all those so called experts who say this boy doesn't go in hard or tackle hard, I say you ahve no idea. He shone in this area tonight.

Agree with everything else said.
Probably more positives to take out of the game than negatives so I will take it.

macca23 · Mar 5, 2005

Stiffy_18 said:
Schuback - quiet offensively. Ended up kicking the winning goal and set up Welshy for his with a fantastic 50 meter pass. Flat and hard, hit Welshy right on the chest. As I said very quiet offensively but his workrate did please me. He is laid back at the best of times but he really chased hard tonight and gave us some genuine forward line pressure. Needs to do a LOT more if he wants a spot in the side

Watts - Attacks the ball REALLY well and like Schuback, forward line pressure was sensational. He is still a good 12 months away.

I agree with all the others but just a comment on these 2

Schuback. When you're a midget like he is Stiffy, you're livelihood has to come from crumbing. How many times did the ball go over the back of the pack as it does on a wet night, but no Schuey in sight. One of the reasons he chased hard so much was that he just didn't have the friggin ball. I think Craig gave him the full game to make or break him, and i doubt that he would have liked what he saw.

Watts. You're right on the way he fought to keep the ball in teh area. He did really work hard in this respect. The wet conditions didn't help him though to get his own kicks. As you said, comfortably 12 months away - after all it took Perrie many years to come good.

Crow · Mar 5, 2005

As posted by moi in the wrong thread

Crow said:
Sheesh the things I do for you people - sitting out in the open air in the cold and rain, my jeans are satched!

Positives

Mattner - The kid is tough and hard and, although its only pre season pansyball I really think he will be one to surprise. Has brain freezes at times but not to the extent of a Burton, was very impressed with his good things and could tolerate his bad things (It was wet, VERY WET, I'll make an excuse for him this time)

Mcleod - Though he had limited game time the glimpses that this bloke showed were the Macca of old. When watching he seriously was a cut above the rest and he just has that WOW factor that not even Roo has, this bloke is special.

Meesen - Not so much in the best all night but I thought I'd mention him, this kid will be a star, and not just any star, a frickin brick sh*thouse of a star! He did some really clever things tonight in the last 2 or 3 minutes that helped Adelaide keep possession. My heart was in my mouth when he landed that grubber kick about 2mm in from the boundary line and out for a throw in but he has a good footy brain, in 2 years time he'll be a monster.

Sarge - Jeez this bloke plays his guts out. I would probably pin him as the best tonight just for sheer all around effort. Always provides a contest and is strong in the clinches. Will never be the most talented big bloke going around but he tries and tries and tries. I just wonder how far advanced he would be if Gary Ayres had actually stuck with him in the first place and given him a crack at CHF for a considerable amount of time.

Stevo: What more can be said, he and Welshy are the keys to us scraping into the finals IMO. Both important tonight without really being in the best.

The Backline minus Torney: I'm a big wrap for old Jase Torney but he was poo tonight before being injured with what seemed to be a lower back injury. The rest of the backs really stood up pretty well I thought and Benny Rutten played another solid game for us. Basset proved why he's probably the most underrated player in our entire backline, and even Bock (yes, Bock) did some good things tonight. Overall a solid contribution in a scrappy game.

Summary:

Good overall team contribution with not too many standouts. At times the Crows played very cutesy football again, especially for wet weather footy and seemed to refuse to utilise the set of pins god gave them. Continually handpassing when they should have been simply moving the ball on by foot frustrated me at times. Against a Port Adelaide or a West Coast we would have been punished severely for the way we played (Sydney had their chances but inaccurate kicking cost them/saved us)

Rotation was the key of the night so that all blokes got a fair crack at the cookie and so no one really had a chance to dominate (though from where i sat Sarge was best on ground for the game time he played) For pyjama football it even got quite exciting there at the finish, it's nice to actually be on the right end of a close one for a change.

Thought the young blokes played pretty well tonight.

Schuey of course kicked the clincher and has a fair amount of pace on him. I've never been a fan but if he could slot in as a crumming forward then he could be dangerous, I'd cautiously pencil him in for round one.

Meese showed why he was so highly rated and always provided a contest. Didn't look out of place at all and were it not for his body size I'd have him in there at round 1. Expect him to play around week 8-10 of the h & a season.

Van Berlo made a couple of small errors but they really came about from lack of experience more than anything. I'd like to see him bulk up a bit more so that he can go and get some more of his own hard ball instead of receiving so often, but hey, every team needs a receiver and I think he can provide us good drive off the backline. Slot him in for round 1 - he's ready.

Fergus looked a touch out of place at times. Did some good work in chasing down defenders and did try his hardest but he needs to position himself better. I still have faith in him becoming a good player but Craigie needs to give this kid more game time. I'd actually slot him on the bench somewhere and try and rotate him with a Mark Stevens as much as possible. I know that might seem a bit soon but we need to start developing our youth for the next assault on the flag in 5-7 years time.

As i said previously Mattner's hardness at the footy was really impressive and although there were stupid mistakes there at times he provides us with a toughness that we so sorely need. Watch him this year, most improved player (yep I'm jinxing everyone tonight!)

Negatives:

*The Crows and their inability to capitalise on major periods of dominant play only to watch the Swans kick 2 in succession (happened a couple of times tonight)

*Jason Torney - you disappointed me tonight oh Grasshopper

*Those pansy arsed little orange twigs out in the middle tonight. Favoured no one, confused everyone and should be shot. Some ludicrous decisions and plenty of things that were paid one minute and ignored the next. Woeful umpires - lift your game.

*Trento and his lack of concentration at times in dropping about 3 or 4 sitters. The kid has talent but he needs to concentrate more.

Overall:

A nothing game in the scheme of things but its good to win a close one for once and so early in the season. Our elite are still up there with the best (Roo, Goody and Macca looked great in the time they had)

Our defence looks like it will be our best attribute this season (strange when we've always had classy midfields but I really don't see anyone putting 120 points past us consistently with the backline players we have. I just pray Harty will come back ASAP)

I love having Huddo in there, his mongrel and spirit is fantastic. Go big fella and shove it up em! I really think the early predictions of gloom and doom by many are a bit silly, I look at our list and I see a good starting lineup, it's the depth that's the main concern.

I took many positives away from tonights game (mainly the fact we won because I woulda been mighty f*cked off if we had lost by a point AND i'd been p*ssed on from a great height!)

Bring on the real footy now, I'm pumped and also very very cold. If anyone needs me I'll be defrosting on the heater and recovering from frost bite

Stiffy_18 · Mar 5, 2005

jc67 said:
What position did stevo play tonight?

FF

macca23 · Mar 5, 2005

jc67 said:
What position did stevo play tonight?

Played at FF on and off. Useful, and like the other forwards fought hard to keep the ball in the area. not a night for teh big boys weather wise though.

Another palyer I missed before was Rob Shirley. Seems to like the wet, and I thought he did well as a genuine on-baller rather than a tagger when he was on.

Stiffy_18 · Mar 5, 2005

macca23 said:
I agree with all the others but just a comment on these 2

Schuback. When you're a midget like he is Stiffy, you're livelihood has to come from crumbing. How many times did the ball go over the back of the pack as it does on a wet night, but no Schuey in sight. One of the reasons he chased hard so much was that he just didn't have the friggin ball. I think Craig gave him the full game to make or break him, and i doubt that he would have liked what he saw.

Watts. You're right on the way he fought to keep the ball in teh area. He did really work hard in this respect. The wet conditions didn't help him though to get his own kicks. As you said, comfortably 12 months away - after all it took Perrie many years to come good.

I don't disagree with you one Schuey about his positioning. I expected a lot better from him. It was a wet night and a chance for him to shine and kick a couple of goals. His positioning wasn't good and as I said his offensive game was not good at all BUT in the past, Schuback wouldn't chase if he didn't get the ball. He would let others do the chasing and he would peal off hoping to get a kick. Tonight he chased down everything, even if the player was good 15 meters away he woudl have a crack at trying to run him down.

If he wants to get a spot he needs to do a hell of a lot more. His willingness to apply the pressure couldn't be questioned but his overall game was not very good.

Watts need a fair bit of time. He needs to bulk up and play the next 12 months in the SANFL. Don't bother giving him a game unless he dominates with the Eagles.

Stiffy_18 · Mar 5, 2005

macca23 said:
Played at FF on and off. Useful, and like the other forwards fought hard to keep the ball in the area. not a night for teh big boys weather wise though.

Another palyer I missed before was Rob Shirley. Seems to like the wet, and I thought he did well as a genuine on-baller rather than a tagger when he was on.

Good comments on Shirley. He always plays well in the wet. He was swapping with Roo all night and I thought Shirley did a pretty good job.

Just on the other mob, how good is Kirk?????? The bloke is a dead set gun. I thought he was by far the BOG tonight.

liz · Mar 5, 2005

I realise you guys would have been watching the Crows players closely, but if there are any snippets of interest re individual players that you could pass on to we Sydneysiders - who didn't get to see the game - it would be appreciated.

From comments above it sounds as if Hall didn't have a great night and Nicks' 4 goals in the final quarter sounds like he did OK! Any other crumbs to throw our way?

Blue Red and Gold · Mar 5, 2005

I agree RE: Schuback I was disappointed with him aswell but I think we can also put Ladhams in the same catergory, didnt do anything in condtions where he should of done very well.

Stiffy_18 · Mar 5, 2005

liz said:
I realise you guys would have been watching the Crows players closely, but if there are any snippets of interest re individual players that you could pass on to we Sydneysiders - who didn't get to see the game - it would be appreciated.

From comments above it sounds as if Hall didn't have a great night and Nicks' 4 goals in the final quarter sounds like he did OK! Any other crumbs to throw our way?

As I said in the other thread, Kirk was exceptional, Williams and Jude Bolton were very good, Dampsey (sp???) did a pretty good job at CHB. Schneider is a dynamite and Nicks kicked 4 in the last but a couple of those were from really dodgy free kicks.

BBB Bary had a nigth to forget. Gave away a couple of 50 meter penalties. I though the were a bit sort but apparently he copped them after mouthin off at the umpires who were their usual pathetic selves.

Blue Red and Gold · Mar 5, 2005

liz said:
I realise you guys would have been watching the Crows players closely, but if there are any snippets of interest re individual players that you could pass on to we Sydneysiders - who didn't get to see the game - it would be appreciated.

From comments above it sounds as if Hall didn't have a great night and Nicks' 4 goals in the final quarter sounds like he did OK! Any other crumbs to throw our way?

Schneider played well, seemed to be in everything he has a bit of mongrel in him which I like.

As stated Hall had a shocker, he must of had under 5 touches, although he was robbed by the umpires at times. I am surprised Bassett managed to get up after BBB tried to smash him into next week, looking forward to seeing the replay actually.

Nicks was great all night IMO not just the final qtr where he was exceptional, he was easily the most dangerous player on the ground for Sydney.

I did not like Sydneys continual flooding, I hope this isnt a sign of things to come but they were prepared to run with the ball when they had the chance, and straight down the guts, which the Crows hardly ever did.

Not all doom and gloom for the Swans either, they will be around the mark again this year when Goodes and O'Loughlan come back into the side.

Hope that helps!

macca23 · Mar 5, 2005

Stiffy_18 said:
As I said in the other thread, Kirk was exceptional, Williams and Jude Bolton were very good, Dampsey (sp???) did a pretty good job at CHB. Schneider is a dynamite and Nicks kicked 4 in the last but a couple of those were from really dodgy free kicks.

BBB Bary had a nigth to forget. Gave away a couple of 50 meter penalties. I though the were a bit sort but apparently he copped them after mouthin off at the umpires who were their usual pathetic selves.

Sums up the Sydney scene pretty well Stiffy.

I do like the look of Schneider - always have actually. Always looks so dangerous, and only needs a half chance to kick a sausage roll. Kirk is a class player who givees it all.

Williams was a thorn in our side, which is why I gave Van Berlo a wrap for his last quarter on a player who had been so very good all night.

liz · Mar 5, 2005

Much appreciated guys.

"Dampsy" is actually Sean Dempster, a father & son selection for us two years ago. He was emergency 9 or 10 times last year without breaking through for a game and he's one Swans fans have their eye on as a likely early season debutant.

The Swans (admittedly with most senior players missing) were woeful last week so I'm glad they at least put up a fight. They are also a terrible wet weather team so that might have contributed to their defensive style. We're not expecting major tactical changes this year but most Swans fans are hoping that they will change the balance between attack and negating just a bit this year.

macca23 · Mar 5, 2005

Blue Red and Gold said:
I agree RE: Schuback I was disappointed with him aswell but I think we can also put Ladhams in the same catergory, didnt do anything in condtions where he should of done very well.

Ladhams got a little more of it but certainly not enough given the conditions. Our best crumbers are actually Edwards and McLeod. I'd play them as on-ballers changing with each other in the FP.

W'ere very weak in this area otherwise.

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