Worst list of Kids?

Escude · Aug 15, 2006

Who do you think have the worst list of kids in the AFL? Adelaide for me, by a mile

Kickin_Goals · Aug 15, 2006

16 teams Escude.
When will you be constructive?
Adelaide hasn't played them yet.

Hawkk · Aug 15, 2006

Adelaide haven't played them yet.

Carlton shouldn't be on that list btw, they have the 3rd-4th best list of kids (IMO) in the league

rick James · Aug 15, 2006

Top 5 in no particular order:

Melbourne (Look like having the strongest/most fearsome young midfield in the comp within a couple of years imo)
Hawthorn (great young forward prospects)
Carlton (great young forwards, some class in the middle too)
Brisbane (just sheer weight of numbers gets them here, plus Sherman is a gun)
Port Adelaide (Will be fighting for a flag again with 3 years)

Bottom 5

Collingwood (some bad choices have really hurt them)
Adelaide (could be due to lack of exposure, who knows really)
Sydney (Grundy looks the goods, but really they don't have a whole lot)
North (Trade away trade away trade away /sinead o'connor)
Freo (they dont' really have much youth that impresses me at all really -Mundy is decent, Schammer sucks)

RogerRabbit69 · Aug 15, 2006

Can you start a poll for most overrated group of kids? You know, one for the supporters who reckon their kids must be good simply because they're playing AFL. They forget the reason they're getting a game is because their side is crap.

Hawkk · Aug 15, 2006

rick James said:
Top 5 in no particular order:

Melbourne (Look like having the strongest/most fearsome young midfield in the comp within a couple of years imo)
Hawthorn (great young forward prospects)
Carlton (great young forwards, some class in the middle too)
Brisbane (just sheer weight of numbers gets them here, plus Sherman is a gun)
Port Adelaide (Will be fighting for a flag again with 3 years)

Bottom 5

Collingwood (some bad choices have really hurt them)
Adelaide (could be due to lack of exposure, who knows really)
Sydney (Grundy looks the goods, but really they don't have a whole lot)
North (Trade away trade away trade away /sinead o'connor)
Freo (they dont' really have much youth that impresses me at all really -Mundy is decent, Schammer sucks)

Yeah, I agree with the overall jist of this list.

Just can't wait to see Ellis, Muston and Little

rick James · Aug 15, 2006

Hawkk said:
Just you wait for Ellis, Muston and Little to come along RJ

I've no doubt they have talent, just can't see them beating a midfeild of:

McLean, Jones, Bate, Bartram, Moloney, Johnson, Sylvia. . . that is as physically intimidating a midfield as you will find imo.

especially when you consider that Johnstone, Bruce, Green and Davey will still be around to feed off 'em.

Silvagnis · Aug 15, 2006

rick James said:
I've no doubt they have talent, just can't see them beating a midfeild of:

McLean, Jones, Bate, Bartram, Moloney, Johnson, Sylvia. . . that is as physically intimidating a midfield as you will find imo.

especially when you consider that Johnstone, Bruce, Green and Davey will still be around to feed off 'em.

Carlton beat that midfield twice yet we couldn't beat the Hawks this season.

And Houlihan had 48 possessions in the two games against Melbourne this year so they must be incredibly intimidating.

Hawkk · Aug 15, 2006

Interesting to see you don't rate Richmond's prospects RJ.

Hawkk · Aug 15, 2006

cypher said:
Carlton beat that midfield twice yet we couldn't beat the Hawks this season.

And Houlihan had 48 possessions in the two games against Melbourne this year so they must be incredibly intimidating.

Just goes to prove that Everitt is expendable...

rick James · Aug 15, 2006

cypher said:
Carlton beat that midfield twice yet we couldn't beat the Hawks this season.

And Houlihan had 48 possessions in the two games against Melbourne this year so they must be incredibly intimidating.

Err, we're tlaking development for a start, down the track etc. Jones and Bate didn't play you first time round either, nor did McLean, Sylvia, Johnson or Moloney. So you're more than a tad off there.

TJ was missing the second time, as was Davey, and bruce was playing in the backline injured.

Put it this way, you Carlton guys were going ballistic about how good Walker played (and he did play well) second time around, yet Bate was even better.

Melbourne's midfield issues come from the following:

Injuries

and

Lack of leadership displayed by almost all our senior players.

Our young midfeild brigade is as good as any in fact, I'd say, the best going around.

rick James · Aug 15, 2006

Hawkk said:
Interesting to see you don't rate Richmond's prospects RJ.

I probably don't give them enough credit, actually. They're very good in some areas, but thier midfield still relies very heavily on Simmonds, Coughlan, Browb, Tuck and Johnson imo.

I don't think they ahve a young midfielder on the same level as McLean, or even Bate. And their young KPP's are good without being great.

Take Schulz for example, accurate kick, good grab. Sounds awesome right? Not really, barely ever gets the ball unless he marks it.

eorl · Aug 15, 2006

what about the bombers with Stanton Monfries Dyson Winderlich Nash Slattery Watson Ryder Lovett

that surely must be close to the best

SeymourLions · Aug 15, 2006

rick James said:
I don't think they ahve a young midfielder on the same level as McLean, or even Bate. And their young KPP's are good without being great.

Im not a Richmond supporter, but even i know that McLean and Bate will never be as good as Deledio at top gear, get real mate, you are talking up your prospects something shocking.

And if your bagging their KPP, who has Melbourne got that is so great?

Cleve Hughes is awesome, having seen him play in the VFL this year, has one of the cleanest sets of hands ive ever seen live, and one of the best kicks for goal as well. think he kicked about 8 that day.

And on people bagging the roo's?

Il take alot of our youngsters over alot of those mentioned here 3 years down the track thank you very much. BEsides West Coast we have the best young ruck division in the comp, with alot of young hardnuts.

rick James · Aug 15, 2006

SeymourLions said:
Im not a Richmond supporter, but even i know that McLean and Bate will never be as good as Deledio at top gear, get real mate, you are talking up your prospects something shocking.

And if your bagging their KPP, who has Melbourne got that is so great?

Cleve Hughes is awesome, having seen him play in the VFL this year, has one of the cleanest sets of hands ive ever seen live, and one of the best kicks for goal as well. think he kicked about 8 that day.

And on people bagging the roo's?

Il take alot of our youngsters over alot of those mentioned here 3 years down the track thank you very much. BEsides West Coast we have the best young ruck division in the comp, with alot of young hardnuts.

Mate Deledio is nowhere near as good as McLean. Not now, and in all likelihood not ever.

Melbourne's young KPP's include Rivers and Dunn. Bate is being groomed to one day play KPP as well - we also have Newman playing down at Sandy (another very young player drafted bottom age last year) and kicking goals there, as well as Warnock who elevated from the rookie list this year but has unfortunately suffered injuries.

My point regarding Melbourne though was that our midfield prospects look top notch, not our KPP's (even though I rate Dunn).

With Hawthorn, I rate thier young forwards very highly, not so much their midfield.

With Melbourne I rate the midfield prospects incredibly highly, especially in hardness - not so much the young KPP's.

With Richmond, they have good prospects in both regards, but I don't tihnk htey have the forward talent of Hawthorn or the midfield talent of Melbourne - though I will concede I might be judging them a bit harshly not having them in the top 5.

But to suggest Deledio is as good as McLean is ludicrous - Deledio has a lot of work to do to even be compared to him.

SeymourLions · Aug 15, 2006

rick James said:
Err, we're tlaking development for a start, down the track etc.

Take your own advice. Deledio has ALOT more talent that McLean, at the end of the day he will be an honest footballer, Deledio has the potential to change games

rick James · Aug 15, 2006

SeymourLions said:
Take your own advice. Deledio has ALOT more talent that McLean, at the end of the day he will be an honest footballer, Deledio has the potential to change games

McLean already does change games, he is already far above that of an honest footballer.

the only midfielders I would say are clearly better than him atm are:

West, Judd, Kerr, Bruce, Johnstone, Goodwin

Bentleigh · Aug 15, 2006

Hawkk said:
Interesting to see you don't rate Richmond's prospects RJ.

Indeed.

Richmond & Melbourne was a "battle of the 2 best list of kids in the league" a few weeks back..

rick James · Aug 15, 2006

Bentleigh said:
Indeed.

Richmond & Melbourne was a "battle of the 2 best list of kids in the league" a few weeks back..

You're right, i've acknowledged it was an error on my behalf not listing them.

I dont tihnk their KP's are as good as Hawthorn's, or their mids are as good as Melbourne's, but they have a nice balance going.

Bentleigh · Aug 15, 2006

rick James said:
I probably don't give them enough credit, actually. They're very good in some areas, but thier midfield still relies very heavily on Simmonds, Coughlan, Browb, Tuck and Johnson imo.

23/24 year olds.

Over the hill, no doubt.

I don't think they ahve a young midfielder on the same level as McLean, or even Bate. And their young KPP's are good without being great.

Take Schulz for example, accurate kick, good grab. Sounds awesome right? Not really, barely ever gets the ball unless he marks it.

Yeah Tambling or even Deledio isn't in the class of a Bate, let alone McLean.

McLean is going to be a decent, good honest player. Nothing more. Cooney and Deledio etc. will cream him long term.

Schultz will go alright.

Bentleigh · Aug 15, 2006

rick James said:
Mate Deledio is nowhere near as good as McLean. Not now, and in all likelihood not ever.

Melbourne's young KPP's include Rivers and Dunn. Bate is being groomed to one day play KPP as well - we also have Newman playing down at Sandy (another very young player drafted bottom age last year) and kicking goals there, as well as Warnock who elevated from the rookie list this year but has unfortunately suffered injuries.

My point regarding Melbourne though was that our midfield prospects look top notch, not our KPP's (even though I rate Dunn).

With Hawthorn, I rate thier young forwards very highly, not so much their midfield.

With Melbourne I rate the midfield prospects incredibly highly, especially in hardness - not so much the young KPP's.

With Richmond, they have good prospects in both regards, but I don't tihnk htey have the forward talent of Hawthorn or the midfield talent of Melbourne - though I will concede I might be judging them a bit harshly not having them in the top 5.

But to suggest Deledio is as good as McLean is ludicrous - Deledio has a lot of work to do to even be compared to him.

Deledio > McLean

Seeing as you like polls so much make a poll asking which of the 2 people would prefer on their list.

rick James · Aug 15, 2006

Bentleigh said:
McLean is going to be a decent, good honest player. Nothing more. Cooney and Deledio etc. will cream him long term.

Schultz will go alright.

McLean is already more than decent, or a good honest player. He is already one of the best midfielders going around, I'd have him as one of hte top 15 midfeilders in the AFL.

I don't see how you can predict he will only ever be something, that he is already better than!

Cooney and Deledio will need to do a LOT of improving to catch McLean. sure, the way they play looks nicer, but it means little when McLean is miles better than them even when he's injured.

In case you weren't aware, the only guy in the AFL who gets' the ball more (in comparison to his tiem on ground) than McLean is Scott West - and McLean has better disposal, gets more tackles, more clearances and kicks more goals.

Crow Chick · Aug 15, 2006

Not sure why Fremantle is on the list!! They have a pretty good list of youngsters. Just because they don't get as much exposure out of Perth doesn't mean they are not good!!!

It's hard to judge Adelaide's youngsters as they don't get as much game time as youngsters at other clubs. It's hard to compare someone being eased into AFL, playing off the bench getting 10 possies, or getting 20 in the VFL or SANFL, with a youngster from one of the struggling teams getting 18-20 from a full game in the midfield.

darrend05 · Aug 15, 2006

adelaide cows have by far the worst group of youngsters,no rising stars no nothing......
they are going to be a bottom side real quick with all their best players being old...............

Bentleigh · Aug 15, 2006

Crow Chick said:
Not sure why Fremantle is on the list!! They have a pretty good list of youngsters. Just because they don't get as much exposure out of Perth doesn't mean they are not good!!!

Who?

Drum, Mundy, Schammer..

It's hard to judge Adelaide's youngsters as they don't get as much game time as youngsters at other clubs. It's hard to compare someone being eased into AFL, playing off the bench getting 10 possies, or getting 20 in the VFL or SANFL, with a youngster from one of the struggling teams getting 18-20 from a full game in the midfield.

Whilst this may be true if you look at their best dozen players they are all (or there abouts) 28+..

Clarke, Hart, Ricciuto, McLeod, Edwards, Bassett, Goodwin, Burton, Welsh etc.

Perhaps Porplyzia, Maric, Meesen, Knights, Douglas, Pfeiffer and co. are just as good as any othe sides kids, but there 22 is too strong to give us a proper look at them. Hard to tell at this stage.

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