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Port Adelaide 1870

Port Adelaide 1870

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Hi Guys...

Long time no speak , but...

Over the last 4 weeks several situations, personal, business and social have occured that have blown me away...

I have been in several situations where I have met up with former PAFC supporters that are now Adelaide supporters..I have asked why and they tell me, they dont like the way the Port Power football club treated the Magpies, so they became Crows supporters..

Naturally, I began to explain the circumsatances on Ports AFL ascension..The responses I received were ...quite simply mind blowing...

I was screamed at..yes screamed at and shouted at in a social circumstance by at least 10 former Port and current crows supporters, some former under age ( now in their 30's) port players..it was unbelieveable, they were finger chesting me, yelling at me and flippantly laughing at whatever I had to say about Ports move from the SANFL to the AFL.....

Now ,this has happened a number of times in the last 4 weeks, but repeatedly over the last few years as well.

The momentum lately has been significant.

I have emailed the club for clarification on this position on at least 10 occassions over the last 4 years and have never received a response....

What are your thoughts...

regards

PA1870
 
Unfortunate to hear that. It's not something I've encountered, but I have had the feeling for a while that the Power has sought to distance itself from the Magpie heritage as it's tried to broaden its appeal to South Australians. And the Port Magpies have re-embraced many Port Adelaide people to the fold to strengthen their identity.

That's why I believe you will never see a Power prison bar guernsey worn as a matter of course in the AFL. And why they haven't put up too much resistance to the AFL/Collingwood stranglehold on heritage round.
 

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if you were a true footy fan you would never change your favourite team so in teh end they are just bandwagon fools
 
MrAaron said:
if you were a true footy fan you would never change your favourite team so in teh end they are just bandwagon fools
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I don't this thread is saying that Power fans have converted to Crows fans, it's saying that Port Magpies fans also became Crows fans because they hate the way the Power treated the Port Magpies.
 
Troy Wingate said:
I don't this thread is saying that Power fans have converted to Crows fans, it's saying that Port Magpies fans also became Crows fans because they hate the way the Power treated the Port Magpies.
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The truth is the PAFC kept most of the good people, the ones to miss out went to the Port Magpies which in turn caused alot of jealousy as they missed out on jobs at the Power.
 
Ford Fairlane said:
Unfortunate to hear that. It's not something I've encountered, but I have had the feeling for a while that the Power has sought to distance itself from the Magpie heritage as it's tried to broaden its appeal to South Australians. And the Port Magpies have re-embraced many Port Adelaide people to the fold to strengthen their identity.

That's why I believe you will never see a Power prison bar guernsey worn as a matter of course in the AFL. And why they haven't put up too much resistance to the AFL/Collingwood stranglehold on heritage round.
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In the ABC radio pre-game today they were talking to Bob Hammond (acting AFL chairman) about various things and Stephen Williams asked him why Port Adelaide wasn't allowed to wear the prison bars guernsey for this year's heritage round, when Fremantle is allowed to wear a red and white guernsey and Hawthorn wore a red,white and blue one a couple of years ago. Hammond just said "that's a good question" without answering it.
 
Troy Wingate said:
I don't this thread is saying that Power fans have converted to Crows fans, it's saying that Port Magpies fans also became Crows fans because they hate the way the Power treated the Port Magpies.
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Once again...I dont understand what you are saying...as simply as I dont understand what former Port supporters say to me...

The PAFC ( formerly the Magpies) left the SANFL and joined the AFL...The PAFC Magpies changed their nickname to the 'POWER'

what I am encountering is a whole bunch of Port people and new found Crows ( former Port People ) who are telling me that the PAFC is a new club...They are screaming at me.." When were the Power formed ?"...I ay the PAFC was formed in 1870..they then yell and shout in my face, until I back down.." NO!!!!! When were the POWER FORMED>>>"...

I reply 1870...the PAFC was formed in 1870...and the teeth gnnashing, in my face, contorted face , ..threaten to violence , abuse starts....

THe PAFC wont reply to me.....

The AFL originally acknowledged the PAFC was formed in 1870..according to all their original AFL records and all their original AFL literature the PAFC was est. in 1870...It is all their new stuff that suggests the PAFC was formed in 1996 ?????


Can anyone lend anymore to this argument?

al the orignal AFL literature admitted the PAFC est in 1870 Now they claim the PAFC was est in 1996...

Me no Understando..

regards
PA1870
 
The Port Adelaide Football Club was est. in 1870. Played in the SANFL until 1996 was the PAFC license was transferred to the AFL. Due to Collingwood, it had to change it's nickname, and came up with the 'POWER' name. Due to Collingwood being the biatches they are, we couldn't wear the black and white prison bars, so we added teal and silver and have the jumper you see today.

To keep the Port Adelaide presense in the SANFL, the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club was created. They have the Magpies name, wear the black and white prison bars, and share the records that the PAFC hold from 1870-1996, after that both the PAFC and PAMFC have separate issues.
 
Troy Wingate said:
The Port Adelaide Football Club was est. in 1870. Played in the SANFL until 1996 was the PAFC license was transferred to the AFL. Due to Collingwood, it had to change it's nickname, and came up with the 'POWER' name. Due to Collingwood being the biatches they are, we couldn't wear the black and white prison bars, so we added teal and silver and have the jumper you see today.

To keep the Port Adelaide presense in the SANFL, the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club was created. They have the Magpies name, wear the black and white prison bars, and share the records that the PAFC hold from 1870-1996, after that both the PAFC and PAMFC have separate issues.
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Uh huh...


Now ask the club to re enforce your opinion......

I think you are going to be left to freeze...

regards
PA1870
 
The official Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club says this >

1997 the Port Adelaide Football Club joined the Australian Football League,
in many ways the crowning achievement of more than 100 years of unrivalled
success. It maintained its presence in the SANFL through the formation
of the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club, who share the records and
history from 1870 to 1996

'Nuff said.

If your mates are truly old school port fans, they would have to acknowledge the official word of the club.

http://www.portmagpies.com.au/about.php

The AFL and Port had this to say on Heritage round;

Formed in 1870, Port Adelaide dominated the SANFL through to 1996, winning a record 34 premierships. The club joined the AFL in 1997, wearing the colours silver, teal and black and have worn these colours in various designs ever since.
 
i feel its very much due to the 'political' role the SANFL played in forcing PORT's hand and making it impossible for the PAFC to have both an AFL and SANFL identity.

In 1997 the PAFC should have registered our famous black and white 'prison bar' jumper....retired it to the trophy cabinet.... and pulled out of the SANFL competition completely?

in an ideal world the sanfl magpies should be our reserves team, but still be part of the AFL PAFC if you know what i mean. i know other sanfl clubs would complain, and say we would have the best team and its unfair, and we would win premierships every year.....;)
 

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Francis Soyer said:
in an ideal world the sanfl magpies should be our reserves team, but still be part of the AFL PAFC if you know what i mean. i know other sanfl clubs would complain, and say we would have the best team and its unfair, and we would win premierships every year.....;)
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I agree and Adelaide should also be entitled to have a reserves team. Because it is the same senario then there would be 10 teams then no bye.
 
Pete, I must admit I've never met a Maggies man go over to the Crows, but have met plenty who downright refuse to even acknowledge the Powers existence. Case in point being the ammys grand final held at Alberton Broadys v PHOS Camden a few years back when The Power booted the Maggies out of the central outside bar to the bar on the southern side, rightly or wrongly the Maggies people were telling their tales of woe to all in sundry. There was quite a long list of grievances.
As a long time SANFL supporter I'd say that around 50% of the Port people I still see at the games follow the Maggies only.
 
I havent had anyone come up to me and say anything, but this year especially Ive heard a lot of negative comments at Magpies games towards the Power. A lot of spiteful, negative comments.
 
Hollypig said:
Pete, I must admit I've never met a Maggies man go over to the Crows, but have met plenty who downright refuse to even acknowledge the Powers existence. Case in point being the ammys grand final held at Alberton Broadys v PHOS Camden a few years back when The Power booted the Maggies out of the central outside bar to the bar on the southern side, rightly or wrongly the Maggies people were telling their tales of woe to all in sundry. There was quite a long list of grievances.
As a long time SANFL supporter I'd say that around 50% of the Port people I still see at the games follow the Maggies only.
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How the Heck are you mate?

Have not seen you for some time !

When are we going to catch up for that beer ?

Toms currently in the USA.

regards
PA1870
 
The club has a no response position on this situation now from what I have encountered.

Seems the whole Crows crowd has had such influence on the SANFL, AFL , local media...and theabuse the AFL has received from other AFL clubs about Ports history, that the AFL has now also taken a different stance on the whole Port Adelaide issue..

Collingwood are only being used as a convenient ( and very compliant) fall guy on the colours issue..


regards

PA1870
 

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Macca19 said:
I havent had anyone come up to me and say anything, but this year especially Ive heard a lot of negative comments at Magpies games towards the Power. A lot of spiteful, negative comments.
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It's typical of this type of situation that the minority are usually the most vocal - a few people in the overall numbers would not be the general consensus. I bet you would not have heard many negative comments in 2004.

There is still a bit of residual angst that the colours, nick-name and guernsey did not progress to the national competition and the easiest way to relieve the angst is to ridicule and criticise the Power - it's their problem not the Power's and the target of any abuse should be to the AFL and the SANFL.

As has been mentioned a million times before and some people either refuse to accept it though ignorance, spite or just plain 'stirring' (mostly Camry Canaries) - the PAFC est 1870 remains in force and it now playing in the AFL after progressing from the SAFA and the SANFL. It can't be any clearer than that.
I always return to the images when Max Basheer as the rep of the SANFL stated that the PAFC was awarded the second licence offered by the AFL - presented to Greg Boulton - if it wasn't the PAFC est 1870 that he was referring to then who the hell was it?

The type people mentioned in this thread are, or were not, real PAFC supporters in the first place - real PAFC supporters do not leave.
 
Natman said:
It's typical of this type of situation that the minority are usually the most vocal - a few people in the overall numbers would not be the general consensus. I bet you would not have heard many negative comments in 2004.

There is still a bit of residual angst that the colours, nick-name and guernsey did not progress to the national competition and the easiest way to relieve the angst is to ridicule and criticise the Power - it's their problem not the Power's and the target of any abuse should be to the AFL and the SANFL.

As has been mentioned a million times before and some people either refuse to accept it though ignorance, spite or just plain 'stirring' (mostly Camry Canaries) - the PAFC est 1870 remains in force and it now playing in the AFL after progressing from the SAFA and the SANFL. It can't be any clearer than that.
I always return to the images when Max Basheer as the rep of the SANFL stated that the PAFC was awarded the second licence offered by the AFL - presented to Greg Boulton - if it wasn't the PAFC est 1870 that he was referring to then who the hell was it?

The type people mentioned in this thread are, or were not, real PAFC supporters in the first place - real PACF do not leave.
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Im talking about Sema4 Born and Bred, former Port Adelaide players, blokes who played their footy alongside fellas like Tim Ginever...not just your usual on the mound supporters..

I know the whole PAFC story..Dont need to be run down on that as a number here can attest...What I am really narky on , is the clubs indifference and non response policy on this matter..

The AFL now is changing its official line on Ports est date...

What can we do about this ?

regards

PA1870
 
Port Adelaide 1870 said:
Im talking about Sema4 Born and Bred, former Port Adelaide players, blokes who played their footy alongside fellas like Tim Ginever...not just your usual on the mound supporters..

I know the whole PAFC story..Dont need to be run down on that as a number here can attest...What I am really narky on , is the clubs indifference and non response policy on this matter..

The AFL now is changing its official line on Ports est date...

What can we do about this ?

regards

PA1870
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Not much we can do re the AFL stance - IMO this is mainly due to the fact that they do not want to acknowledge any history other than VFL related. Even saying that I'm not certain that the AFL officially deny that the PAFC was est 1870 - as I said earlier that is club that the licence was awarded to.

I wouldn't get too cut up about it - I (and numerous others) are comfortable about the basis of the history of our club and no one will ever convince me otherwise - that is all that matters.
 
Natman said:
I wouldn't get too cut up about it - I (and numerous others) are comfortable about the basis of the history of our club and no one will ever convince me otherwise - that is all that matters.
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That pretty much covers my thoughts..........those people that go against that are just pushing their own barrow and don't have either club's best interest at heart.

If people have a problem with it all it does is show their total lack of respect to the Port Adelaide Football Club including all past players and officials...........

Fos Williams would be turning in his grave at such thoughts and former club legends like Bob Clayton will always say the PAFC for who he played for now competes in the AFL.........

If people/idiots have a problem with that all they are doing is showing their total lack of respect for the club.
 
Yes DK you are right. We all would have liked to take the whole package into the AFL but it was never going to happen for the reasons mentioned previously, even to add that as a marketing tool the club had to reach out to non-PAFC supporters as well.
Imagine during our history when we changed guernsey styles over the years - what is the real difference now - IMO none. It's just that we are living it now and the media hype surrounding it (and the advertising $ it makes) and things like the internet that make it a bigger issue than it really is.
 
Natman said:
and things like the internet that make it a bigger issue than it really is.
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All the internet does is allow the idiots to have a wider audience with more idiots listening to what they are saying.........

Just look at the garbage on Bay13 for on-going proof of that and as I've said many times before the old saying

"Never argue with an idiot as they'll only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

rings true.
 

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