2018 WC - AFL need to shut down for 10 weeks

[The Chad]

Originally Posted by Guus_Hiddink

LOL

I dont think rounds 11,12,13,14 have a chance against the world cup. When the Socceroos made the last 16 in the world cup last year it pushed the AFL back a few pages in the sports section, just imagine what hosting the event will do.

"The foreign devil" my god there are some xenophobic people on here.

bit rough of you to call mantis xenophobic when all i've done is regurgitate her thoughts on soccer

[Johnson#26]

Tell 'em to get stuffed.

This is AFL territory.

[scottwade]

Originally Posted by Guus_Hiddink

LOL I have a good laugh when I read what you clueless and ignorant folk have to say about soccer...
The seasons do not need to be put on hold at all, remember that Melbourne will only be able to use one stadium. Also remember when the commonwealth games last year that all games in Melbourne were at the Telstra Dome for the first four or five rounds - I dont see why we cant do this again for a couple of extra rounds this time. Anyway, its more likely if we win the bid that the new rectangular stadium wiould be expanded. Same goes for Sydney, use the SCG instead of Telstra Stadium, even make the blockbuster fixtures there before and after the stadium is needed for the world cup. Adelaide and Perth will have soccer specific stadiums - AAMI is too far away from the action, its not a soccer stadium. Also, you would think they would build a new stadium in Perth for the Western Force which the Glory could use also. The Broncos can play at the new gold coast stadium for a few weeks, use Suncorp for world cup matches.

Problem Solved.

For someone who accuses others of ignorance, you exhibit a surprising amount yourself.

South Africa will use 10 stadiums in 2010, with capacities ranging from 40, 000 to 90,000. Similarly Germany used 12 stadiums (45,000 - 76,000).

You are suggesting, as far as I can tell; SCG, MCG, Adelaide(new), Perth (new) and Suncorp.

You also seem to suggest that only one stadium per city is used. Wrong. For example Johannesburg will have Ellis Park (60,000) and FNB Stadium (aka Soccer City) with a capacity of 95,000.

FIFA requires a minimum of 10 stadiums, with a minimum capacity of approx 40,000.

Now I am sure you can go back to the drawing board and satisfy the criteria, but perhaps next time get your facts correct, before attacking others.

[Guus_Hiddink]

Originally Posted by The Chad

sorry but look at what a true australian poster like mantis has had to say about soccer.

it's foreign and an inferior game because it wasn't invented and isn't played by real men or real australians.

not The Chad's opinion, but that's what your average australian punter like mantis thinks.

and that's why it'll never succeed here.

The people who bag soccer on here and those who bag AFL on soccer forums are not your average sports fans - the average sports fan doesnt spend all of their time on an internet forum. You cant judge popularity of a sport on their forums as there is too much bias.

More and more fans these days follow different codes. Sure, AFL is the main preferred sport for most fans, but they also follow teams in soccer, rugby league, NFL etc. 20-30 years ago this wasnt the case, but with the advent of the internet, pay TV and the ever globalising world, people are becoming more and more aware of what the rest of the sporting world has to offer.

[James23]

australia in the box seat?? hahah stupid call.. fifa requirements for a world cup include a minimum 10 world class stadiums seating a minimum of 50,000 each.. with a preference of no more than 1 or 2 per state.. we have the mcg, telstra stadium, and suncorp stadium as suitable venues.. where are the other 7 going to come from? ok maybe the new perth stadium.. 6 more stadiums to build before 2018??

say stadiums cost minimum $500,000,000.. where the hell is our government going to pull a spare 3 billion spare dollars from?? ... for one tournament lasting a couple of weeks!!

definetely not feasible

[banzai]

Originally Posted by scottwade

For someone who accuses others of ignorance, you exhibit a surprising amount yourself.

South Africa will use 10 stadiums in 2010, with capacities ranging from 40, 000 to 90,000. Similarly Germany used 12 stadiums (45,000 - 76,000).

You are suggesting, as far as I can tell; SCG, MCG, Adelaide(new), Perth (new) and Suncorp.

You also seem to suggest that only one stadium per city is used. Wrong. For example Johannesburg will have Ellis Park (60,000) and FNB Stadium (aka Soccer City) with a capacity of 95,000.

FIFA requires a minimum of 10 stadiums, with a minimum capacity of approx 40,000.

Now I am sure you can go back to the drawing board and satisfy the criteria, but perhaps next time get your facts correct, before attacking others.

Almost certain only the host city can have 2 stadiums, with Frank Lowy etc leading a bid for the World Cup Sydney would be certain to be the host city, leaving Melbourne only able to use 1 Stadium.

[agga78]

Originally Posted by The Chad

sorry but look at what a true australian poster like mantis has had to say about soccer.

it's foreign and an inferior game because it wasn't invented and isn't played by real men or real australians.

not The Chad's opinion, but that's what your average australian punter like mantis thinks.

and that's why it'll never succeed here.

I have lived in Melbourne all my life and Football is no different to any other game like Cricket, Rugby, Tenis, Golf they are all foreign sports which Australians love. It is only years of fear from old print and television media that has left less educated Australians such as yourself to come up with such stupid thoughts. It is a foreign game, it is a far superior game to other games due to the skill and passion it creates, it has a better atmosphere than any other sport and is the ultimate male sport, if you really watch the sport and go to a game without the bigotry you make find you are wrong.

[Guus_Hiddink]

Originally Posted by scottwade

For someone who accuses others of ignorance, you exhibit a surprising amount yourself.

South Africa will use 10 stadiums in 2010, with capacities ranging from 40, 000 to 90,000. Similarly Germany used 12 stadiums (45,000 - 76,000).

You are suggesting, as far as I can tell; SCG, MCG, Adelaide(new), Perth (new) and Suncorp.

You also seem to suggest that only one stadium per city is used. Wrong. For example Johannesburg will have Ellis Park (60,000) and FNB Stadium (aka Soccer City) with a capacity of 95,000.

FIFA requires a minimum of 10 stadiums, with a minimum capacity of approx 40,000.

Now I am sure you can go back to the drawing board and satisfy the criteria, but perhaps next time get your facts correct, before attacking others.

Only one city will have two stadiums and that will be Sydney who will use Aussie stadium and Telstra Stadium.

I was only talking about the stadiums which clash with AFL. The point I was making was that there is a way around the seasons and that they dont need to be put on hold rather all we need to do is arrange the fixtures and venues around.

FWIW here is my stadium list:

Telstra Stadium (83K) - Pretty much WC ready
Aussie Stadium (45K now) - A bit outdated, renovate and expand to 60K
Suncorp stadium (55K) - Also ready
MCG/Expand new rectangular stadium to 60K - leaves Telstra Dome available for AFL.
New stadiums in Perth and Adealide at minimum FIFA capacity
Redevelop Bruce stadium in Canberra, EnergyAustralia Stadium in Newcastle, Dairyfarmers stadium in Townsville and WIN stadium in Wollongong to meet minimum standards.

There you go - 10 stadiums, 4 of which are over 50,000 capacity, with two over 60,000 capacity.

[wooostace]

Start it the week after the grand final.

[W.Bulldogs_Aus_WC06]

well if they want 1 per state and 10 minimum it aint gonna work is it?
so if those are the rules they will change them if they want it here

possible stadiums:
MCG
Bubble
T Dome
expanded Hindmarsh and/or new stadium
Members Equity/new stadium which is being built anyway is it?
Suncorp + new stadium
Aussie Stadium + telstra stadium/ new stadium
tassie can have one too
and darwin if it wants...

I'd say we'd probably build 5+ new stadiums if it was to be held here

the world cup goes for a month. Yes the world cup for Australia finished after 2 weeks but the better teams did continue after that...

this is absolutely a once in a lifetime opportunity and to deny it because you dont want a few weeks off of footy would be rediculous.

[Inferno]

Wow a lot of people are scared of soccer lol. The AFL season will be fine it just means we can't play at the MCG for a couple of weeks (which we survived without after the Commonwealth Games) and might have to move a couple of games to Princes Park or Geelong. The other cities are fine.

Originally Posted by James23

australia in the box seat?? hahah stupid call.. fifa requirements for a world cup include a minimum 10 world class stadiums seating a minimum of 50,000 each.. with a preference of no more than 1 or 2 per state.. we have the mcg, telstra stadium, and suncorp stadium as suitable venues.. where are the other 7 going to come from? ok maybe the new perth stadium.. 6 more stadiums to build before 2018??

say stadiums cost minimum $500,000,000.. where the hell is our government going to pull a spare 3 billion spare dollars from?? ... for one tournament lasting a couple of weeks!!

definetely not feasible

First of all it's 40,000. Second of all it's 2 in one city and 1 in 8 others. That means Sydney Football Stadium, the new bubbledome in Melbourne (only one of these can be used), MCG, Telstra Stadium, Suncorp and the new stadium in Perth (if we move AFL games to Subiaco during the WC) are all good.

Adelaide will obviously get a stadium, the Gold Coast might as well have one as well with the new A-league team coming in next season, Newcastle can get an upgrade + temp seating as can Townsville. Thats 9 stadiums, you could throw one in Geelong, Gosford or Wollongong to get around the system and they are an hour away from major cities. Geelong and Wollongong will probably have an A-league team by then anyway and Gosford already have the Mariners.

A loophole around this is to co-host the WC with New Zealand which adds another 2 stadiums (Auckland which will be easy to upgrade and Wellington which is 36,000).

[Guus_Hiddink]

Originally Posted by James23

australia in the box seat?? hahah stupid call.. fifa requirements for a world cup include a minimum 10 world class stadiums seating a minimum of 50,000 each.. with a preference of no more than 1 or 2 per state.. we have the mcg, telstra stadium, and suncorp stadium as suitable venues.. where are the other 7 going to come from? ok maybe the new perth stadium.. 6 more stadiums to build before 2018??

say stadiums cost minimum $500,000,000.. where the hell is our government going to pull a spare 3 billion spare dollars from?? ... for one tournament lasting a couple of weeks!!

definetely not feasible

Dude you have no idea, you dont even know how long a world cup goes for. The minimum capacity for stadiums is 38,000. Check out the attendance for a match at last years world cup:

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive...40/report.html

[redozboy]

Originally Posted by The Chad

and that's why it'll never succeed here.

I think the last two Sweeney Reports would dispute that.

Also the participation rates for Football being the proverbial mile ahead of AFL & NRL (almost combined now) & growing would also suggest otherwise


As for a man's sport (god I get sick of hearing this statement) chuck a Jonathan Brown or the like into a cage fighting event & let's see if they don't get their head ripped off inside 30 seconds (it would be )

[Grunty]

Originally Posted by agga78

The AFL will have no say, Do you think the governments around Australia will let slip the chance to have over 1 million vistors to Australia and 32 billion television over the 4 weeks for a sport which is minor in the world sporting market. We will not get the 2018 but we will get the Asian cup in 2015, the world club cup in 2009-10, the womans world cup and eventually the world cup finals in 2022-2030 period.

By putting our hand up for the 2018 World Cup, we will probably get it in 2022.

[shoe]

Originally Posted by Guus_Hiddink

LOL I have a good laugh when I read what you clueless and ignorant folk have to say about soccer...The world cup has to be in June and July. Australia may be in the wrong time zone for Europe but we are in prime time for the lucrative Asian TV market, and you are forgetting one thing - FIFA is a business, they dont care how its done as long as they can make a buck out of it - and we have a proven track record on hosting major events.

The AFL will tell them to shove it....yeah right - its upto the government and the stadiums themselves to support a world cup bid. Since the AFL doesnt own any stadium and will not own the dome till 2030, all they can do is try and use their influence.

The AFL has massive influence, but even that is dwarfed by the prospect of hosting the FIFA world cup, which is the single biggest event on the planet. When governments weigh up the benefits - infrastructure improvements, massive tourist $$$, international recognition; against the costs - a handful of pissed off AFL and NRL ferals, its really a no brainer.

The seasons do not need to be put on hold at all, remember that Melbourne will only be able to use one stadium. Also remember when the commonwealth games last year that all games in Melbourne were at the Telstra Dome for the first four or five rounds - I dont see why we cant do this again for a couple of extra rounds this time. Anyway, its more likely if we win the bid that the new rectangular stadium wiould be expanded. Same goes for Sydney, use the SCG instead of Telstra Stadium, even make the blockbuster fixtures there before and after the stadium is needed for the world cup. Adelaide and Perth will have soccer specific stadiums - AAMI is too far away from the action, its not a soccer stadium. Also, you would think they would build a new stadium in Perth for the Western Force which the Glory could use also. The Broncos can play at the new gold coast stadium for a few weeks, use Suncorp for world cup matches.

Problem Solved.

At the rate Perth is going we probably couldn't have a soccer stadium built by 2020..