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Did Hadley ever play as a KPP?

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You guys would know more than me about this at this point. Ratten said today that he'll be playing Waite as a CHB (which has divided the Carlton fraternity, let me tell you) and that possible options for CHF would include Kreuzer, Fisher, Cloke and Richard Hadley.

This surprised me, I know Hadley's not exactly a shortarse but he doesn't strike me as a KPP type. In his time with the Lions did he ever play this sort of role? Thanks :)
 
No. Played as an inside midfielder for the Lions, and this year he played a few games as a small defender. Don't know about the ressies, but I believe he played CHB as a junior.
 
Cheers for that :thumbsu:

Indeed an interesting choice to say the least. Obviously he's keeping his options open and thinking of trying something different to a traditional CHF, which teams have done in the past with some success. Although it seems very odd to regard him as a possible 'solution'.
 

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Good luck to Hadley at his new club- don't know the guy but from afar he seems like a nice enough bloke and may well prove successful in a new environment.

However, an episode from one of the few games he played at the Gabba last season said it all for me- the ball went to an unoccupied forward pocket, leaving Hadley and his opponent, who were near the centre, with a full-on sprint. It was obvious that Hadley, who even before the 2 knee reco's was never the fastest player and relied mainly on his close-in skills, had lost a great deal of running power.

Don't know whether lost speed can ever be recovered. And it's very hard to cover this deficiency in the modern running, full-court press game.
 
If Hadley returns to peak fitness and mobility (and presumably 2008 will be better than 2007 in that regard), then he could fill a role as a workhorse CHF. While his speed was never outstanding, you don't really need brilliant pace to play that role - a good engine is far more important. For his height, I never thought that he was outstanding overhead so he will need to work on that, particularly if he doesn't have the pace to burn off his opponent. He also has never seemed to have any sort of vertical leap although perhaps my view has been tarnished by last year where he struggled athletically at times.

He should certainly be viewed as an option to play across half forward but I would have thought that the Blues would be better off using him as a big body in the middle, allowing their quite good running types to play off him. If he plays forward, the closest match I can think of is Mitch Hahn who is a good role player but hardly a dominant force as a key forward.
 
Yeah, I did do a bit of a double take when I saw Ratts list him as an option there.

Sure, blokes can develop and add new strings to their bows -- remember Bradshaw was considered a FF or nothing till they tried him on Tarrant one day and he stitched him up nicely.

But IMHO Haddles is very suspect overhead, certainly for a guy of 190cm. His size has always been great for putting on big hits or blocks, breaking or at least standing up in tackles, and keeping the ball clear of tacklers, but if anyone can remember Richard taking a single strong overhead grab in 7 years, I'd be surprised.

In the 2003 GF, a ball was hooked straight up into the air, and I remember him jumping up headlong into a huge pack -- the ball was jarred free and I think Aker ended up zipping on to the spill and goaled -- but gutsy as it was, Richard was still trying to jump to take a chest mark, rather than use the hands. That's signature Hadley for me.

I'd be concerned having him playing on a tall with great hands -- not convinced he could combat that.
 
Can't see Hadley succeeding as a key defender or even a flanker - too slow - especially on the turn, not strong overhead, and prone to making some dreadful fumbles when under pressure. That said, he should have heaps of improvement in him, which is the main reason I think the Lions were disappointed to only receive a low draft pick from Carlton during trade week in return for all their patience with him over the years whilst he recuperated from his injuries.
 
If Ratts sees Kreuzer, Fisher, Cloke and Hadley as CHF options in 2008, then we're f^cked :mad:

Fisher; 4th tall at best :thumbsdown:
Cloke; Don't go there :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Kruezer; he's 17 y/o for gods sake, not Jonathan Brown :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Hadley; Mobility was not his strong point pre-ACL.....so why would it improve afterwards.

Hope I'm wrong but I think Ratts and Albino Knights will vie for biggest dud appointments for a long time :(
 
TwoBlueEyes said:
If Ratts sees Kreuzer, Fisher, Cloke and Hadley as CHF options in 2008, then we're f^cked :mad:

Fisher; 4th tall at best :thumbsdown:
Cloke; Don't go there :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Kruezer; he's 17 y/o for gods sake, not Jonathan Brown :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Hadley; Mobility was not his strong point pre-ACL.....so why would it improve afterwards.

Hope I'm wrong but I think Ratts and Albino Knights will vie for biggest dud appointments for a long time :(
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Definitely not convinced on Knights... his record at Bendigo was nothing special.

I reckon Ratten could go alright though, he was a tough competitor on the field, and will transfer that into his coaching.
 

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TwoBlueEyes said:
If Ratts sees Kreuzer, Fisher, Cloke and Hadley as CHF options in 2008, then we're f^cked :mad:

Fisher; 4th tall at best :thumbsdown:
Cloke; Don't go there :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Kruezer; he's 17 y/o for gods sake, not Jonathan Brown :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Hadley; Mobility was not his strong point pre-ACL.....so why would it improve afterwards.

Hope I'm wrong but I think Ratts and Albino Knights will vie for biggest dud appointments for a long time :(
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Well now aren't you Mr Positive
 
TwoBlueEyes said:
If Ratts sees Kreuzer, Fisher, Cloke and Hadley as CHF options in 2008, then we're f^cked

Fisher; 4th tall at best
Cloke; Don't go there
Kruezer; he's 17 y/o for gods sake, not Jonathan Brown
Hadley; Mobility was not his strong point pre-ACL.....so why would it improve afterwards.

Hope I'm wrong but I think Ratts and Albino Knights will vie for biggest dud appointments for a long time :(
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Who do you really follow?

You talked Kreuzer down the other day and he hasn't even played a game.

And you just posted that Murphy won't be in the top three of the 05 draft in another thread on this board.

I'm not convinced you're really a Carlton supporter.

This is another questionable post when Collier is a backman.
TwoBlueEyes said:
Geez, hate to have that problem, too many tall forwards :rolleyes:

We have one forward of note, and a crack-pot at that :mad:

O to have a Henderson, Collier, Clark, Tyler, Leuenberger in the wings (
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TheGeneral said:
Who do you really follow?

You talked Kreuzer down the other day and he hasn't even played a game.

And you just posted that Murphy won't be in the top three of the 05 draft in another thread on this board.

I'm not convinced you're really a Carlton supporter.
This is another questionable post when Collier is a backman.
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I couldn't give a flying **** what a little twat like you thinks about who my club of support is.

I prefer to call things as I see it, not powder coat the diabolical situation our once great club sees itself in now b/c of people like you, people who think that every decision made by Carlton recently is correct and support everything they do just because you "suuport"

FYI, I was rating Brisbane's KP prospects, not only their forwards......if you hadn't noticed, only Henderson and Clark are forwards, the others are key backs and a ruckman.
 
xplo said:
Yeah, I did do a bit of a double take when I saw Ratts list him as an option there.

Sure, blokes can develop and add new strings to their bows -- remember Bradshaw was considered a FF or nothing till they tried him on Tarrant one day and he stitched him up nicely.

But IMHO Haddles is very suspect overhead, certainly for a guy of 190cm. His size has always been great for putting on big hits or blocks, breaking or at least standing up in tackles, and keeping the ball clear of tacklers, but if anyone can remember Richard taking a single strong overhead grab in 7 years, I'd be surprised.

In the 2003 GF, a ball was hooked straight up into the air, and I remember him jumping up headlong into a huge pack -- the ball was jarred free and I think zipped on to the spill and goaled -- but gutsy as it was, Richard was still trying to jump to take a chest mark, rather than use the hands. That's signature Hadley for me.

I'd be concerned having him playing on a tall with great hands -- not convinced he could combat that.
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Read the article properly and Ratten is not quoted as saying Hadley is an option for CHF, instead the journalist as just reeled of 4 or 5 names of players who could possibly play through there know that Ratten is intent on settling Waite at CHB... Don't think too much should be read into this article as realisticallt Hadley isn't going to be playing CHF at an AFL club any time soon... Just goes toshow how journalists/media and can spin doctor things to suit themselves and people can misinterepret articles if they don't read them properly. Check again there is no Ratten quote - stating Hadley is a CHF option.....
 
TwoBlueEyes said:
I couldn't give a flying **** what a little twat like you thinks about who my club of support is.

I prefer to call things as I see it, not powder coat the diabolical situation our once great club sees itself in now b/c of people like you, people who think that every decision made by Carlton recently is correct and support everything they do just because you "suuport"

FYI, I was rating Brisbane's KP prospects, not only their forwards......if you hadn't noticed, only Henderson and Clark are forwards, the others are key backs and a ruckman.
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Pfft, only one forward of note? How about Fisher, who averaged 2 goals a game (22nd best in the competition)? :rolleyes:
 

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xplo said:
Yeah, I did do a bit of a double take when I saw Ratts list him as an option there.

Sure, blokes can develop and add new strings to their bows -- remember Bradshaw was considered a FF or nothing till they tried him on Tarrant one day and he stitched him up nicely.

But IMHO Haddles is very suspect overhead, certainly for a guy of 190cm. His size has always been great for putting on big hits or blocks, breaking or at least standing up in tackles, and keeping the ball clear of tacklers, but if anyone can remember Richard taking a single strong overhead grab in 7 years, I'd be surprised.

In the 2003 GF, a ball was hooked straight up into the air, and I remember him jumping up headlong into a huge pack -- the ball was jarred free and I think zipped on to the spill and goaled -- but gutsy as it was, Richard was still trying to jump to take a chest mark, rather than use the hands. That's signature Hadley for me.

I'd be concerned having him playing on a tall with great hands -- not convinced he could combat that.
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blues4flag said:
Pfft, only one forward of note? How about Fisher, who averaged 2 goals a game (22nd best in the competition)? :rolleyes:
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Here here is Fisher is only a 4th fwd at best, then birdbrain should chage his name from two blues eyes to two blind eyes or better stull jsut plain stupid. Fisher gets better every year and after overcoming a lot of injuries early in his career is developing into an elite medium sized marking forward. Fisher would get a game in any AFL side...
 
Shangalang said:
Here here is Fisher is only a 4th fwd at best, then birdbrain should chage his name from two blues eyes to two blind eyes or better stull jsut plain stupid. Fisher gets better every year and after overcoming a lot of injuries early in his career is developing into an elite medium sized marking forward. Fisher would get a game in any AFL side...
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You guys are missing my point; Fisher is a 4th forward option type player in my book, not a 2nd as he is currently at Carlton.

I was not knocking the bloke at all, in fact I think he will end up in the top bracket medium forwards catergory down the track :thumbsu:

But for us to start climbing the ladder again, we need a couple more taller/bigger options up forward than Brad Fisher so that he can become the 4th or 5th player opposition coaches look at stopping......

Also, please don't revert to name calling simply b/c you don't agree with someone's post, it makes you look silly and incapable of a proper response :thumbsdown:
 
Oi!! Are you blokes lost or something, this is the Brisbane Lions Board, take your bickering elsewhere please. Want me to move your posts over to the Calrton Board to make it easier for you?
 

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