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Theres some toe-dipping by the AFL with fixtures set to test the waters on thursday, monday and twilight saturday

BUT if you look they all seem like they will be on Foxtel, which means of they are to be a true test then the 9th weekly game will probably also end up on foxtel.

Which in turn means they think the extra revenue (which will help to support these two new teams) will come from pay TV subscriptions rather than TV advertising and sponsorship
 
Pessimistic said:
Theres some toe-dipping by the AFL with fixtures set to test the waters on thursday, monday and twilight saturday

BUT if you look they all seem like they will be on Foxtel, which means of they are to be a true test then the 9th weekly game will probably also end up on foxtel.

Which in turn means they think the extra revenue (which will help to support these two new teams) will come from pay TV subscriptions rather than TV advertising and sponsorship
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Scumbag money-grubbing b@stards. Even if it's not true, they still are.
 
All Foxtel do is show the games that FTA don't want to show (ie the ones that aren't going to make them any money). Foxtel are the good guys, if it weren't for them nobody would have access to more than 5 games a week.
 

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There doesn't need to be a regular 9th game in an 18 team league.

The AFL currently has 23 week season for 2009, right? In 2008, with the tribute game and two byes per team, it was 24 weeks, right?

The AFL were mentioning about a 24 week season in an 18 team league.

Well, that means two byes per team. That means 36 byes in total.

So, it effectively means, of the 24 rounds, 18 of them have eight games and only six have nine games.

Of the six that have nine game, three of those can be the public holiday rounds, where the "9th" game is effectively the Monday public holiday (or whatever day Anzac day falls on if it's a weekday)

So, it only leaves three normal rounds that need a "9th game timeslot"

So, that's only three Monday night games, essentially (assuming Monday was the new timeslot) that would be needed for a 24 week season with 18 teams playing 22 matches.
 
There's no way that the free to air channels would allow Monday night or Thursday night games to go to pay TV. They would be ratings bonanzas, and Pay TV as a general rule of thumb only gets the games that the free to air networks reject.
 
Ideally the AFL would like to sell the ninth game as a Thursday or Monday night standalone product to a FTA network, that's why they're trialling it. The Saturday twilight game would fit best with team fitness programs leading to less short breaks, but it would undoubtedly be consigned to Fox because Ten (or whoever buys Saturdays) wouldn't be able to show it and wouldn't want that game shown on a rival FTA network either. Who knows, the Thu/Mon game could get sold to Nine.
 
m0nty said:
Ideally the AFL would like to sell the ninth game as a Thursday or Monday night standalone product to a FTA network, that's why they're trialling it. The Saturday twilight game would fit best with team fitness programs leading to less short breaks, but it would undoubtedly be consigned to Fox because Ten (or whoever buys Saturdays) wouldn't be able to show it and wouldn't want that game shown on a rival FTA network either. Who knows, the Thu/Mon game could get sold to Nine.
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There doesn't need to be a 9th game on a regular basis. Three times a year is all that is required for the "9th extra timselot"

If the AFL structure the season correctly and make sure the "byes" are not over one split round but staggered over the season (like the NFL does it) the AFL can continue to have 8 games per round for 18 of the 24 weeks.
 
Dan26 said:
There doesn't need to be a 9th game on a regular basis. Three times a year is all that is required for the "9th extra timselot"

If the AFL structure the season correctly and make sure the "byes" are not over one split round but staggered over the season (like the NFL does it) the AFL can continue to have 8 games per round for 18 of the 24 weeks.
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I thought we were talking about when there are 18 teams. Surely they'd play 9 games every week with 18 teams?
 
m0nty said:
I thought we were talking about when there are 18 teams. Surely they'd play 9 games every week with 18 teams?
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Not necessarily. Not if the AFL had any brains.

The NFL has 32 teams. They don't play 16 games per round. They play 15 over a 17 week schedule (everyone has a bye)

The AFL makes everyone have a bye over the split round, right? In 2008, everyone has 2 byes, because of the tribute game over a 24 week season.

Well, why do all of those 32 byes (2 byes per team) have to be over the same two weekends?

Why can't 2 teams have byes each week over the middle 18 rounds of the season (rounds 4-21)

That means there are 24 weeks, with each team playing 22 games (like 2008)

It means there are 18 rounds with eight games and 6 rounds with 9 games.

And as I mentioned with my ealier post in this thread, the rounds where the public holiday falls can be three of the rounds which have 9 games. In these rounds the public holiday Monday is the "9th timeslot" (or whatever weekday Anzac Day falls on)

So, really, only the other three rounds that have 9 games have to find an extra "9th" timeslot.

It's a pretty simple structure which the AFL could and should use.
 

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m0nty said:
I thought we were talking about when there are 18 teams. Surely they'd play 9 games every week with 18 teams?
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Okay Dan26, I read your post, now it makes sense. Couple of questions, though:

Rolling byes are all very well, but there's a reason the current split round is in the middle of the year, because it's the perfect time for the players to have a break. What is the point of having a bye in week 1 or 2? Players get no respite.

Also, how unbalancing would it be for a team to have a bye in the last fortnight before finals, or even the last month? It leads to all sorts of scenarios where clubs get an unfair advantage leading into finals with late byes.

Perhaps a hybrid approach would be better. No byes for the first 4 and last 4 weeks, similar to how the NFL structure it. It would mean more Mon/Thu games but it means that it's more manageable.
 
Actually, on further thought, you'd actually have to do it with no byes in 8 of the 24 weeks - most likely in the first 4 and last 4 - because that leaves a block of 16 weeks in the middle where there are two teams on bye each week. You can't have an odd number of teams on bye in a 16 team comp, of course. It's all coming up Milhouse!
 
m0nty said:
Okay Dan26, I read your post, now it makes sense. Couple of questions, though:

Rolling byes are all very well, but there's a reason the current split round is in the middle of the year, because it's the perfect time for the players to have a break. What is the point of having a bye in week 1 or 2? Players get no respite.
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There would be no byes in week one or two. In the NFL, there are no byes in the first three weeks or the last three weeks. Just the weeks in between.

So, the byes would take place between rounds 4-21. Each teams gets two byes, no more than say, 8 weeks apart (eg round 4 and 12, rounds 5 and 13, rounds 6 and 14 etc)

m0nty said:
Also, how unbalancing would it be for a team to have a bye in the last fortnight before finals, or even the last month? It leads to all sorts of scenarios where clubs get an unfair advantage leading into finals with late byes
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This wouldn't happen. With 18 teams, it means 36 byes. That means two byes per round in 18 rounds. No byes in six rounds. The last 3 rounds would have no byes. Neither would the first three.


That's what I'd do if I was in charge, anyway.

Oh and I'd institue Wednesday Night Football, but that's another story. ;)
 
Ah crap, yes, 18 weeks with eight. Sorry, still stuck in 16-team thinking! Yeah so first 3 and last 3 with nine.

Sounds good. Would completely suck for Dream Team and other fantasy comps though! :eek:
 
m0nty said:
Actually, on further thought, you'd actually have to do it with no byes in 8 of the 24 weeks - most likely in the first 4 and last 4 - because that leaves a block of 16 weeks in the middle where there are two teams on bye each week. You can't have an odd number of teams on bye in a 16 team comp, of course. It's all coming up Milhouse!
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With an 18 team competition, you'd have no byes (9 games per round) in 6 of the 24 weeks, mOnty.

You'd have two byes per round (8 games per round) in the middle 18 weeks.
 
Soul_Pie said:
There's no way that the free to air channels would allow Monday night or Thursday night games to go to pay TV. They would be ratings bonanzas, and Pay TV as a general rule of thumb only gets the games that the free to air networks reject.
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not taking note of the NRL then, in which there are 2 Friday night games on 9 and 1 on a Sunday arvo. only 1 of these live.

Fox show everything else, including the Monday night fixture which 9 do not want to touch with channel 7s money. they consider it ratings suicide.

in a 9 game round, fox would show 5 and 4 on FTA. at least Fox have the courtesy to show the games live.
 
I wonder, would that structure also work for the 17-team comp in 2011, and possibly onwards if Western Sydney don't get their shizen together?

24 rounds
Rounds 1-10: 8 games per week, one team on bye
Rounds 11-15: 7 games per week, three teams on bye
Rounds 16-24: 8 games per week, one team on bye

Total of 10 + 5*3 + 9 = 34 byes.
 
m0nty said:
I wonder, would that structure also work for the 17-team comp in 2011, and possibly onwards if Western Sydney don't get their shizen together?

24 rounds
Rounds 1-10: 8 games per week, one team on bye
Rounds 11-15: 7 games per week, three teams on bye
Rounds 16-24: 8 games per week, one team on bye

Total of 10 + 5*3 + 9 = 34 byes.
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Yesm it would work perfectly, but it wouldn't need to be implemented, because there would be no "9th timeslot" required, since there would still be no more than 8 games per round.
 
Dan26 said:
Yesm it would work perfectly, but it wouldn't need to be implemented, because there would be no "9th timeslot" required, since there would still be no more than 8 games per round.
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Sure, but it works to deliver 17 teams playing 22 times each.
 
Dan26 said:
There doesn't need to be a 9th game on a regular basis. Three times a year is all that is required for the "9th extra timselot"

If the AFL structure the season correctly and make sure the "byes" are not over one split round but staggered over the season (like the NFL does it) the AFL can continue to have 8 games per round for 18 of the 24 weeks.
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AD on TV just now says differently/

The 9th game is for extra revanue to pay for the expansion to 18 teams - seeing as they realised relocating 2 teams would hurt the game more

There will be 9 games per week AND 24 rounds so everyone still gets to play collingwood as often as they do now
 
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