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Jonathan Giles?

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robboaustralia

robboaustralia

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As an avid Crows and Sturt supporter I was wondering what everyones thoughts are on whether Jonathan Giles would be good at AFL level and perhaps with the Crows (maybe a late draft pick)? He has had a pretty good season in the SANFL and he is only 22 and likes to kick a few goals. Could be a good replacement for Jonothan Griffin if he heads back to the west as reported. Giles was delisted by the Power after being picked up at pick #70 in 2005.

Is this just a bad call or something we could consider?
　
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Age: 22 Height: 200cm Weight: 100kg
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Considering Ports ruck situation when he was delisted definitely no. He wouldn't be better than anything we have got.

What I think people are forgetting when throwing up ruckman is the fact that we are short of Quality ruckman not quantity. But this isn't going to stop us being linked to Jacobs, Fraser, Hale, Wood etc who all wouldn't add a great deal to our side either.

Maric, Griffin, Craig, Moran, Tippett, Mckernan make up our core list. Next year presume Tippett is out of the picture because he is up forward and Griffin goes to WA. Thats still 4 options in the ruck. The only way we would consider picking up ruckman is if Moran or Mckernan go aswell as Griffin which is unlikely at the moment.
 
He chucked the sulks when he got delisted from Port Power and blamed Centrals for not giving him enough opportunity (he was in Centrals 2008 and 2009 Premiership sides, so don't know how much more opportunity he could get) and stormed off to Sturt.

Wouldn't be the sort of person I'd want at the club.
 

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Henesey said:
Considering Ports ruck situation when he was delisted definitely no. He wouldn't be better than anything we have got.

What I think people are forgetting when throwing up ruckman is the fact that we are short of Quality ruckman not quantity. But this isn't going to stop us being linked to Jacobs, Fraser, Hale, Wood etc who all wouldn't add a great deal to our side either.

Maric, Griffin, Craig, Moran, Tippett, Mckernan make up our core list. Next year presume Tippett is out of the picture because he is up forward and Griffin goes to WA. Thats still 4 options in the ruck. The only way we would consider picking up ruckman is if Moran or Mckernan go aswell as Griffin which is unlikely at the moment.
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No, I think if Griffin does go that we very much do need another back up. Moran, if he's even on our list next year, is very much an unknown quantity with regards to the state of his knee and how he recovers from it. Tippett is, as you say very much regarded as a KPF. All the other options are all undersized, very much unproven and probably no more than #2 ruck options, not legitimate #1 options.

This puts a lot of pressure on Maric, we can't rely on Moran here, should Maric go down with injury, suddenly we're having to drastically alter our structure moving Tippett away from the forward line, into the #1 ruck spot.

The difference between say Fraser, Jacobs et al. and Giles is the price that we would have to pay. I don't have a problem with us picking up an "average, yet adequate" ruckman as backup, if the cost is low. Giles will cost us at most a 4th or 5th round ND pick. What will Jacobs or Fraser cost? As long as we're not seeking these guys to be the "ultimate answer" to our mediocre ruck department and hence play an overinflated price for them, I don't mind.

The other thing with Giles is he has improved drastically this year, since being delisted by the Power and moving across to Sturt from Centrals. He has kept two very good SANFL level ruckman in Kurtze and Bowen stuck in the ressies for much of the year. Ruckman do tend to take a little more time, some make their mark early (see Kruezer/Naitanui) others take a lot, lot longer (see Jamar or Jolly). So I wouldn't write off Giles, just because he was delisted from Ports list.
 
brucetiki said:
He chucked the sulks when he got delisted from Port Power and blamed Centrals for not giving him enough opportunity (he was in Centrals 2008 and 2009 Premiership sides, so don't know how much more opportunity he could get) and stormed off to Sturt.

Wouldn't be the sort of person I'd want at the club.
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Considering his relative success at Sturt this year and the fact that he will more than likely be redrafted this year to an AFL club, I think he may have had a fair case:eek:
 
James_37 said:
Considering his relative success at Sturt this year and the fact that he will more than likely be redrafted this year to an AFL club, I think he may have had a fair case:eek:
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I would consider a mature age rookie spot if he has really improved that much or any other State league ruckman for that matter.
 
I always liked him, even when he was playing in the SANFL reserves. Basing the fact that he can't play because he got delisted is a poor call. Ruckmen take time, some develop later than others, and Giles has improved MASSIVELY this year and is definitely worthy of being drafted. I'm not sure where he'd go, whether a late pick (3rd/4th) or slip to the rookie list, but I'd certainly not hesitate to take the punt. He's been dominant in the SANFL this year, easily the competitions best and most consistent ruckman; just two weeks ago he had 51 hitouts against Norwood (admittedly against 2 very young ruckmen).

To me he could step into an AFL team right now and get 20 hitouts and 10-12 possessions per game. He’s got strong hands, is a good competitor, is a beautiful kick of the footy and can go forward and kick a goal. He was always considered a pretty reasonable athlete and on top of that I think he’s added a lot more hardness to his game. Go for it I reckon. :thumbsu:
 
I would like to see us have a look with a late draft pick, going by his form in the Sanfl this year.

Played against him as a junior but admittedly haven't seen alot of him at league level. Is he stronger than Grif(maybe a silly question)? Is he harder at it and does he have better skills and footy brain?

As someone has mentioned a late draft pick or a PS pick is a smal price to pay for someone that could potentially fill u huge need on our list. He is only 22, mind you.
 
Some years ago we picked up a discarded Port ruckmen in the draft - around 30 if my memory is correct - Rhett Biglands - and he proved a very useful addition.
There can be a sense that some players are discarded out of the system before they have had a chance to fully show their abilities - currently Ed Curnow.
Probaly worth a chance
 

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jag said:
Some years ago we picked up a discarded Port ruckmen in the draft - around 30 if my memory is correct - Rhett Biglands - and he proved a very useful addition.
There can be a sense that some players are discarded out of the system before they have had a chance to fully show their abilities - currently Ed Curnow.
Probaly worth a chance
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Different circumstances, different period in history - I seem to recall us wasting a draft pick on the best friend of our first round pick from the same draft just to keep him happy. That sort of unprofessional stuff doesn't happen anymore, things that worked in drafts and trading in the previous decade - which despite the professional status of the league, were still very amateur - don't necessarily translate anymore, now that the professionalism of list management has mostly caught up with the business and sports science aspects.
 
Drummond said:
I always liked him, even when he was playing in the SANFL reserves. Basing the fact that he can't play because he got delisted is a poor call. Ruckmen take time, some develop later than others, and Giles has improved MASSIVELY this year and is definitely worthy of being drafted. I'm not sure where he'd go, whether a late pick (3rd/4th) or slip to the rookie list, but I'd certainly not hesitate to take the punt. He's been dominant in the SANFL this year, easily the competitions best and most consistent ruckman; just two weeks ago he had 51 hitouts against Norwood (admittedly against 2 very young ruckmen).

To me he could step into an AFL team right now and get 20 hitouts and 10-12 possessions per game. He’s got strong hands, is a good competitor, is a beautiful kick of the footy and can go forward and kick a goal. He was always considered a pretty reasonable athlete and on top of that I think he’s added a lot more hardness to his game. Go for it I reckon. :thumbsu:
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I agree, has had an outstanding year. Has improved vastly and word on the street is the PAPS are looking very closely at redrafting him. I would take him with a late pick if Griff goes, cant rely on Moran having been out of the game for a year. Personally I would throw some coin towards Dean Cox to get him here.
 
I would take a punt on him. He's improved a LOT this year. Delisting from Port plus a change of SANFL clubs has done wonders. He is leading the ruck for Sturt with authority, something he never did at all at Central and I have seen a lot of Giles, I used to think he was useless, handy backup at SANFL level let alone AFL but this year he is a new man. Works very hard around the ground, gets involved in the play, drops back to fill the hole and moves forward and kicks goals. Slaughters most of his opponents in the hitouts as well, I don't think he's been beaten clearly once all year. He is still young and still has improvement left in him. Is better than Griffin ever was already, beat him clearly in the game they played against each other earlier in the year. I was amazed at the time but he has kept his form up. His main problem may be his attitude which has caused problems in the past but given his approach this season (he'd be up there as a Magarey favourite), he may have changed that too. See how he goes in finals pressure if they make it.
 
Given his dominant SANFL form, the fact he is only 22 yrs old, and he has had a taste in the AFL system, I'd say he is certainly worth a late pick/mature rookie spot.

At 22 yrs, he could have a break out year next year and possibly even take our number 1 spot. The thing that attracts me is how cheap he'd come. I dont want to address our ruck situation this year at the expense of addressing the midfield. If we could adequately address it with a late pick then there is nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Late picks are speculative anyway. At 22 yrs old (being a ruckman) you can guarantee he'll get better considering they dont start to peak until 24+ yrs. And he is a good size.

Given the little cost, I'd so go for it.
 
James_37 said:
Considering his relative success at Sturt this year and the fact that he will more than likely be redrafted this year to an AFL club, I think he may have had a fair case:eek:
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He's had a great SANFL season and improved immeasurably.
Worth at least looking at, good size but have to be cheap.
Ruckman definitely improve with age and this year Giles has certainly done that.

What do I know though for I like another "Port reject" as well.
Still think we should look at Nick Lower as an onballer and only an onballer, no one goes in harder than this kid, definitely not played in the right position when with Port.
His disposal isn't as bad as a lot of people claim and he's a lot more mature now plus his vision is first class.
Standout player now in the SANFL,I'm sure he'll have a good finals series.
 

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