2012 draft

[TigerTime88]

I want broomhead going off highlights...looks good!

 

[Robbo92]

I wouldnt be surprised if we called out Lonergans name with pick 9 if Vlastuin is off the board.

I would be both surprised and disappointed.

 

[Bazzar]

Few days ago the HUN had 19yo 203cm 84g Darcy Fort from the Geelong Falcons, draft range 40 and above in the mix for the Tiges. Article said according to some astute judges was the best ruckman in the TAC by the end of the season. Since we dont have a young one, he would have to be in the mix if available.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Hey tigs2010, wondering how sure you are that we'll pass on Stringer if he's available?

I know you don't rate him particularly well, could you give some insight as to why?

Thanks

Any knocks on his character? I've heard mixed reports, ranging from 'great kid' to 'complete douche'.

Same.

Certainly did/acted a certain way that was bad enough to get booted from the AIS, earlier in the year.
But reports I read from (I think) one of his coaches, from later in the year, were really positive.

So it could be anywhere from 'bit immature to getting there' to 'has dumb mates' to 'axe murderer'... we may never know the full story.

I'd hazard a guess that the clubs, between them, would have a fair idea.

Most rate him top ~20-25 for talent, so if he goes pick 393, it'll be a pretty good pointer. If he goes pick 15, then, well, at least one club reckons he's OK.

You talking about Stringer Slats? Or Garlett?

 

[Slattery_20]

The latter. Reading back, I have no freaking idea why.

 

[Slattery_20]

Few days ago the HUN had 19yo 203cm 84g Darcy Fort from the Geelong Falcons, draft range 40 and above in the mix for the Tiges. Article said according to some astute judges was the best ruckman in the TAC by the end of the season. Since we dont have a young one, he would have to be in the mix if available.

84kg sounds more like rookie fodder. I'm not sure too many young rucks will get drafted, other than Grundy and McBean.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Anyone getting excited over the prospect of drafting four midfielders? Nail pick 9 and get one of 32 or 34 to come on and our midfield is set.

 

[Bazzar]

84kg sounds more like rookie fodder. I'm not sure too many young rucks will get drafted, other than Grundy and McBean.

They mentioned his weight, and how he touched up Ottens in a game this year earning praise from him, and how the new ruck rules will see clubs looking at athletic big springed jumpers.

 

[fred swift]

ok had the day off today and have spent the day watching all the vids ,must say all this love for the floss man has got me f ----- his kicking is poor to put it kindly every kick is a rain maker and will have people killed at afl level. yes love his attack at the ball and man and has good hands ,but u can find that sort of player in picks 30 to 50 range pick 9 must be x factor all class , we have gone safe last two drafts conca ellis . i still cant understand how nobody talks up simpson he will be a machine after what i saw today top 10 . o yer love mr plowman can only pray , so tigerbob tigs 2010 mr i await your theories behind your pick of flossman im with gun on this one.

 

[MR]

Which videos did you watch? Proper games or a highlights package?

 

[_RT_]

ok had the day off today and have spent the day watching all the vids ,must say all this love for the floss man has got me f ----- his kicking is poor to put it kindly every kick is a rain maker and will have people killed at afl level. yes love his attack at the ball and man and has good hands ,but u can find that sort of player in picks 30 to 50 range pick 9 must be x factor all class , we have gone safe last two drafts conca ellis . i still cant understand how nobody talks up simpson he will be a machine after what i saw today top 10 . o yer love mr plowman can only pray , so tigerbob tigs 2010 mr i await your theories behind your pick of flossman im with gun on this one.

Not sure what video you've been watching but the clips I've seen of Vlastuin show a very good kick, the only ones that could be suggested as being rain makers are the ones where he has put them into space for team mates to run on to.

 

[THE_GUN]

Cant believe everybody just becomes a Mr goody 2 shoes about recruiting kids with attitude and flair/colour

Wow Garlett is having a drink and a smoke ..... BIg F**** Deal
To anybody over 45 - do you really believe your kids havnt at least tried it or are currently socially doing the same things ?
Anybody under 45 - Did you not try or do any of this ????

Some here might know that i own/operate a Newsagency in th CBD some of the players that have come through and bought smokes from me is amazing and not really an issue as far as im concerned - Kids will do this stuff
Richardson,Carey,Franklin,Ryder,Hawkins,Daffy,Fevola,Ox,Plugger,Ablett - NO BIG DEAL

These guys know when to smoke and its usually in the off season and or once a week when they go out, Im not saying its good but - They havnt killed anybody, They are kids and will try these things

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Cant believe everybody just becomes a Mr goody 2 shoes about recruiting kids with attitude and flair/colour

Wow Garlett is having a drink and a smoke ..... BIg F**** Deal
To anybody over 45 - do you really believe your kids havnt at least tried it or are currently socially doing the same things ?
Anybody under 45 - Did you not try or do any of this ????

Some here might know that i own/operate a Newsagency in th CBD some of the players that have come through and bought smokes from me is amazing and not really an issue as far as im concerned - Kids will do this stuff
Richardson,Carey,Franklin,Ryder,Hawkins,Daffy,Fevola,Ox,Plugger,Ablett - NO BIG DEAL

These guys know when to smoke and its usually in the off season and or once a week when they go out, Im not saying its good but - They havnt killed anybody, They are kids and will try these things

Chill out Gun - Here have a smoke

 

[UpTheGuts]

Watch the Arnot interview currently on the site. Radiates professionalism.

After the Dmac, DC, Taylor, Cousins and even Dusty episodes, I am sure our commitment to bringing in quality individuals as well as players will have only strengthened.

That said, I am no puritan and would like to think we wouldn't overlook a serious talent for off-field reasons that are not material

 

[THE_GUN]

Chill out Gun - Here have a smoke

Phewwwwwwwwwwww thats better !

F***** I hate this new Packaging

 

[Tiger68]

ok had the day off today and have spent the day watching all the vids ,must say all this love for the floss man has got me f ----- his kicking is poor to put it kindly every kick is a rain maker and will have people killed at afl level. yes love his attack at the ball and man and has good hands ,but u can find that sort of player in picks 30 to 50 range pick 9 must be x factor all class , we have gone safe last two drafts conca ellis . i still cant understand how nobody talks up simpson he will be a machine after what i saw today top 10 . o yer love mr plowman can only pray , so tigerbob tigs 2010 mr i await your theories behind your pick of flossman im with gun on this one.

I agree rain makers occurred to me as we'll. Not saying extreme but has a tendency to get under them rather than kick through the ball. If we are intent on an inside mid I prefer Lonergan. Much like your thinking on Simpson, I really like Kennedy.

 

[cairo tiger]

Anyone getting excited over the prospect of drafting four midfielders? Nail pick 9 and get one of 32 or 34 to come on and our midfield is set.

thing is we dont need 4 mids- I have been banging on about this for a while- need 2 mids-a tall and a swingman back or fwd. need balance. need x factor.

 

[Damo80]

After the Dmac, DC, Taylor, Cousins and even Dusty episodes, I am sure our commitment to bringing in quality individuals as well as players will have only strengthened.

My take may be seen as a little left field... but, I would add Tambling to that list.

Now, as far as I am aware, Tambling had no off field behavioural issues, and I'm not questioning him in terms of being a "quality individual", per-se. What I'm referring to is the fact that most rated him as one of the top talents in his draft year, and while it is often argued we pulled the wrong reign in selecting him, or that our development was the issue, I would suggest that he was simply a super talented kid who never really had to work that hard to stand out as a junior. When it came to taking the next step at AFL level, he found that pure talent alone wasn't enough, and he just didn't have the determination, committment and/or mental strength to push himself to get the best out of himself. This would be my main concern with someone like Garlett (application), and why a guy like Vlastuin appeals.

 

[Damo80]

thing is we dont need 4 mids- I have been banging on about this for a while- need 2 mids-a tall and a swingman back or fwd. need balance. need x factor.

What is this "x factor" people keep banging on about?

I can't help but think "inconsistent". I.e. win a game off their own boot one week, then go missing for a month. Or are you referring to the fact that you're expecting our recruiters to jag the type of player that there is generally only two or three of in every draft, with pick 9? Obviously on face value I have a fair idea what you're meaning, just not sure it's that easy to say "we should get a couple of players with x factor", and at the same time get two or three 150+ game players from our 4 picks.

Interested to hear from the "x factor" camp exactly what you are looking for that defines it.

 

[Capitano_Cotch]

What is this "x factor" people keep banging on about?

I can't help but think "inconsistent". I.e. win a game off their own boot one week, then go missing for a month. Or are you referring to the fact that you're expecting our recruiters to jag the type of player that there is generally only two or three of in every draft, with pick 9? Obviously on face value I have a fair idea what you're meaning, just not sure it's that easy to say "we should get a couple of players with x factor", and at the same time get two or three 150+ game players from our 4 picks.

Interested to hear from the "x factor" camp exactly what you are looking for that defines it.

X-Factor is overrated.
Yes it's obviously match winning from time to time, but I think Dimma's philosophy is different.
We have a very 'defence-first' mindset and personally, I think it's the way to go.
Vlastuin would be a solid choice at 9 and could turn into someone like a Luke Hodge.
Those are the type of players who stand-up during finals time.

 

[Tiger68]

What is this "x factor" people keep banging on about?

I can't help but think "inconsistent". I.e. win a game off their own boot one week, then go missing for a month. Or are you referring to the fact that you're expecting our recruiters to jag the type of player that there is generally only two or three of in every draft, with pick 9? Obviously on face value I have a fair idea what you're meaning, just not sure it's that easy to say "we should get a couple of players with x factor", and at the same time get two or three 150+ game players from our 4 picks.

Interested to hear from the "x factor" camp exactly what you are looking for that defines it.

I'm sure there are lots of differing perceptions. My idea of X factor or what your looking for in a top 10 pick is that extra something that a player has the differentiate themselves from the pack. Does not mean inconsistent. Ie better vision or decision making than most - Edwards. Sheer pace - Jetta. Courage - Selwood. Contested mark - Richo. That something that makes them dangerous.

 

[Tiger Claw]

Gee there is alot of crap being posted atm about alot of things that most agree with but worded in different ways, Its not F**** brain surgery here guys - Plain & Simple
YOU PICK THE BEST POSSIBLE PLAYER YOU CAN AT YOUR PICK. - Regardless of needs

#32 , #34 , #43 are the selections that matter the most, If Richmond Football Club is solely relying on 1st round draft picks to get us to the next level - WE ARE F****K

My Biggest issue with taking Vlastuin is that he is more of the same, Vanilla player similar to Ellis,Conca - There is no superstar factor i can see, Sure he is inside and gets his hands dirty and a leader etc etc etc but so is Jackson,Tuck(leader in his own way)Newman.

We need more Delidio's,cotchins,Martins,Riewoldts guys that can turn games on their heads like Chapman,Ablett,Bartell,Franklin,Fyffe, etc etc - Sure they are hard to find But they are there and you dont get them going after Vanilla players.

What i have seen of Vlastuin is he is a very very reliable player that will give it his all,But looks like he is lacking pace and agility as well as having 0 X-Factor. Players that i like the look of in this draft that can become 'STARS' are apart from the toumpas,Whitfield are Stringer,Garlett,Menzel,Plowman (massive 192cm smart midfielder).

We should be looking for the Hidden Vlastuin's with our later selections.
#9 - Take the cream of the crop, The star player
#32 & #34 - Take the Workmen that are your Tuck,Jackson replacements
#43 - Take your X-Factor Big Man like a Spencer white types

Im starting to believe more & more that our coaching staff are getting to the stage where they are trying to coach for today rather than sticking to the long term plan of building properly. Vlastuin is a 'SAFE' selection for our recruiters with Low Risk but Medium Return - Lets not leave the next Buddy,Pav,Fyffe for the other teams that have the Balls to pick them

The thing is as we gain success on the ladder our chances of getting these 'amazing' players drift. What do you want. Finals footy or bottom ladder 'amazing' picks? Can't have it both ways and the way I see it people need to change their ideas about our drafting in the next couple of years. We'll build our team to finals/gf standard over that time through different means and on less than the best picks of the draft. The only way we get to improve our drafts from the top end of the ladder is by being able to trade good players for good draft picks. We aren't there yet so just go with the flow.

 

[Toadvine]

I'm sure there are lots of differing perceptions. My idea of X factor or what your looking for in a top 10 pick is that extra something that a player has the differentiate themselves from the pack. Does not mean inconsistent. Ie better vision or decision making than most - Edwards. Sheer pace - Jetta. Courage - Selwood. Contested mark - Richo. That something that makes them dangerous.

Interesting to hear Lonergan came in at number one in the AFL's "AFL120e" rankings. Or what shifter refers to as their "Moneyball rankings". Previous number one's have been Devon Smith and Dion Prestia.

 

[Tiger Claw]

Rubbish.

It is hard to not play finals before a premiership the following year because of the number of teams and a final 8. If we hard a final 5 it could easily happen. As I said GWS, if get their timing right, could do it.

Its almost saying you have to lose a GF to win one. Fact is we won't win a premiership in 2014 anyway so 2013 doesn't apply IMO. If we are targeting a premiership are you happy with finals 2015, premiership 2016???

It's not coming out of your pocket so just reap what you so mate. Sit on the sidelines and hopefully you will enjoy the ride provided by others.

 

[bigstyletiger]

Interesting to hear Lonergan came in at number one in the AFL's "AFL120e" rankings. Or what shifter refers to as their "Moneyball rankings". Previous number one's have been Devon Smith and Dion Prestia.

TV have you got a few other afl moneyball rankings? Love that stuff. Big fan of using stuff like that in recruiting.