What I don't get is that race officials knew 5 laps into the race. Why then let him race for another 52 laps and 6 hours later DQ him? Shambles from both sides and poor Dan was stuck in the middle.
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Just speechless, was there today and thought he drove amazingly well, really gutted for him.
I suppose in the end we all know the guy can drive and will win races this year but still for it to happen at his home gp just gutted
I suppose in the end we all know the guy can drive and will win races this year but still for it to happen at his home gp just gutted
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The polar opposite of trippin' balls?This sucks arse.
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Seb's vent on team radio to his engineers when his car failed:
"Do something!"
"That's ridiculous guys!"
And some on here still want to defend him.
It's no wonder he gets booed.
"Do something!"
"That's ridiculous guys!"
And some on here still want to defend him.
It's no wonder he gets booed.
So as I read that, the officials recognised there were issues with the sensor but thought near enough was good enough with the readings the sensor was showing. Because they chose to go down the suck it up path rather than acknowledge the issue and allow the alternate method, Red Bull find themselves in this position.
In the end, yeah ******* stupid by Red Bull to challenge officialdom but one person saying hey there's an issue with the sensor use the alternate method is the difference between second spot and a DQ.
Again, what confuses me is, i thought the tanks could only be filled to pretty much last the duration of the race plus an in lap, out lap and formation lap. If he was using too much fuel, wouldn't he just run out of fuel?
In the end, yeah ******* stupid by Red Bull to challenge officialdom but one person saying hey there's an issue with the sensor use the alternate method is the difference between second spot and a DQ.
Again, what confuses me is, i thought the tanks could only be filled to pretty much last the duration of the race plus an in lap, out lap and formation lap. If he was using too much fuel, wouldn't he just run out of fuel?
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They had an extra warm up lap plus a safety car period, they both save fuel for later use.
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ManWithNoName
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Horner seems confident about the appeal but I can't see it working out. As one journo tweeted, it's like using the kitchen scales when the FIA's weigh bridge is what matters.
I don't understand why flow rate matters so much
Just say this is the size fuel tank you can have. If you aren't economical enough to finish the race, tough t***ies
Just say this is the size fuel tank you can have. If you aren't economical enough to finish the race, tough t***ies
Pretty easy to prove which set of sensors are correct - they know the fuel that went in at the start, they know how much they finished with - find the data, do the math, easy.
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When this season and his dominance unravels its going to get very ugly.And some on here still want to defend him.
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I love teds question to him before the race asking does he feel he's matured yet
A higher rate, means Dan could benefit from extra power. That power could've helped him hold off Magnussen, for instance.
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Hahahaha some people here are actually children. Oh that's bad. I feel bad for arguing so strongly with children now. My bad.
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Seb's vent on team radio to his engineers when his car failed:
"Do something!"
"That's ridiculous guys!"
And some on here still want to defend him.
It's no wonder he gets booed.
However, Mark Webber often said the same things to his team, but it was okay when he did it.
You wouldn't have a problem with Vettel if he were Australian.
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EXCLUSIVE transcript of Lewis' radio yesterday
"Hello there chaps. Yes Lewis here. I say the engine does seem to be a trifle off if I do say so....no no bother, I guess I'll just push on shall I? It does seem to be lacking power entirely but no bother, it's just fortunate we're not in some kind of MOTOR race what what! Haha...oh come again? Oh well doesn't that just take the biscuit. We ARE in some kind of motor race? In fact, we are in an exact motor race? Well I guess I'll just shove on and keep going with this engine then shall I? Jolly good. Tally ho!"
"Hello there chaps. Yes Lewis here. I say the engine does seem to be a trifle off if I do say so....no no bother, I guess I'll just push on shall I? It does seem to be lacking power entirely but no bother, it's just fortunate we're not in some kind of MOTOR race what what! Haha...oh come again? Oh well doesn't that just take the biscuit. We ARE in some kind of motor race? In fact, we are in an exact motor race? Well I guess I'll just shove on and keep going with this engine then shall I? Jolly good. Tally ho!"
I'm not totally across the minutia of this, but I would have thought that since the cars are not refuelled during the race, it shouldn't matter what the fuel rate is if they all have the same amount of fuel to get them to the end.
Notwithstanding the fact that rules are rules.
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I imagine that normally it wouldn't, but with an extra formation lap and safety car periods, they would've had more fuel to play with than they would've thought. And if Dan was able to use a higher fuel flow rate than the others, that would obviously mean more power with that extra fuel.
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Do agree though that it would be best if they just said "you get 100kg and no more" and then it was up to the team to manage efficiency to get it to the end while still having enough power to be competitive
In regards to yesterday, absolutely.
At the end of the day everybody has to be on a level playing field.
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I think RBR screwed up and accidentally put Dan in Seb's car, it explains everything, the qualifying, the race, the other car not finishing the race, the cheating.
One question is, surely the stewards would have noticed this issue in qualifying. Conspiracy theory tells me though that they did, but let it be as they wanted the publicity of the local lad on the front row of the grid.
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Well the sensor was changed on Saturday night.
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Whilst rules are rules I dont see how it matters. It SHOULD be fill the car up to the 100kgs and use it as you wish. However those are not the rules and I cant see how they can win the arguement.
Shame for Dan as he drove superbly all weekend in an inferior car, or at very least a severely hampered one. Did not make an error and did the country proud, might get a win or 2 later this year.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/motors...ys-paul-stoddart/story-fnec578q-1226856108983
Maybe I'm not as stupid as I thought. Paul Stoddart seems to think if the fuel rate was excessive, Dan would have run out of fuel.
Maybe I'm not as stupid as I thought. Paul Stoddart seems to think if the fuel rate was excessive, Dan would have run out of fuel.
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Well that's it isnt it, you have the same amount of fuel but one uses it at a higher rate than the other, that one runs out. Simplistic perhaps, but to me it makes sense.
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If he'd driven the whole race with that fuel flow, yes. I'm assuming that high fuel flow was just at times, like when he got told to turn the engine up.
