List Mgmt. 2014 List Management thread - 10 changes to the senior list.

[RandB]

Welcome to the 2014 List Management thread

This thread is about general list management discussion. A bit of a catch-all if you like.

Who you think we should turf, who we need to get, which rookies get promoted, list analysis, player type/ages etc. There's a fair bit of leeway here if you want to incorporate any trade/draft/free agency stuff into your posts.

If you wish to engage in specific Trade/FA discussion or Draft discussion there are also dedicated Mega threads:

2014 Free Agency & Trade discussion

2014 Draft discussion

Player Contracts thread

We'll also keep the list status updated here as changes are made official and add any other useful information as we go.
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Senior List Changes

IN (10): Brayshaw (ND3), Frost (Trade IN), Garlett (Trade IN), Jetta (Rookie Upgrade), Lumumba (Trade IN), McDonald (ND53), Neal-Bullen (ND40), Newton (DFA), Petracca (ND2), Stretch (F/S - ND42)

OUT (10): Barry (retired), Blease (delisted), Byrnes (retired), Clark (Trade OUT), Clisby (delisted), Evans (delisted), Frawley (UFA), Nicholson (delisted), Strauss (delisted), Tapscott (delisted)

Current 2015 senior spots vacant: 0/40
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Rookie List Changes

IN (2): Vandenberg (RD2), White (RD20)

OUT (2): Georgiou (delisted), Jetta (Upgraded)

Current 2015 rookie spots vacant: 0/4
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(Maia Westrupp also released as an international rookie).
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List lodgement dates for 2014 (in bold)

Friday August 1, by 2pm - Draft-eligible Academy player nominations lodged

Friday October 3 - NAB AFL restricted free agency offer and unrestricted free agency period begins

Friday October 3, by 2pm - NAB AFL father/son bidding nominations; Academy bidding nominations lodged with AFL

Monday October 6, 10am - Father/son and Academy players bidding meeting; NAB AFL Trade Period begins

Monday October 13, at 5pm - Close of NAB AFL restricted free Agency offer and unrestricted free agency period

Thursday October 16 - NAB AFL restricted free agency matching offer three-day period ends

Friday October 17, at 2pm - NAB AFL Trade Period closes

Friday October 31, by 2pm - List lodgement (1); Rookie promotion to primary list; Retained second and third-year rookies; Scholarship players; Alternate talent player nominations, Total player payment (TPP) estimates.

Saturday November 1 - NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (1) begins

Wednesday November 12 - NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (1) closes; Out of contract listed AFL primary list players draft nomination form and player request for removal from list form Lodged with AFL; New or expired (after three years) draft nomination form lodgement.

Thursday November 13, by 2pm - List lodgement (2).

Friday November 14 - AFL delisted player free agency period (2) begins

Wednesday November 19 - Delisted primary list draft nomination form lodgement; Non–retained rookie players draft nomination form lodgement; Players not registered or played for three years rookie nomination. NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (2) closes

Thursday November 27 - NAB AFL Draft selection meeting (Gold Coast Convention Centre).

Friday November 28 - NAB AFL delisted free agency Period (3) begins

Monday December 1 - AFL delisted player free agency period (3) ends. AFL club list lodgement (3) and TPP estimates. International players inclusion on rookie list form; Scholarship players rookie list form lodged; Father/son and Academy pre-selected rookie nominations.

Wednesday December 3 - NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft selection meeting (11am); Notification of pre-selected rookies nominated on Monday November 25 if not selected in the pre-season draft (11.05am); NAB AFL Rookie Draft selection meeting (11.10am)

Monday December 5 – Final club list lodgement

Friday December 12, by 2pm - International players inclusion on rookie list

 

[Cannon82]

We have 40 senior spots? I thought a list was 38.

Assuming no miracles, Clark (retired), Frawley (FA), Strauss, Blease, McKenzie, Evans are potential outs. Jetta comes in.
Jetta off the rookie, potentially Georgiou as well (promoted or delisted).

 

[RandB]

We have 40 senior spots? I thought a list was 38.

Assuming no miracles, Clark (retired), Frawley (FA), Strauss, Blease, McKenzie, Evans are potential outs. Jetta comes in.
Jetta off the rookie, potentially Georgiou as well (promoted or delisted).

Is 40, they changed it. Makes sense as I did a copy 'n paste from last year.

Senior List

I agree with your summary there but will update once official. Jetta has been re-signed but list upgrade yet to be announced although safe to assume.

 

[dee_mac]

potentially Georgiou as well (promoted or delisted).

The old "get behind him full time or not at all" approach

 

[Cannon82]

The old "get behind him full time or not at all" approach

Eh, depends where he sits. You'd think Roos has seen enough of him to know whether he's worth keeping or not. Can't see the point of giving him another year on the rookie list. His fate might be tied in with Frawley's, so he's probably a fair chance to get put on the senior list.

 

[LeverPuller]

I think its 38 to 40 with rookie numbers decided based on your list size

 

[RandB]

I think its 38 to 40 with rookie numbers decided based on your list size

Max rookies was reduced from 6 to 4 for non-concession clubs. I think that change was made in tandem with the changes to the Veterans rule.

In any case I'll leave it as 40 as we had 40 seniors in 2014 and will probably have that many in 2015.

 

[LeverPuller]

Really minimum list size should be increased to 44 IMO. Anyway, that's another argument...

Key Defenders
Garland
McDonald
Dunn
Georgiou (R)

Small Defenders
Jetta (R)

Rebounding Defenders
Grimes
Terlich

Half Back/mids
(none)

Inside midfielders
N. Jones
Cross
Viney
M. Jones
McKenzie
Riley

Outside midfielders
Toumpas

Inside/Out midfielders
Vince
Tyson
Michie
Trengove
Harmes (R)

Half Forward/Mids
Kent
Salem
Bail

Key Forwards
Hogan
Dawes
Fitzpatrick

Small Forwards
JKH

Rucks
Jamar
Gawn
Spencil
King (R)

Utilities
Watts
Howe
Pedersen

Project players
Barry
Hunt

FA/who knows
Frawley
Clark

Goneski
Nicholson
Clisby
Byrnes

Chopping block
Evans
Blease
Tapscott
Strauss

So 3 list spots are open. I'm going to leave it as three simply to allocate one to the Mitch Clark rumour file.

Right now, our allocation of picks:

First rounder (#2OVR)
Second rounder (#21OVR)
Third rounder (#38OVR) (Expected to be Billy Stretch under F/S)
Fourth rounder (#56OVR)
Fifth rounder (#74OVR)
Sixth rounder (#92OVR)
Seventh rounder (#110OVR)

If Frawley leaves, add a pick and a list slot. So four slots to fill with eight picks. I'm expecting that to increase.

For mine, one pick will go on Nev. Latest possible.

I suspect a pick will go on Petracca. A pick will go on Stretch.

What we desperately need (just in case you haven't realised) is a player who can dispose well off half-back. Petracca is that deadly kind of cherry-on-top mid/forward that Colin Sylvia loved to be against Richmond - but if we can get that more regularly they're just so good to watch.

I wouldn't be surprised if Roos tries to turn Toump into that clean possession off half-back. That or Watts, because he's still one of the best kicks in the comp. Our back six apart from the clean touch is actually nice and settled again.

B: Garland Dunn Jetta
HB: ??? TMac ???

Our forward line is also a bit of an open question. Mostly because good luck getting them on the park. Fitz continues to surprise. He can do some dumb s**t, but he can play. Good depth.

HF: ??? Dawes ???
F: JKH Hogan Gawn

Really though, it's about the mids. If we can find enough talent, we can do a Sydney-style rotate everyone through both ends of the park. Malceski, McGlynn, Parker, Jack etc etc. That's why Petracca's so appealing - chuck him on a half-forward flank and rotate him through the middle.

 

[Cannon82]

Is Matt Jones not an outside mid? I know he can't kick, but doesn't that just make him a bad outside mid?

 

[LeverPuller]

Is Matt Jones not an outside mid? I know he can't kick, but doesn't that just make him a bad outside mid?

He's a bit of a hard one to categorise. I find his best work is done inside but he's probably an inside/out with his playstyle. To be honest, I don't know how long he'll be around anyway.

 

[Tulip]

He's a bit of a hard one to categorise. I find his best work is done inside but he's probably an inside/out with his playstyle. To be honest, I don't know how long he'll be around anyway.

2016.

 

[LeverPuller]

2016.

I forgot about that...

 

[Topkent]

Matt jones was inside last year but I reckon he has been playing outside this year

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I'm looking forward to him playing outside the club.

 

[Topkent]

Imagine what it would be like to have only 1 whipping boy at the club

It's too hard to keep track of who we are ragging on

 

[Dory_77]

Imagine what it would be like to have only 1 whipping boy at the club

It's too hard to keep track of who we are ragging on

Here they are, all in one place! http://www.melbournefc.com.au/the-team/players/senior

 

[KnaveyBlue]

What happened to Clisby? He looked like a great find last year.

 

[Topkent]

What happened to Clisby? He looked like a great find last year.

Nothing special, average player

Already have enough of those on the list

 

[MUYB]

What happened to Clisby? He looked like a great find last year.

Got highlighted in the umpiring video for attempting to play on from a kick in without kicking it to himself and then rushing it back over the line. Hard to come back from.

 

[Vdubs]

Has Sam Blease been delisted?

 

[PerfectFooty]

Has Sam Blease been delisted?

MFC and blease have decided it's best that he be traded. So he's being traded. has not been delisted

 

[Baudolino]

Are you guys waiting until the trade period finishes to decide on further cuts to your list, or is Paul Roos taking a more conservative approach to delistings than external observers expected? I was sure there was going to be a mass clear-out at Melbourne over the off season, but so far the only departures have been Clisby, Nicholson and Byrnes.

 

[Dory_77]

Are you guys waiting until the trade period finishes to decide on further cuts to your list, or is Paul Roos taking a more conservative approach to delistings than external observers expected? I was sure there was going to be a mass clear-out at Melbourne over the off season, but so far the only departures have been Clisby, Nicholson and Byrnes.

I'd say Roos would be trying to trade off guys like Blease and Tappscott if possible rather than just cut them, even if they're just the steak knives in another deal.

 

[Blackas87]

Are you guys waiting until the trade period finishes to decide on further cuts to your list, or is Paul Roos taking a more conservative approach to delistings than external observers expected? I was sure there was going to be a mass clear-out at Melbourne over the off season, but so far the only departures have been Clisby, Nicholson and Byrnes.

There's no point mass clearing the list until you know who your'e bring in, if get rid of half the list then can't find talent to bring in then we are in no better position.

 

[Baudolino]

I'd say Roos would be trying to trade off guys like Blease and Tappscott if possible rather than just cut them, even if they're just the steak knives in another deal.

Absolutely, and I get why Melbourne are reticent to delist players who could potentially have value at the trade table (Blease, Tapscott, etc), but when it comes to the likes of Strauss, Evans, McKenzie, Bail or Terlich, I see no incentive to wait, since I don't think anyone would be willing to part with even a late pick for one of those guys.