3rd man up in a ruck contest

[Blended]

This is a bit of a query. With the AFL recently bringing in the 1m gap rule in ruck contests which requires umpires to identify 2 ruckmen, why are they consistently paying freekicks for blocking a 3rd man up? Surely you should be able to block the run of the 3rd person coming into the ruck contest..

 

[McCrann]

Agree. That free kick to Jordan Lewis was a joke. A third man up has no rights to protect in a Ruck contest???

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You're welcome to compete with the third man up, however if you impede him with no eyes for the ball then you'll be pinged, just as you would someone who has decide not to go third up.


Pretty simple, really.

 

[Blended]

I'm even more confused. Chaplin had eyes for the ball that contest and it was still paid... Its a joke that it is paid a free kick!

 

[blue harvest]

I'm even more confused. Chaplin had eyes for the ball that contest and it was still paid... Its a joke that it is paid a free kick!

Wayne Campbell (umpiring director) was just on C7 and agreed, he said Shaun Ryan made a mistake on that one.

 

[Goldfish]

Wayne Campbell (umpiring director) was just on C7 and agreed, he said Shaun Ryan made a mistake on that one.

Looked to me like the umpire thought (wrongly) that Nic was the nominated ruckman trying to get to the contest... Was an error but don't actually think it related to whole 'third man up' issue currently being discussed.

 

[Blended]

Paid it again. Still have no idea why...

 

[Lester Burnham]

This is a bit of a query. With the AFL recently bringing in the 1m gap rule in ruck contests which requires umpires to identify 2 ruckmen, why are they consistently paying freekicks for blocking a 3rd man up? Surely you should be able to block the run of the 3rd person coming into the ruck contest..

Geelong got pinged for this tonight. What rule is being broken?

 

[TW Sherrin]

3rd or ,4th man up is a blight on the game. Needs to banned. The port vpies game was a disgrace.

 

[Brian Schmutt]

My ex-wife, when we were still together, often asked me to take care of the third man up. I guess old habits die hard

 

[xxxWillxxx]

3rd or ,4th man up is a blight on the game. Needs to banned. The port vpies game was a disgrace.

Agreed.

 

[dread and might]

3rd or ,4th man up is a blight on the game. Needs to banned. The port vpies game was a disgrace.

Absolutely agree. It's horrendous. The two ruckmen nominate,if they both miss the ball , nobody else should be allowed to touch it until the ball hits the ground.IMO.

 

[yebiga]

Why wouldn't you just simplify this?
The game is crying for clarity in a bunch of Areas
Those officiating the game should hang their heads in shame

 

[masai]

The 2 ruckman should have priority, they are not to be impeded.

All other players attempting to contest the bounce down ( roving or 3rd man up ), may be bumped or shepherded. If you don't have eyes towards the ball when you shepherd, you may be in trouble.

 

[1990crow]

Maybe it would be easier to just not allow the third man up.. two ruckman.

 

[Harry Yorkie]

Maybe it would be easier to just not allow the third man up.. two ruckman.

Won't happen. Third man up helps clear congestion. AFL won't change anything that leads to more congestion.

 

[Bicco]

Does anybody know the rule that Sandilands is breaking when he has free kicks paid against him for blocking or sheparding in centre bounces? He's not sheparding a 'third man' and ruck men come together all the time in ruck contests. Is there a rule about crossing the centreline, similar to a foot fault on tennis?

 

[Agent93]

Does anybody know the rule that Sandilands is breaking when he has free kicks paid against him for blocking or sheparding in centre bounces? He's not sheparding a 'third man' and ruck men come together all the time in ruck contests. Is there a rule about crossing the centreline, similar to a foot fault on tennis?

NFI, in theory should be in section 15.4.5 of the laws but I can't find it anywhere. The umpires are calling it to stop ruckmen impeding the opposition ruck from contesting the ball. Initially pioneered by Mark Jamar where he would jump, push or move into the opposition ruck and then contest the ball after successfully blocking the player.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

The two main problems with the current implementation of blocking, is that the ball isn't always up straight, and around the ground, the main ruck' only job is to stop his opponent reaching the ball

You cannot cross the (imaginary or centre-bounce) centre-line, AND interfere with the opponent's run at the ball. However, the current interpretations mean that if the ball goes on an angle and drops behind you, you also cannot stand your ground and block your opponent, which I think is wrong.

Similarly, around the ground, you can grapple and hold your opponent down, so long as the ball falls "on top" of you. Then, whilst you are holding your opponent down, your team-mate goes third-man up to clear.

The issues isn't the third man up - it's the non-payment of holding/grappling frees in the contest. I don't want basketball tip-off's either, but the ruck should be a battle of body strength and positioning, not just grabbing an arm or fistful of jumper and wrestling.

Like 99% of problems in the game - just penalise EVERY infringement.

 

[Bicco]

NFI, in theory should be in section 15.4.5 of the laws but I can't find it anywhere. The umpires are calling it to stop ruckmen impeding the opposition ruck from contesting the ball. Initially pioneered by Mark Jamar where he would jump, push or move into the opposition ruck and then contest the ball after successfully blocking the player.

I can't claim to watching a lot of footy, but Sandilands is the only ruck I've seen penalised like this at a centre bounce and it's happened a few times recently. One of your rucks got a free for this on the weekend.
The jumping was started by Poly Farmer? Hailed as a ruck revolution.