6 Reasons why not to drink pasteurised milk.

[mcuzzy]

Looks like the extremists from both sides have come out to get at eachother's throats, most seem to be acting like twats which isn't surprising.

Pasteurised milk is ******* shite, but if a bottle of fresh milk says 'do not consume' then maybe don't drink it?

I know people who drank fresh milk often when they were kids, none of them had health issues. I drank fresh milk when I was 5 or 6, best glass of milk I ever had, every glass of milk afterwards was like a heroine addict chasing that feeling they had when they peaked.

I don't drink milk at all now, can't say it's a decision I regret.

Can't say I agree with those who aren't having their kids vaccinated, but to be honest I don't know enough about it to make a solid statement in order to back what I would say.

 

[peppy la pew]

I know people who drank fresh milk often when they were kids, none of them had health issues. I drank fresh milk when I was 5 or 6, best glass of milk I ever had, every glass of milk afterwards was like a heroine addict chasing that feeling they had when they peaked.

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Words simply fail me, on the gear at 6 yrs old,

Or were you chasing the girl

 

[mcuzzy]

Words simply fail me, on the gear at 6 yrs old,

Or were you chasing the girl

#yolo

 

[Starburns_]

Well it would as i have never seen you in the nutrition side of this board before except for following your mod mates after your conversations about it on the mod board. Anything else you would like to contribute?

I would guess the last time this board rated a mention on the mods board was when Mofra got upgraded. You will find there are over half a dozen mods from here that post actively on TLC.

Can't say I agree with those who aren't having their kids vaccinated, but to be honest I don't know enough about it to make a solid statement in order to back what I would say.

They believe that it causes autism (amongst other ridiculous things), it's an incredibly dangerous and reprehensible stance without a shred of evidence supporting it.

 

[Kram]

He is a conspiracy theory nut. Thinks Martin Bryant was 'framed' ffs.

 

[Starburns_]

He is a conspiracy theory nut. Thinks Martin Bryant was 'framed' ffs.

Teffy is posting in this thread now?

 

[Kram]

Teffy is posting in this thread now?

Our prisons have the internet now?

 

[Lach72]

There hasn't been Listeria or Ecoli related death from raw milk in America since 1980, more chance of winning Tattlotto than dying from quality raw milk.

Completely safe
Less being produced, less being consumed, more outbreaks, symptoms more severe requiring more frequent hospitalisation, more deaths.

Completely and utterly safe...cos you know...straight from the cow...

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/3/pdfs/11-1370.pdf
Results
During 1993–2006, a total of 30 states reported 122
foodborne disease outbreaks caused by contaminated dairy
products. Dairy-associated outbreaks occurred in all years
except 1996, and outbreaks involving nonpasteurized dairy
products occurred in all years except 1994 and 1996. The
number of reported dairy-associated outbreaks increased
in 1998 after surveillance for foodborne disease outbreaks
was enhanced (Figure 1).
Whether the product was pasteurized or nonpasteurized
was known for 121 of the 122 outbreaks, and most outbreaks
(73 [60%]) involved nonpasteurized dairy products. Of the
121 outbreaks for which product pasteurization status was
known, 65 (54%) involved cheese and 56 (46%) involved
fluid milk. Of the 65 outbreaks involving cheese, 27 (42%)
involved cheese made from nonpasteurized milk. Of the 56
outbreaks involving
fluid milk, an even higher percentage
(82%) involved nonpasteurized milk.
The 121 outbreaks involving dairy products for
which pasteurization status was known resulted in 4,413
reported illnesses. Among these illnesses, 1,571 (36%)
resulted from nonpasteurized dairy products. The median
number of persons reported ill during outbreaks involving
nonpasteurized dairy products was 11 (range 2–202).
Outbreaks involving nonpasteurized dairy products
resulted in 202 hospitalizations (hospitalization rate 13%).
In contrast, outbreaks involving pasteurized dairy products
resulted in 37 hospitalizations (hospitalization rate 1%).
Two deaths were associated with an outbreak caused by
consuming nonpasteurized dairy products, and 1 death
was associated with an outbreak caused by a pasteurized
product (Table).

 

[Lach72]

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2014/...lea-dont-feed-children-raw-milk/#.VI6QpXsvxqA

Hey, it's alright...she's still breathing.

Just as well Ablett knows his farmer:

As for those who think that “knowing your farmer” is safeguard enough, even raw-milk dairies with high sanitation standards and licensed and inspected by states that allow raw milk sales – California and Washington state are two of these – have been subject to recalls due to the presence of pathogens such as E. coli and Campylobacter in their milk. Those recalls are typically triggered by foodborne-illness outbreaks that have sickened people.

As for those who think that “knowing your farmer” is safeguard enough, even raw-milk dairies with high sanitation standards and licensed and inspected by states that allow raw milk sales – California and Washington state are two of these – have been subject to recalls due to the presence of pathogens such as E. coli and Campylobacter in their milk. Those recalls are typically triggered by foodborne-illness outbreaks that have sickened people.

According to CDC, while adherence to good hygienic practices during milking can reduce contamination, it cannot eliminate it.

“The dairy farm environment is a reservoir for illness-causing germs,” CDC says. “No matter what precautions farmers take, and even if their raw milk tests come back negative, they cannot guarantee that their milk, or the products made from their milk, are free of harmful germs.”

 

[Mofra]

Explainer:
http://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-raw-milk-and-why-is-it-harmful-35428

Milk is a highly nutritious food, and an important source of amino acids and minerals such as phosphorus and calcium, which contributes to bone health.
Historically, milk was prone to contamination by bacteria from cows that could cause severe illness in humans. This remains the case with raw (unpasteurised) milk. The tragic death of a Victorian toddler this week is a stark reminder of these risks.
Pasteurisation involves heating the product to 72°C for 15 seconds. The method was originally employed to destroy bacteria in wine and beer that caused these products to spoil. It was quickly realised that this process could also be applied to milk to destroy harmful bacteria, and make milk safer for human consumption.
Pasteurisation was first introduced in Australia in the late 1950s and remains a legal requirement for milk produced for human consumption in Australia.
Nowadays, some of the important bacteria that pasteurisation targeted, such as those that cause tuberculosis, are no longer as problematic. So why do we continue to pasteurise milk?
The animals we use for milking can sometimes carry other pathogenic organisms that are capable of causing disease in humans. They can be found on hides or shed in the faeces.
Even healthy animals may be a source of organisms that are harmful to people. Such pathogens may be present in the farm environment, including soil, water, on pasture and in animal feeds. These pathogens can enter the milk during milking and if such milk is consumed, it can cause disease.
The most common pathogens found in association with dairy farms and milking animals include bacteria such as Escherichia coli (E. coli), Campylobacter and Salmonella, but other pathogens such as parasites like Cryptosporidium, a type of gastro, may also be present.

Campylobacter and Salmonella can cause severe diarrhoea and certain types of E. coli, particularly those known as Shiga toxin-producing E. coli (STEC), can cause very severe disease which impairs kidney function and may result in death.
Milk is highly nutritious to bacteria. Bacteria can quickly proliferate if their growth is not inhibited. Stopping the growth of bacteria in milk requires either heating to kill the bacteria, or chilling, which will not kill the bacteria but will slow down their growth.
E. coli, for instance, can go from ten cells to 100 million cells in just over six hours at 30°C. Only ten cells may be required to make someone ill. If such an organism is likely to be present, it’s important that any potential growth is stopped.
These harmful bacteria have caused outbreaks and disease associated with the consumption of raw milk in many countries. Data from the United States indicates that over a 13 year period to 2011, there were 2,384 illnesses, 284 hospitalisations and two deaths associated with the consumption of raw milk.
In Australia, raw milk contaminated by bacteria such as Campylobacter and Salmonella caused at least nine outbreaks of disease between 1997 and 2008, leading to 117 cases of illness.
So why do people choose to drink raw milk?
Advocates of raw milk often claim improved health benefit and nutritional value, or desiring a product which has not undergone further processing, retaining bacteria naturally present in milk.
But there is no evidence that the health benefits of milk are compromised by pasteurisation.
The defining difference between pasteurised and raw milk is the bacteria that are present. As soon as milk is secreted from the udder, it is at risk of contamination by many different bacteria as it makes its journey to our table. This includes harmful bacteria. These bacteria can lead to severe illness in humans, particularly children and the elderly.
For these reasons, raw milk continues to have a far higher risk of causing illness. Pasteurisation remains an important step in ensuring we can continue to enjoy safer, nutritious milk.
Further reading: Bath milk crisis must prompt better cosmetic safety regulation

 

[Bazzar]

Explainer:
http://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-raw-milk-and-why-is-it-harmful-35428

Milk is a highly nutritious food, and an important source of amino acids and minerals such as phosphorus and calcium, which contributes to bone health.

I gave up there.

It should have read - Milk is an enjoyable drink for some, and an a source (although not an essential or important one) of amino acids and minerals such as phosphorus and calcium, which if following a healthy animal and plant based diet contributes little to bone health.

 

[peppy la pew]

I gave up there.

It should have read - Milk is an enjoyable drink for some, and an a source (although not an essential or important one) of amino acids and minerals such as phosphorus and calcium, which if following a healthy animal and plant based diet contributes little to bone health.

You disagree that calcium is important in a childs growth

 

[Bazzar]

You disagree that calcium is important in a childs growth

No, but their are other ways of getting calcium. And if its so important why didn't mother nature keep children on the breast for their formative growing years? Oh that's right, because we give them the milk of another animal instead.

 

[peppy la pew]

No, but their are other ways of getting calcium. And if its so important why didn't mother nature keep children on the breast for their formative growing years? Oh that's right, because we give them the milk of another animal instead.

Because there isn't enough Tit milk to service 3 kids at breakfast time have weetbix

Or the cheese sarnies at lunch followed by berry yoghurt

 

[mcuzzy]

I get my calcium from greens and almonds, it's probably not enough but I'm sure i'll live.

 

[Big Cox 88]

Your body is unable to absorb the calcium in milk. You are just drinking sweetened water with a few aminos in it

 

[peppy la pew]

Your body is unable to absorb the calcium in milk. You are just drinking sweetened water with a few aminos in it

Milk is a good source of phosphorus and magnesium, which help the body absorb and use calcium

 

[Kram]

These things are all you need!

 

[Bazzar]

Because there isn't enough Tit milk to service 3 kids at breakfast time have weetbix

Or the cheese sarnies at lunch followed by berry yoghurt

Plus the reason infants need breast milk is for fat and brain developement (as they are born keto) and cholesterol as they are incapable of producing it. Calcium is just a little bonus.

Also check out new research on excessive calcium and CVD.

 

[mcuzzy]

'Milk is for babies, when you grow up you have to drink beer' - Arhnuld

 

[FavoriteSun]

'Milk is for babies, when you grow up you have to drink beer' - Arhnuld

Don't forget your steroids!

 

[Bazzar]

Raw, pasturised, homoised, sodomised, whats the big M deal. After 18 months of age milk is NOT needed apart from a dash in your Kahlua n ice.

 

[Mofra]

I gave up there.

It should have read - Milk is an enjoyable drink for some, and an a source (although not an essential or important one) of amino acids and minerals such as phosphorus and calcium, which if following a healthy animal and plant based diet contributes little to bone health.

So you refused to read the rest over semantics?

Fair enough.

Raw, pasturised, homoised, sodomised, whats the big M deal. After 18 months of age milk is NOT needed apart from a dash in your Kahlua n ice.

Many things in diets are "not needed" but can form part of a healthy diet.
I'd certainly rather my kids consume milk than cordial/soft drinks, or avoid vaccinations as an extreme example.

 

[Chief]

Yeah but it is nice to drink. I down a litre or more a day, specially when hungover

 

[Chief]

And plus, instead of a flu shot I inject milk.