A new party: What key policies (if any) would win you over?

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Definitely need education changes. Kids shouldn't be forced to attend school if they have no interest in it. Allow them to go to trade schools like some have suggested. Currently there is VCAL but that doesn't come close to tech school, and TAFE is generally in your own time.

Any TAFE or technical school or whathaveyou that acts as a dumping ground for kids 'not interested' in school would be a waste of time and money.

Also, there are lot more kids out there 'not interested in school' than there are actively seeking a trade qualification - IMO. What percentage of kids are 'interested' in learning algebra, or spelling and grammar, or that the capital city of Turkey is Ankara, not Istanbul?

If you want to go and become a plumber or an electrician or a cabinet maker or whatever at 16 you are free to do so. To the best of my knowledge there is no law forcing every kid in Australia to finish year 12.

The reality is a good portion of teenagers (which is what high school kids are) don't have a clue what they want to do with their lives. IMO you're better off sticking with school unless you have a clear pathway leading somewhere.
 

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Any party who has supporters who aren't historically stupid.

For example.

Left wing idiots wearing masks of Guy Fawkes, a Catholic Conservative Radical.

Liberal voters who oppose all immigration when it was the Liberals who disbanded the White Australia policy.

You know historically stupid people.
 
Any of these policies on their own would do it:

Introduction of wealth tax in place of income tax (net taxes remain the same)

Removal of negative gearing on housing

Removal of superannuation tax rorts for high income earners.

100% increase in education spending to be paid for by a halving of defence spending and an increase in the GST

Removal of all subsidies to established private industries (manufacturing, mining and anyone else)

There are probably many more as well
Terrible idea. Taxing people who save and invest is one of the worst ways to build wealth across the country. It would do the exact opposite of what we want and would end up with a even more investment from overseas being required.
 
Terrible idea. Taxing people who save and invest is one of the worst ways to build wealth across the country. It would do the exact opposite of what we want and would end up with a even more investment from overseas being required.
thats not what a wealth tax, as compared to a income tax does. it actually encourages more and better investment and saving by giving more income to hard workers and people with ideas, as compared to re-distributing income based on heriditary lines.
 
thats not what a wealth tax, as compared to a income tax does. it actually encourages more and better investment and saving by giving more income to hard workers and people with ideas, as compared to re-distributing income based on heriditary lines.

So a family business built up over a long time of hard work and risks gets hammered because you see it as "heriditary lines".
 
Or so they'd have you think, Howard's was the highest taxing government in history.
IIRC, that is only because company profits were so high. If you look at the introduction they did of family tax benefits and the series of tax cuts, individual taxpayers were a lot better off than the decade prior.
 
thats not what a wealth tax, as compared to a income tax does. it actually encourages more and better investment and saving by giving more income to hard workers and people with ideas, as compared to re-distributing income based on heriditary lines.
No it doesn't, it encourages people to work for someone else and take a salary, instead of saving, investing and building up their own business. Why take a risk when the government will just tax any wealth you build up?

And what is wrong with people inheriting assets built up from the good decisions and investments of their parents?? This isn't communist Russia.

I agree there should be some taxes on certain components of wealth, namely property tax instead of stamp duty, however to tax all wealth unilaterally is just asinine.
 
And how's that worked out?
What do you mean? It turned out fine, the budget was always in surplus and people had a good standard of living.

The Labor government then ****ed it up increasing spending but not having appropriate matching revenues. Now, to "fix" this Abbott has gone on a rampage and missed the mark with what needed cutting IMO.
 
On the topic of the thread, here are some policies I like:
- Mining tax coming in at 2025 over a 20 year period to 2045 (2% per year - total 40% of profits when fully in place). Revenues to be shared 50% between the state the resources are in and the federal government. Fed revenue to all go into the Future Fund.
- Increase exploration incentives to balance the mining tax.
- Negative gearing to be abolished. All losses incurred on a property are carried forward and offset against the value of the property on sale.
- Remove 15% tax on super and replace it with a tax at 50% of your marginal rate. This will encourage more saving by those on lower incomes and limit the benefit to those on higher incomes, while still providing an incentive to save. Cap contributions at 50kpa.

I have more, but need to run to a meeting.
 

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to be fair no government on the planet was increasing revenues during the GFC.
GFC ended about 5 years ago for us. Since then, tens of billions in new commitments were made, unrelated to the GFC (higher health funding, Gonski, NDIS, etc). However nothing was done on the revenue side of the equation and no compensating cutbacks were made to match these higher commitments.

It is like when Swanny whinged about how revenues were less than expected, so his surplus evaporated. We actually ended up with an 8% increase in revenues, but they needed somewhere around 12% to make up for the massive increases in expenditure.
 
GFC ended about 5 years ago for us. Since then, tens of billions in new commitments were made, unrelated to the GFC (higher health funding, Gonski, NDIS, etc). However nothing was done on the revenue side of the equation and no compensating cutbacks were made to match these higher commitments.

this is true, but the lion's share of debt was accrued in the midst of and after, the GFC. i disagree with the "5 years ago" assertion, given that following the GFC we had the euro crisis etc. lots of panic around the world and obviously this impacted AU:

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It is like when Swanny whinged about how revenues were less than expected, so his surplus evaporated. We actually ended up with an 8% increase in revenues, but they needed somewhere around 12% to make up for the massive increases in expenditure.

i agree that the ALP need to take responsibility for the spending versus revenue "problem", but an 8% increase isn't necessarily the greatest thing ever, given the lows it may have come from.
 
I'm not promoting a pure technocracy. But getting experts in for reviews would be a start. Then not just immediately ditching 95% of the recommendations in the too hard basket would be nice too. Of course politically this might be fraught but they'd win me over.
I actually like the idea of a technocracy. Not sure in what capacity, but think of it this way. You have the best people in each field running a portfolio with all groups liaising with each other. The idea is that you have professionals making the right or best decisions NOT based on vote getting. This is one of the major problems with our political system in that they pretty much splash out in vote getting exercises. Quite often the 'right' and tough decisions aren't made because of public opinion. Quite often politicians ignore good advice anyway.

These groups could have targets to meet to satisfy reemployment after a given term. fail you're out! I guess I like the idea of having the best decisions made for the country based on actual research and knowledge as opposed to the bullshit we face at the moment.
 
I don't think you're getting it.

Two generations ago people left school before 16 (after 10 years of schooling) and were able to find gainful employment that allowed them to live reasonably comfortable lives in a modern society.

It's increasingly becoming the case that if you don't devote up to 16-17 years to schooling you won't find gainful employment. At a significant cost to both the individual and taxpayer.

And the major reason for that is taxpayer-funded university degrees.
 
But anyway to answer the OP, it would be pretty hard for any new party to be better than the Liberal Democratic Party.
 
The Senator for the illiterate, the guy only got in because people thought they were voting for the Liberal Party. His credibility is not strong.

Isn't this thread about policy? Thought you would be happy that Leyonhjelm is introducing his same-sex marriage bill to Parliament today.
 
That is what most public schools are today, except that 18yos fresh out of school have a hard time finding an apprenticeship (unless they know somebody) because they have learned no practical skills in their 13 years of school. Off to retail, call centres or factories for a large portion of them. Unless they want to do a preap course at tafe which they could have been doing instead of 'english', 'general maths', 'sport/HPE' and [insert bullshit elective here] for the past several years.

The German education system makes so much more sense than ours, it isn't funny. I'm not calling for that kind of radical change; just a few tech schools dotted around the place where kids who are clearly going nowhere academically by, say, the end of Y8 can transfer to learn skills they might actually use in the workforce - and leave the kids who want to continue booklearning alone.


I dont see why they need to be seperated at an early age, tradies can appreciate arts and literature and professionals can brush up on some practical skills, theres plenty of time left to specialise
 

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