Abbott to raise the GST?

[medusala]

Why be a primary school teacher when you can be a investment banker and get rich.

Investment banking takes the cream from unis, teaching typically the dregs.

 

[The Coup]

Investment banking takes the cream from unis, teaching typically the dregs.

Investment banking enslaves a bunch of grads on a lie.

 

[Gus Poyet]

This is a socialist country, every first world country is socialist. Get used to it. If you can't do that then it is best to leave as your social darwinism utopia is never going to happen.

No its not a socialist country. It's a nation of ever increasing parasitic nature driven by jealousy and a sense of entitlement.

Once again. Why do you want to tax my Mrs to the hilt? She deserves every cent she makes. Why are you so ready to take from her what she has earnt to hand out to other people?

 

[The Coup]

Who cares about Gina Rinehart, get over her. You want to tax my Mrs to the hilt just because of your warped view of how many of the nations workers should be penalised for earning more than you and others.

Gus I am happy to teach you about socialism whenever you calm down and appear ready to learn.

But keep this up and you're going to get banned for trolling and/or being a paid account.

 

[Jiska]

The wealth gap in this country is at the highest point it has been in Australian history. The rich can afford to give a bit more.

In my grandfathers day, working class families would never have been able to afford 50" LCD TVs, mobile phones, laptops and iPads; had they existed, and he never had a car. The "poor" in this country don't realise how "rich" they actually are.

 

[The Coup]

In my grandfathers day, working class families would never have been able to afford 50" LCD TVs, mobile phones, laptops and iPads; had they existed, and he never had a car. The "poor" in this country don't realise how "rich" they actually are.

Its relative, its always relative.

The rich are becoming obscenely rich and the poorest are becoming desperately poor, while more of the middle is falling into the poor basket, and none of the middle is allowed to become rich ever again.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Gus I am happy to teach you about socialism whenever you calm down and appear ready to learn.

But keep this up and you're going to get banned for trolling and/or being a paid account.

I know all about socialism. I reject it completely.

I'm not trolling either. I keep asking why should my wife be taxed to the hilt to support others with money she has earnt working a dangerous job.

So many people out there wanting to bring hard working people down to their level just because they earn more than they do.

 

[The Coup]

I know all about socialism. I reject it completely.

I'm not trolling either. I keep asking why should my wife be taxed to the hilt to support others with money she has earnt working a dangerous job.

So many people out there wanting to bring hard working people down to their level just because they earn more than they do.

The whole premise of your question, as well as your assertion that you know "all about" something, is bullshit.

Your last sentence demonstrates a complete and utter lack of even rudimentary understanding of socialism.

 

[Gus Poyet]

The whole premise of your question, as well as your assertion that you know "all about" something, is bullshit.

Your last sentence demonstrates a complete and utter lack of even rudimentary understanding of socialism.

Bullshit is what you have your masters in.

I fully understand socialism seeks to replace production for profit. However, you can shove your production for use up your clacker.

 

[Todman]

Bullshit is what you have your masters in.

I fully understand socialism seeks to replace production for profit. However, you can shove your production for use up your clacker.

If you want to see socialism in action ? Look no further than Venezuela.

The 2014 Venezuelan protests began in February 2014 when hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans protested due to high levels of criminal violence, inflation, and chronic scarcity of basic goods because of policies created the Venezuelan government.

 

[DrKrieger]

The whole premise of your question, as well as your assertion that you know "all about" something, is bullshit.

Your last sentence demonstrates a complete and utter lack of even rudimentary understanding of socialism.

Would agree with you to a point, but there are a few people on this thread demonstrating the attitude gus refers to in his last sentence. The whole idea that "the rich can afford to give a bit more" etc.

I know we probably disagree on this issue, and the world is definitely imperfect, but I don't think that "they earn more than me so they should pay even more tax than the more-than-i-pay tax they already pay is a good enough justification for increasing tax rates. I'd rather the government look at the avoidance methods and try and clamp down on them a bit more, or remove income tax altogether and up the GST, which means the only way to avoid paying tax is to buy overseas, so would need a little more funding to ensure incorrectly valued items aren't being slipped by customs.

Either way, I don't think a truly fair tax system will come from either of the major parties.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

No its not a socialist country. It's a nation of ever increasing parasitic nature driven by jealousy and a sense of entitlement.

That's capitalism for you.

 

[madmug]

Investment banking takes the cream from unis, teaching typically the dregs.

You just generalise & denigrate for no real reason other than trying to be 'smart'. A lot of people chose to do what they like, not based on what might make more money. Maybe you should have a look at some psychology & see what motivates people, it aint just money, unless of course you are a 'particular' sort of creature.
Teaching can be described as a calling. People want to teach & help young people develop. They have I certainly have respect for some of my teachers who helped me a lot. They have a tough job in this more anti-social world we currently have.
I guess I too can be crass & suggest Merchant banking just attracts self absorbed sociopaths, the social dregs of society, But I wont lower myself.

 

[Gough]

I'd argue that socialism chases equality of opportunity, not outcome.

 

[Pessimistic]

I know all about socialism. I reject it completely.

I'm not trolling either. I keep asking why should my wife be taxed to the hilt to support others with money she has earnt working a dangerous job.

So many people out there wanting to bring hard working people down to their level just because they earn more than they do.

By implying that taxing is all socialist you prove you know little

Werent taxes invented to fight wars ? Notice how thers never complaints about money being used to blow up bits of a foreign desert

 

[Showbags]

If you want to see socialism in action ? Look no further than Venezuela.

The 2014 Venezuelan protests began in February 2014 when hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans protested due to high levels of criminal violence, inflation, and chronic scarcity of basic goods because of policies created the Venezuelan government.

So one failed country tars everyone else with the same brush do they?

I would consider the likes of Denmark, Norway, The Netherlands, Sweden etc as more leaning toward a socialist setting with heavy government interference and progressive taxation.

They also consistently rank up there in terms of happiness, fairness, education, health, poverty reduction and the list goes on.

 

[Todman]

So one failed country tars everyone else with the same brush do they?

I would consider the likes of Denmark, Norway, The Netherlands, Sweden etc as more leaning toward a socialist setting with heavy government interference and progressive taxation.

They also consistently rank up there in terms of happiness, fairness, education, health, poverty reduction and the list goes on.

They also have a monarchy.

 

[RUNVS]

They also have a monarchy.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Maggie5]

They also have a monarchy.

Doesn't Australia also have a monarchy?

 

[Lester Burnham]

Abbott won't raise the GST because he promised us he wouldn't in the last election campaign.

And politicians are an honest bunch..

"GST would never become part of Liberal Party policy" - John Howard
"There will never be a carbon tax in a party that I lead" - Julia Gillard

Richo (Graeme not Matthew) was on the radio this morning talking about it. Reckons Abbott wouldn't introduce it this government but might take it to the next election. That's fair enough I think. People have a chance to vote on it.

 

[madmug]

I'd argue that socialism chases equality of opportunity, not outcome.

I think any modern left of centre party worth its salt would be based on the premise of opportunity for all. Maximising the ability of as much of the population as possible is where its at. Education/learning has deep psychological & economic benefits for the whole society. Calling it 'Socialist' is, IMO, not really relevant in a modern Australia. Unless of course one is simply a political hack trying to denegrate people who have other ideas & ideals.
Deep Ideologues are the real problem, on either ends of the political spectrum.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Werent taxes invented to fight wars ? Notice how thers never complaints about money being used to blow up bits of a foreign desert

I hear plenty of complaints about tax payers money being spent on foreign interests. Wasting it on military and aid.

How is it you've never heard these complaints?

 

[Gus Poyet]

I would consider the likes of Denmark, Norway, The Netherlands, Sweden etc as more leaning toward a socialist setting with heavy government interference and progressive taxation.

They also consistently rank up there in terms of happiness, fairness, education, health, poverty reduction and the list goes on.

All of the above are constitutional monarchies. That is what contributes to their stability.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

as long as tax break's for those earning under say 50K per year are applied at the same time i don't really have a problem with it.

 

[Showbags]

All of the above are constitutional monarchies. That is what contributes to their stability.

How does that affect anything? This thread has denigrated into a socialist vs capitalist argument as usual. So I pointed out the successful socialist/free market hybrid countries that are doing quite well for themselves (regardless of their political setup). How does the fact that they have a constitutional monarchy affect their economic policies?