after the Hawks premiership

[craffles]

I think it goes.

Melbourne storm
Sydney roosters

Everyone else

 

[Hawkk]

Trust Geelong to have snared three premierships in an era yet have underachieved by comparison to forebears

I think that one key difference between the teams is that Hawthorn and Brisbane were terrific finals teams who strung it together beautifully when it mattered (thanks in no small way to Clarkson). Geelong have set all sorts of home-and-away records, but choked in 2008 when they were clearly the best team in the comp.

It's interesting to note that of the four grand finals that each club have played during this era, Brisbane only started favourites once (in their narrow 2002 win over Collingwood), whilst Hawthorn started favourites twice (last year vs Freo and the year before vs Sydney) and Geelong in all four GF appearances - although StKilda was the best team in 2009.

This is a very valid point.

For point of comparison you can define the Brisbane, Geelong and Hawthorn eras by how many times they have made consecutive finals series (with one year jumped)

Geelong 2004 - 2014 (2006 jumped)
Home and Away: 180-1-61 (74.38%)
Finals: 15-11 (57.69%)

Hawthorn 2007 - 2014 (2009 jumped)
Home and Away: 122-1-53 (69.31%)
Finals: 13-5 (72.22%)

Brisbane 1995 - 2004 (1998 jumped)
Home and Away: 122-4-94 (55.45%)
Finals: 16-7 (69.53%)

Geelong 2004-2014 was / is without doubt the best home / away club, probably since Hawthorn 1982-1996, Melbourne 1954-1964 and Collingwood 1925-1939. That said the Hawks 2007-2014 and Brisbane 1995-2014 have without doubt the better record in finals.

In fact if you look at the record for successive finals victories (and bare in mind that the final 8 system is provides for more finals than the old system):

Carlton 8 (1906 1st final - to 1909 PF)
Hawthorn 6* (2013 1st final - ongoing)
Brisbane Lions 6 (2001 1st final - 2002 GF)
Geelong 5 (2007 1st final - 2008 PF)

 

[Damon_3388]

Have passed Geelong. Win next year and they are the leaders by the length of the straight.

Over the past decade (2005-2014), Geelong has still won about 30 more games than any other club, even if Sydney has made the same number of finals series (9/10), and Hawthorn have the same number of GF appearances (4) and Premierships (3). The Cats are still ahead.

Pre-2005 was a whole different era and style of football TBH, and is too long ago to effectively compare to today.

 

[Damon_3388]

I cringe when I see our supporters make threads like this

I cringe when I see posters judging a post or a thread by what team the poster supports.

 

[Rainfall]

How is it separate, any more than say Geelong 2011 being separate from '07 and '09? It's a 7 year window compared to 5, not too different.

Geelong had a few more triple premiership players but Hawthorn's core group played in all 3 - Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis, Roughie, Birchall + Rioli. We had the same coach for all 3 as well.

missing 09 kills it, we haven't missed so unless we do the era still lives on under new names

Also I see people throwing the term GOAT around on here a lot what is it? Not the animal lol

 

[Pessimistic]

You have to mention Brisbanes wooden spoon in their era.

Very true to their fitzroy heritage. I still look at footage of that team and think it was an awesome collection of football talent. Not saying they werent good as a team too but geelong and hawthorn definitely used structures, particularly to cover line weaknesses eg geelongs forwards for much of the time and hawthorns backline.

I must say that, age of hodge mitchell burgoyne aside, the hawks look as strong now as they have done over the era

Also three teams doing it in a fifteen year period shows its not that remarkable ( for some teams)


Also technically the Hawks have Four AFL flags, though not obviously of this 'era'

 

[Julius Seizure]

I'd go

Geelong: 3 flags, dominant regular seasons, no bottoming out at any stage.

Brisbane: 3 straight flags, 4 straight grand finals, and nothing since.

Hawthorn: 3 flags, bottomed out hard early mid 2000s,missed finals after winning a flag.

Sydney: 2 flags, 4 grand finals.

Collingwood: flag, 4 grand finals, big run of consecutive top 8, patchy mid 2000s.

Port Adelaide: flag, best regular season team during Brisbane's run. 119.

West coast: flag, grand final.

Essendon:dominated 2000, grand final the next year. Nothing since.

 

[Rise_up_Stiffy]

Adelaide Crows r the best go u mighty crowies

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

I cringe when I see our supporters make threads like this

And to the victors go the spoils - and bragging rights.

Oh well.

 

[B0SK]

Actually its Hawthorn > Geelong >>>>>>>> Brisbane.


Why? Hawthorn & Geelong weren't handed concessions by the AFL. They won flags without enjoying unfair advantages over their opponents.

 

[The GOAT]

Also I see people throwing the term GOAT around on here a lot what is it? Not the animal lol

Greatest Of All Time

 

[tige19]

I cringe when I see posters judging a post or a thread by what team the poster supports.

Move along

 

[tige19]

And to the victors go the spoils - and bragging rights.

Oh well.

Yes true, however threads like this open up an opportunity for trolls to take pot shots.

 

[BOP66]

I cringe when I see our supporters make threads like this

I double that mate.

 

[Leeda]

.. got a cross with another wire that says that pornography is bad... just ain't getting through..

hang on, it says that hawks just drew a few blanks, and that roughie is too good

am just trying to fall in line with everyone else who says that it was a
crash and can't be deleted...

hmmm.

 

[Roylion]

You have to mention Brisbanes wooden spoon in their era.

Very true to their fitzroy heritage.

Really? Fitzroy's heritage is winning wooden spoons? Fitzroy won seven wooden spoons (eight if you count the minor wooden spoon in 1916) in their one hundred year history in the VFL-AFL. As compared to St Kilda's 27 wooden spoons or even Hawthorn's 11 wooden spoons in their ninety years of participation.

 

[Damon_3388]

Move along

No.

 

[Pessimistic]

Really? Fitzroy's heritage is winning wooden spoons? Fitzroy won seven wooden spoons (eight if you count the minor wooden spoon in 1916) in their one hundred year history in the VFL-AFL. As compared to St Kilda's 27 wooden spoons or even Hawthorn's 11 wooden spoons in their ninety years of participation.

Sorry, i meant the year they won the wooden spoon and premiership in one season, with the same team

Like the brisbane lions won a threepeat and a spoon with the same team essentially. Incidentally saving hawthorn from the '98 spoon

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

Yes true, however threads like this open up an opportunity for trolls to take pot shots.

It's not easy remaining humble in victory.

 

[Young Gun #6]

Geelong > Brisbane > Hawks > Sydney > Port > Collingwood > West Coast

 

[Leeda]

are we trying to say that the triple treat is something that Hawks can grab or are we
saying that the double trouble is going to be easier...

we can do a fourpeat if we want so that is yet another diverse monastical feat and
can never give a gobsmack if anyone wants to throw gravel...

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

Hawthorn's the bestest most awesomest team ever - Just ask them they'll tell you

 

[Leeda]

Hawthorn's the bestest most awesomest team ever - Just ask them they'll tell you

yeah well I like the cut of your jib and cut the rest of your crap... it is only hyperbole..

 

[iameviljez]

Geelong 2004-2014 was / is without doubt the best home / away club, probably since Hawthorn 1982-1996, Melbourne 1954-1964 and Collingwood 1925-1939. That said the Hawks 2007-2014 and Brisbane 1995-2014 have without doubt the better record in finals.

In terms of being the best club across entire seasons, Geelong - largely through this 2007-14 group - holds the AFL/VFL record for the best record in consecutive matches for 10 games, 25, 50, 75, 100, 150 and 200 games. (http://www.users.on.net/~rogersresults/Rogers_Results/Tables/Best_Worst_Sequence/Best200.htm). If we string together a few more decent years we'll take the 300-game record, too. It's been a pretty incredible time to be a Cats supporter.

 

[TazHawk15]

Hawthorn's the bestest most awesomest team ever

Correct.