Autopsy Analysis vs. Sydney

[pavsbootlace]

Cracking win over one of the best sides in the comp. They were always going to fight back at some point and I actually think we defended extremely well in the third quarter to keep them to 4 goals when they were really charging. The fact we were able to take back control of the game in the final term was excellent and we gave ourselves plenty of opportunities to ice the game sooner tha we eventually did.

So, after the first 4 games, our form suggests to me that we're the best team in the comp at the moment. If only the GF was played in April... at Subi...

 

[Nothing]

They reached our half time score with 5 minutes to go in the last quarter, I'm not sure what we were all worried about.

 

[Arcassius]

They reached our half time score with 5 minutes to go in the last quarter, I'm not sure what we were all worried about.

It's not the fact we won, or they never had a chance of getting there - it's that during that run, we couldn't buy a possession. They were winning clearances from before the 3rd quarter, but they waltzed it out in the 3rd and we struggled to contain it for a prolonged period. I'm curious as to What Longmire did, and whether it can be replicated as a strategy against us.

 

[Lost_Deputy]

It's not the fact we won, or they never had a chance of getting there - it's that during that run, we couldn't buy a possession. They were winning clearances from before the 3rd quarter, but they waltzed it out in the 3rd and we struggled to contain it for a prolonged period. I'm curious as to What Longmire did, and whether it can be replicated as a strategy against us.

Agreed. We solve that and we will be hard to stop

 

[Arcassius]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-28/is-david-mundy-the-next-shaun-burgoyne

"At a boundary throw-in at half-back with one-and-a-half minutes remaining and the Swans closing, Mundy's first move was to block Sydney Swans tall Sam Reid from being third man up, following an instruction Lyon had given his troops at three-quarter time to curb Reid.

He then pushed off Reid and swung to the front of the stoppage to shark Sandilands' tap and gain metres by kicking the ball forward, averting the danger momentarily, creating another stoppage which led to a Dockers' turnover goal.

There was nothing flashy about the action but it was effective and based on hard work from the moment he arrived at the crucial stoppage empty-handed until he left with the football in his mitts.

The coach noted Mundy, along with Fyfe, was one of two midfielders who stood up in the last quarter."

 

[PapaJ]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-28/is-david-mundy-the-next-shaun-burgoyne

"At a boundary throw-in at half-back with one-and-a-half minutes remaining and the Swans closing, Mundy's first move was to block Sydney Swans tall Sam Reid from being third man up, following an instruction Lyon had given his troops at three-quarter time to curb Reid.

He then pushed off Reid and swung to the front of the stoppage to shark Sandilands' tap and gain metres by kicking the ball forward, averting the danger momentarily, creating another stoppage which led to a Dockers' turnover goal.

There was nothing flashy about the action but it was effective and based on hard work from the moment he arrived at the crucial stoppage empty-handed until he left with the football in his mitts.

The coach noted Mundy, along with Fyfe, was one of two midfielders who stood up in the last quarter."

Not a bad read.

Mundy is becoming a bit of a 4th quarter specialist actually. Whether by accident or design, he's been strong for us when needed in the 2 close games we've had against the quality sides. I suspect it's not be accident myself.

 

[Grandstan]

Not a bad read.

Mundy is becoming a bit of a 4th quarter specialist actually. Whether by accident or design, he's been strong for us when needed in the 2 close games we've had against the quality sides. I suspect it's not be accident myself.

Lyon said after Mundy's strong 4th quarter against Port that there was a new strategy to manage him, basically take him out of the congestion for much of the third, instead playing him on the wing or half back.
We have seen the upside in the 4th, the problem is if other teams are taking advantage at clearances in the 3rd, out muscling us, going third man up etc.

 

[pavsbootlace]

Pretty insulting article really. Dave Mundy got 51 brownlow votes in the last 5 years compared to Burgoyne's 19.

It's obvious Peter Ryan hasn't watched many Freo games in recent years.

 

[Arcassius]

Pretty insulting article really. Dave Mundy got 51 brownlow votes in the last 5 years compared to Burgoyne's 19.

It's obvious Peter Ryan hasn't watched many Freo games in recent years.

Yeah I kept the Burgoyne stuff out of it as it was irrelevant. The mundy bits were interesting

 

[PapaJ]

Pretty insulting article really. Dave Mundy got 51 brownlow votes in the last 5 years compared to Burgoyne's 19.

It's obvious Peter Ryan hasn't watched many Freo games in recent years.

Yeah, true in a sense, but what Burgoyne has been over the years is a bit of a game breaker, I think that's the angle the article is taking. In many other respects, including their style of play etc., they're not very comparable.

 

[beetz]

I have always likened Mundy's twilight years (which I consider 30 years plus) to follow the way Burgoyne has gone about it.

 

[yakamoto]

Watched a replay of the Sydney game last night. I thought that Suban was quite good and De Boer reasonable by his standards. Neither had disastrous changers. But, even though Gu was on the ground for a comparatively short period, in my opinion he positively impacted more critical plays than either of the above.

 

[JamFrank]

Watched a replay of the Sydney game last night. I thought that Suban was quite good and De Boer reasonable by his standards. Neither had disastrous changers. But, even though Gu was on the ground for a comparatively short period, in my opinion he positively impacted more critical plays than either of the above.

His I50 kick to Pav in the 4th was a thing of beauty

 

[ydraw]

Yeah, true in a sense, but what Burgoyne has been over the years is a bit of a game breaker, I think that's the angle the article is taking. In many other respects, including their style of play etc., they're not very comparable.

I think people are reading a bit too much into it. They are comparing Mundy to Burgoyne mostly because they are both midfielders who tend to play a lot in defense.

 

[tacopavlich]

Pretty insulting article really. Dave Mundy got 51 brownlow votes in the last 5 years compared to Burgoyne's 19.

It's obvious Peter Ryan hasn't watched many Freo games in recent years.

To be fair the comparison was being made of the roles each player performs for their team, whether one player is better than the other is irrelevent and not the point of the article.

 

[beetz]

I don't think it is fair to compare Brownlow votes. Burgoyne has for most of his career had a lot of quality players around him to take votes off him while Mundy has only recently in the last few years had that luxury.

 

[Taylor]

Chris Judd Brownlow #2, Gary Ablett Jnr Brownlow #2 both were one player in a team of lesser players

 

[pavsbootlace]

To be fair the comparison was being made of the roles each player performs for their team, whether one player is better than the other is irrelevent and not the point of the article.

Nah. The tone of the article is pretty clear. Ryan's suggestion is that if Mundy can add another string to his bow he could be at Burgoyne's level. Or "in the same class" as Ryan suggests. The fact is that Mundy spends his time in the centre because he is one of the best clearance players in the comp - well above Burgoyne in this regard.

The suggestion that one of the games elite midfielders could become the leagues best utility is a bit like saying Matthew Pavlich could aspire to become the next David Hale.

It's an interesting premise for an article, but unfortunately the finished product merely reflects the Victorian media's lack of insight into our team and their sycophancy toward their Victorian favourites. He could have mentioned Mundy's shifting role from last year to this year, but I doubt he understands it well enough. Just another disappointing article that could have been interesting had the author done his research.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

Watched a replay of the Sydney game last night. I thought that Suban was quite good and De Boer reasonable by his standards. Neither had disastrous changers. But, even though Gu was on the ground for a comparatively short period, in my opinion he positively impacted more critical plays than either of the above.

Yes I agree. Re-watched it so I could focus on those guys and I think it was actually the best game i've seen Suban play. After what was, IMO, a shocker of a 1st week, he's put in a couple of consistent performances. I will be the first man to say that I have not liked Suban's output with us so far in his career, but this is an encouraging sign.

DeBoer as well was able to pick up the slack left by average games on the part of Lachie Neale and Barlow (although I noted neither of those guys were in and around bounces as often as they usually are).

While I still think that Crozier and maybe Sheridan will offer more than Suban and DeBoer in the future, If they continue this view on form, then I think the pendulum has swung to the point where I think we are better advantaged playing Suban and DeBoer this year.

I agree Mzungu still offers more, and I would drop DeBoer to sub because I think the first couple of weeks showed that that is a role he excels at.

 

[Tazmania]

Sam McClure was saying yesterday on 3AW that a bad cold had gone through Fremantle and affected almost everyone. I did see someone mention it here but not in detail.

Apparently the fast starts against the eagles and Sydney were a deliberate tactic to compensate for the additional fatigue they knew would set in later in the games. Roll them hard in the first half then coast for the remainder.

If Fremantle can play like that whilst having a cold in the team I can't wait to see what they can do this week

 

[Taylor]

100% for an entire qualifying final would be tasty.

I wonder if the club will test that out against Gold Coast prior to the bye and three weeks rest in Perth.

 

[beetz]

Sam McClure was saying yesterday on 3AW that a bad cold had gone through Fremantle and affected almost everyone. I did see someone mention it here but not in detail.

Apparently the fast starts against the eagles and Sydney were a deliberate tactic to compensate for the additional fatigue they knew would set in later in the games. Roll them hard in the first half then coast for the remainder.

If Fremantle can play like that whilst having a cold in the team I can't wait to see what they can do this week

I don't understand how this can be a deliberate tactic simply because everyone has a cold. It should be how they approach every game!

 

[Tazmania]

I don't understand how this can be a deliberate tactic simply because everyone has a cold. It should be how they approach every game!

We'd all need heart meds if they keep doing it.

 

[awaremind]

I'd be pretty happy if Mundy's twilight goes as well as Burgoyne's, especially successwise. If only Tabs could become the next Gunston and Croz the next Broost!