Science/Environment Anti-vacc Crazies at it again. Post appropriate outrage ITT

[Clubs are trumps]

It might be news to you that there is a world wide shortage of IC Nurses. Guess why?

Mate i work at the hospital i mentioned in my post above. Im giving an insight into whats happening. I watched my ex struggle to get employment as a nurse after graduating here during the outbreak of the pandemic, simply because she was born in Nepal. If you're going to ask a condescending sarcastic question you can cram it.

 

[Flash of power]

Just focussing on death rates is simplistic and one dimensional, it does not take into account impacts on quality of life as a direct result of the disease, cost to the health system and individuals etc

The majority of people that catch preventable diseases don't actually die from them, that is not to say the negative impact is not significant.

And in regards to parents that smoke, it is now illegal to smoke in a car with a child in the vehicle, but I guess it is pretty damn hard to police what people do in their own homes behind closed doors, but education in this space has achieved a lot IMO.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

So I've seen articles from Natural News pop up a bit lately and decided to have a look for myself. Reading through the Facebook page was torturous, the amount of people that act as if internet memes are evidence and blindly follow anti-vacc rhetoric is staggering. Regardless, a couple of days ago I came across a Natural News article evaluating a vaccine article from the New England Journal of Medicine, a highly regarded journal. Compare the pair:

Natural News - "97% of children affected by 2009 mumps outbreak were vaccinated for condition"
http://www.naturalnews.com/038554_mumps_outbreaks_vaccinations_children.html

NEJM - Mumps outbreak on Orthodox Jewish communities in the United States
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1202865

Certainly looks like cherry picking as the outbreak is confined predominantly to the Jewish Schools. (1st Article looking to denigrate vaccination) They also draw a conclusion that the vaccination increased the likelihood of infection by quoting that 89% had received 2 doses and 8% only of the infected cases had received a single dose. They then suggest that the 2 doses made them more vulnerable. However no evidence is produced on what level of overall vaccination had occurred in the at risk group.


The second article talks of complications for those affected and these complication (7% of the infected cases) were predominantly from unvaccinated cases.

Fairly strong evidence that the vaccination provides a significant benefit on my reading.

 

[madmug]

I thought the world was overpopulated?

Over Population isnt the problem, lack of IQ is.

 

[evo]

See this video from 2:40 which discusses autism and vaccines. Very clearly articulates vaccines don't cause autism. Personally, all this anti-vaccine crap has detracted resources from actually finding out what causes autism and preventing/curing it.

If you follow through the video, it will show that autism markers can be seen in babies (see 11:48) way before they go through most of the vaccine cycle. I do agree personally, that vaccines can be delayed, e.g. injections given to newborns in the hospitals just to reduce the cost of a 2nd trip to the hospital later.

PS - I have 2 boys - one is mildly autistic and the other one is completely normal brat.

The causes seem very complex, eh.

My best mate has 3 autistic kids of varying degree.

He and I travelled together for about 8 years and took a lot of disco drugs during that time so I don't know if that was contributing factor. He also choofed for about 25 years as well.

Don't know if the drugs contributed but it seems a little strange that all his kids developed autism. His wife has a kid from a previous marriage that is normal.

 

[ShanDog]

The causes seem very complex, eh.

My best mate has 3 autistic kids of varying degree.

He and I travelled together for about 8 years and took a lot of disco drugs during that time so I don't know if that was contributing factor. He also choofed for about 25 years as well.

Don't know if the drugs contributed but it seems a little strange that all his kids developed autism. His wife has a kid from a previous marriage that is normal.

Having three children with the same woman and all of them having degrees of autism isn't strange at all. It's pretty ******* unlucky, but it is a clear example of genetics being the source of the issue. The combined genes of your mate and his partner produce an offspring with a high chance of autism disorder. Unrucky.

 

[Axcellence]

The causes seem very complex, eh.

My best mate has 3 autistic kids of varying degree.

He and I travelled together for about 8 years and took a lot of disco drugs during that time so I don't know if that was contributing factor. He also choofed for about 25 years as well.

Don't know if the drugs contributed but it seems a little strange that all his kids developed autism. His wife has a kid from a previous marriage that is normal.

Mate - I don't drink beyond a social drink or smoke and was 100% vegetarian. Never had drugs. Yet, the first one is mildly autistic.

The second one though is 100% normal. We never even had to even think about getting him tested; he's that normal.

The only difference I made between the two was that I went on a health kick, started eating eggs, cut down on carbs and started having proteins + exercise. Less bread and milk as well.

Is there a link though? I don't know. A lot of people have really bad lifestyles but have completely normal kids. Who knows if it is genetic or just a gene expression issue in certain circumstances.

This is why we need more research into causes. Autism's gone from 1/200 to 1/55 per birth in Australia. Using threat of autism to continually bleat a thoroughly disproven theory on vaccines detratcts from finding the real cause and treatments.

 

[ShanDog]

This is why we need more research into causes. Autism's gone from 1/200 to 1/55 per birth in Australia. Using threat of autism to continually bleat a thoroughly disproven theory on vaccines detratcts from finding the real cause and treatments.

 

[darth_timon]

My daughter has been vaccinated and I would never consider jeopardising her life by not doing it. Plus, it's the responsible thing from society's point of view - if I didn't bother to get her vaccinated, she could serve as a carrier of mutated strains and infect others.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

This is why we need more research into causes. Autism's gone from 1/200 to 1/55 per birth in Australia. Using threat of autism to continually bleat a thoroughly disproven theory on vaccines detratcts from finding the real cause and treatments.

That increase is mainly down to better awareness I imagine. In the past they would have been the slightly odd kid but never diagnosed.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

little graham must be stoked to have Pauline Hanson on board with his extremist views
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vaccinating-children-cancer-autism-risks.html
Says it all really.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

This is why we need more research into causes. Autism's gone from 1/200 to 1/55 per birth in Australia. Using threat of autism to continually bleat a thoroughly disproven theory on vaccines detratcts from finding the real cause and treatments.

Do you have a source for those stats, because they seem significantly higher than any I have previously seen.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...sm-rates-steady-for-the-past-20-years/5674162

 

[Slax]

This is why we need more research into causes. Autism's gone from 1/200 to 1/55 per birth in Australia. Using threat of autism to continually bleat a thoroughly disproven theory on vaccines detratcts from finding the real cause and treatments.

The growing school of thought of the increase is not about vaccines but rather to do with the crap people are eating and the impact that these chemicals have on the male sperm and female ova.

 

[little graham]

 

[WCErevival]

I'd be going with the sole peer reviewed article too. Non scientific articles have zero weight. It's like reading tabloids.

 

[Randomizor]

I'd be going with the sole peer reviewed article too. Non scientific articles have zero weight. It's like reading tabloids.

Or worse yet, attempting to justify your views by posting meme pictures

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

and that, ladies and gentlemen, sums up what is wrong with the anti-vaxer mind set, an article/opinion piece is as valid as a peer reviewed, scientific paper.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

She'd be right, too.

 

[little graham]

 

[Grin]

The terrible plagues that killed our children have been defeated in the West. But the price we pay to stop their return is vigilant vaccination.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/th...ruel-place-20160126-gmedwi.html#ixzz3yXSiAvEZ

 

[CM86]

I find this kind of thing frustrating.
Pure fear mongering on the uneducated.

As valid as;

Or "I made an exact replica of the Pacific Ocean, from the elements in my body".

I really think that the worst possible way to learn about a subject, is through memes. You should look elsewhere for information.

Yes yes, silicon as well.

 

[Flash of power]

I am genuinely surprised to come back here and not find some anti-vaxxer sprouting on about the Zika virus being a conspiracy between Govt and big Pharma.

I'm disappointed I thought it would be going off in here.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I am genuinely surprised to come back here and not find some anti-vaxxer sprouting on about the Zika virus being a conspiracy between Govt and big Pharma

Well now that you mention it....

Isn't it part of the Rothschilds plans at population control?

 

[Flash of power]

Well now that you mention it....

Isn't it part of the Rothschilds plans at population control?

Of course it is

 

[Long Live HFC]

I am genuinely surprised to come back here and not find some anti-vaxxer sprouting on about the Zika virus being a conspiracy between Govt and big Pharma.

I'm disappointed I thought it would be going off in here.

hold your disappointment! the usual suspects in here.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/zika-virus.1122587/

 

[Happy Mastenator]

hold your disappointment! the usual suspects in here.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/zika-virus.1122587/

Jesus I made a Rockefeller joke before seeing that thread. See it only took 10 posts for someone to use it in seriousness in that thread....