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Re: Anyone thinking voting ALP in 10 years time when you are "bored" with the Coalition should read

I love this bit:

The other side of Labor is the left faction which comprise political refugees from the socialist movement and the Fabian Society. They still believe in the failed social democratic experiment where government knows better than the individual, the family and the business owner.

As opposed to Cory who believes in a borderline theocracy where the Church knows best :rolleyes:
 
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Re: Anyone thinking voting ALP in 10 years time when you are "bored" with the Coalition should read

Here it comes.

Fuds only 1% point above their post 2010 election popularity. It was always going to close in once the hysteria was discounted. The money from the constipated mining fatsoes is rolling in. Just wait till we see the 'Great Big Carbon Tax' dividends roll in. Oh Yeah, cry me a river.

Workchoices will be the coup de grace. ooooowww.

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Just wait till we see the 'Great Big Carbon Tax' dividends roll in. Oh Yeah, cry me a river.

Workchoices will be the coup de grace. ooooowww.

The fall of the wall was well over a decade ago. Time to move on.
 

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It is with morbid fascination that most Australians watch the political death throes of Tony Abbott. The press gallery can smell blood as he lurches from one crisis to the next.

That governments and prime ministers will face challenges during their time in office is unquestioned. However, for any leader to demonstrate such consistently poor judgment as Tony Abbott has is almost unparalleled in our political history.

Abbott is the subject of mirth within the Australian electorate. But he is not the subject of the regular lampooning afforded to almost every politician; he has entered into a realm all of his own.

People no longer pay attention when he speaks. The most ardent political junkies hit the mute button at the mere threat of him droning and insincere words.

Even the most partisan Liberal supporters find it difficult to justify how it came to be that their once great Party became captured by such a caricature of a leader.

The answer was suggested to me by a reformed Young Liberal apparatchik. He put forward an interesting theory that the Liberal Parties woes are structural and caused by their two warring factions: the left and the right.

He posits that the Liberal right have become a formidable campaign machine and run the modern day Liberal Party.

They are very effective in political messaging, exploiting their opponents’ weaknesses and winning election campaigns; so much so that campaigning has become their only raison d’etre. Accordingly, the right have no real policy passion or agenda save the desire to get into power for power’s sake

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This commentary is very well put . The whole point of that so called right of the Party , is the fact that they have an absolute mental concrete block in their brains that KEEPS TELLING THEM they are born to rule. THEY AREN'T!
Mr Abbott continually makes commentary mistakes , and when you think he can't go any worse , he comes out with the Peta vs Peter comment about his heavy duty chief of staff. Leaving himself open to ridicule and leaving his opponents a brilliant broadside attacking opportunity.

Who the hell minds this bloke. He may destroy that Party , the Libs need to get some brains and gumption and put Turnbull back in charge, Tony Abbott is now and always was someone that might be a good bloke but he is no politician, I mean that in the sense he is not a vision man he has no capacity out in the public, some politicians look uncomfortable with the public al la John Howard, but Abbott looks stupid.

And the worse thing, as was said in that article , people turn off, even when he says something correct.

I know I'm a bit biased , but let me tell you, the Libs have to change leader, and they need to give Joe Hockey a different portfolio.

And Christopher Pyne needs to see that HE IS NOT THE CENTRE OF ATTENTION , NOR IS EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM. He also needs another not so public portfolio because he is a pig headed little fellow, and is very much disliked by the electorate, these three right now are a blight on the Liberal party.

The other worry from that whole set up, is, has the opposition got the cattle to do the job the other way?

Bill is good but sometimes he needs some power injections , a little bit of nasty. He hasn't . Labor need a Paul Keating type.

But the Libs need Turnbull, if they don't see sense they may not have a Liberal Party in 10 years.

Maybe it will be the Nick Xenaphon party in charge.
 

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The coalition puts jesus over science and cuts from the poor, who cares what else they stand for really their views are medieval. The budgets intent is right wing agenda and not economic recovery. Analysis shows our tax system is horrible and needs restructure, the general recommendation is to increase tax in all sectors bar the two lowest classes which sounds right to me.

This party has always being non-conservative with it's fire sales of national/public assets, gold and worst of all 314b from our coal filtered into the supers of people already making a heavy profit of our resource.

You can't attack labor unless you turn them into a white trash tv drama lol, which is something only the dumb people are capable of doing. Arguably unlike liberal none of their policies were unfair. Big difference between the two.

One is attacking the country directly through reform while the other gets attacked by the country itself lol, as "feminist" "backstabber" "socialist" "fiscal debt bandit". It is a massive joke if you love the character so much watch that stupid TV show Lost and keep the drama out of Australian Politics.
 
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Labor are a joke mate - massive identity crisis, talent from the wrong areas, arseholes like Howes and Arbib pulling the strings.

If you love Labor, you should be hoping they get torched at the next election - its the only chance you have of them starting from scratch and actually being the Party they're meant to be.

Personally, I don't want either Party to be weak, if both Parties were full of talent and had half a clue, we wouldn't worry so much when 'the other guys' got in.

But this current incarnation of the ALP is a sick joke.
Meanwhile back at the end of 2014. The Labor Party needs to do one major thing. That is take the union heavies out of the equation. Remember I said union heavies, because the average union member and official that wants to look after their working conditions cannot afford to have union boss' (SOME NOT ALL) whose main intention is getting on the political band wagon and feeding trough.

They forget that their job as a unionist is the union which is the members, not getting into parliament. It is a big bad black cloud that hangs over Labor. Perhaps they are slowly coming out of it.

The other side is just so far into self preservation and looking after mates and having power, and we see a great political party turn into a petty cheap inconsistent incompetent pack . With the wrong bloke as boss and his major port folio holders are all mongrels. Pyne , Hockey, the immigration minister,and that Hunt critter too , and fair dinkum have a look at Eric Abetz, saw him answering the media on TV yesterday , and if ever a person ought to do himself and the country a big favour by resigning its this dolt of a bloke.

Really how do these painful unattractive tow the line type of robotic drones get into parliament. It is the Eric Abetz 's of the world that give politics the filthy names they get, and the garbage standard of human that goes into it. So maybe the whole lot of the both parties need to do some cleaning out.

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Bored with the coalition ? Never, its a laff a week
Indeed. How could one be anything but amused about 20 mill in the kick for counselling.

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This commentary is very well put . The whole point of that so called right of the Party , is the fact that they have an absolute mental concrete block in their brains that KEEPS TELLING THEM they are born to rule. THEY AREN'T!
Mr Abbott continually makes commentary mistakes , and when you think he can't go any worse , he comes out with the Peta vs Peter comment about his heavy duty chief of staff. Leaving himself open to ridicule and leaving his opponents a brilliant broadside attacking opportunity.

Who the hell minds this bloke. He may destroy that Party , the Libs need to get some brains and gumption and put Turnbull back in charge, Tony Abbott is now and always was someone that might be a good bloke but he is no politician, I mean that in the sense he is not a vision man he has no capacity out in the public, some politicians look uncomfortable with the public al la John Howard, but Abbott looks stupid.

And the worse thing, as was said in that article , people turn off, even when he says something correct.

I know I'm a bit biased , but let me tell you, the Libs have to change leader, and they need to give Joe Hockey a different portfolio.

And Christopher Pyne needs to see that HE IS NOT THE CENTRE OF ATTENTION , NOR IS EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM. He also needs another not so public portfolio because he is a pig headed little fellow, and is very much disliked by the electorate, these three right now are a blight on the Liberal party.

The other worry from that whole set up, is, has the opposition got the cattle to do the job the other way?

Bill is good but sometimes he needs some power injections , a little bit of nasty. He hasn't . Labor need a Paul Keating type.

But the Libs need Turnbull, if they don't see sense they may not have a Liberal Party in 10 years.

Maybe it will be the Nick Xenaphon party in charge.
Which is why the Nationals need to get out of teh coalition. It's fine to have an argeement to support the government, but they need to stand on their own two feet again because their members and those they represent don't want them lurching further to the right.

If the Nats threatened to walk it would also bring the Libs to heal, the loss of more Senate seats and the realism that holding power outright is a lot harder, might just save our bacon.
 
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Which is why the Nationals need to get out of teh coalition. It's fine to have an argeement to support the government, but they need to stand on their own two feet again because their members and those they represent don't want them lurching further to the right.

If the Nats threatened to walk it would also bring the Libs to heal, the loss of more Senate seats and the realism that holding power outright is a lot harder, might just save our bacon.

As long as the nationals always agree with the liberals and do exactly what the liberals want in every situation they are going to have no power at all in the Coalition party room.
 

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As long as the nationals always agree with the liberals and do exactly what the liberals want in every situation they are going to have no power at all in the Coalition party room.
Which is why they need to get out. Given the swing away from the major parties to minor parties/independents in recent years, the Nationals should get out of bed with the Libs. Sure they lose some ministerial positions, but they then gain far more influence in politics around Australia. The Nationals could get 6 Seantors and 15 lower house seats, with some preference deals that would involvegroups like KAP and CA it is easy to see them getting a Senator in their main 4 states each election (Qld, NSW, VIC & WA)

Take a look at Victoria they only got 2 upper house seats because they were placed 3rd in Western Victoria on the ticket, run independently and I'd put money on them getting a seat there. That would put them in a position to negotiate with Labor or Liberals depending on who is in power.

The simple problem is that as a crossbencher you get the same pay as a backbencher, hold a ministerial position or shadow ministerial position and it is a decent payrise. Too many people on the gravy train.
 
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Which is why the Nationals need to get out of teh coalition. It's fine to have an argeement to support the government, but they need to stand on their own two feet again because their members and those they represent don't want them lurching further to the right.

If the Nats threatened to walk it would also bring the Libs to heal, the loss of more Senate seats and the realism that holding power outright is a lot harder, might just save our bacon.
Truss should not be the leader , and I would love to see them give the Libs a clip under the ear. If the ignoring of the drought ridden farmers and the suicides is anything to go on the Libs are ignoring the Nats most of the time.
 
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Truss should not be the leader , and I would love to see them give the Libs a clip under the ear. If the ignoring of the drought ridden farmers and the suicides is anything to go on the Libs are ignoring the Nats most of the time.
Which makes it even more amazing that the Nats stay wil the Libs. With the move right over the last 15 years in politics Labor is better suited to an alliance with the Nats than the Libs
 
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Which makes it even more amazing that the Nats stay wil the Libs. With the move right over the last 15 years in politics Labor is better suited to an alliance with the Nats than the Libs
Crikey , I only said that on an email to a friend this morning. The Nats would be much better to ally themselves with the modern labor party. But the labor folks also have to reduce the union heavies that influence them too much. I am a unionist and a former union rep, so I am all for workers protection , but unions cannot have leaders whose only ambition is to get into parliament . Thats what bothers me , I hacve had some very unsatisfactory situation develop with some union secretaries , I have witnessed one just fall into a safe Labor seat. That is a problem. If ever sense is seen by Labor leaders and if ever the Nats got involved the Liberals may just disappear. Especially when you look at the rabble they have in cabinet, I only have to think of Abbott , Hockey , Abetz , Hunt , Pyne , Andrews, Bishop 1 and Bishop 2, Brandis, I mean the list is big and the Libs are really a mish mash of unpopularity, How the hell they got into government still baffles me. But the opposition has quite a bit of game lifting to do yet.
 
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Crikey , I only said that on an email to a friend this morning. The Nats would be much better to ally themselves with the modern labor party. But the labor folks also have to reduce the union heavies that influence them too much. I am a unionist and a former union rep, so I am all for workers protection , but unions cannot have leaders whose only ambition is to get into parliament . Thats what bothers me , I hacve had some very unsatisfactory situation develop with some union secretaries , I have witnessed one just fall into a safe Labor seat. That is a problem. If ever sense is seen by Labor leaders and if ever the Nats got involved the Liberals may just disappear. Especially when you look at the rabble they have in cabinet, I only have to think of Abbott , Hockey , Abetz , Hunt , Pyne , Andrews, Bishop 1 and Bishop 2, Brandis, I mean the list is big and the Libs are really a mish mash of unpopularity, How the hell they got into government still baffles me. But the opposition has quite a bit of game lifting to do yet.
How Daniel Andrews goes in Victoria over the next 2 years will decide how the ALP is run federally over the following decade. He has had strong ties to the CFMEU in his earlier days, but if he can sever those ties and those with the Public Teachers Union it would go a long way to satisfying the Nats as they have long been the two most influential unions when it comes to preselection battles.
 
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How Daniel Andrews goes in Victoria over the next 2 years will decide how the ALP is run federally over the following decade. He has had strong ties to the CFMEU in his earlier days, but if he can sever those ties and those with the Public Teachers Union it would go a long way to satisfying the Nats as they have long been the two most influential unions when it comes to preselection battles.
It needs to be eased up, the union influence I mean. The unions have to have some involvement in the Labor Party AS IT IS THE PARTY OF THE WORKER , but absolutely no influence that creates the jobs for the boys syndrome, like Mr Bullock in WA. WHAT A DISASTER THAT IS AND WAS.
 

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http://www.corybernardi.com/2012/05/priorities.html


People no longer pay attention when she speaks. The most ardent political junkies hit the mute button at the mere threat of her droning and insincere words.

Even the most partisan Labor supporters find it difficult to justify how it came to be that their once great Party became captured by such a caricature of a leader.

just replace she with he and Labor with Liberal and you have a great article about Cory's own party.
 

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