Are Geelong about to do a Carlton & Essendon?

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Last nights game they had 11 guys over 150 games experience. Only 6 guys under 50 games.

They rely on Selwood so much that if he is curtailed they are certain to lose.

They have topped up with Mitch Clark which hasn't worked.

Young kids coming through? Most of them don't look like they'll be as good as the previous generation and don't compare too well to kids at other clubs.

The investment in Caddy has reaped an ok midfielder but not the gun they were expecting.

The question is why are so many old guys playing? Why aren't more kids being played?
 

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why so many old guys playing? cause some still have form compared to the younger ones, but 1 could say the same about Essendon, why are there so many old guys playing at Essendon like Fletcher for example when he should have retired right on 400. i still rate Andrew Mackier . an some others

Geelongs still going better than Carlton an Essendon but sure Geelong need to rebuild again, an getting Clarke has worked when he plays which isnt often. he wouldnt be on big salary anyway
 
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Apparently it's impossible to win with 7 players under 50 games. Geelong pushed it right to the edge.

Stats show experienced teams win more often and are usually in the top 8. There are a few exceptions here and there but there are also some people that get rich from tattslotto.

They look like they are failing their post golden generation rebuild.
 
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No we aren't about to do an Essendon or Carlton. We've hit that point where we have quite a few premiership stars and then all young kids with not much in the middle, and that was always going to happen, does to every team who are up there contending.

The club just has to be realistic now with where we are at, which is a 10-14th side, and build for 2016 onwards. I'd start playing more kids and dropping a few vets.
 
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Stats show experienced teams win more often and are usually in the top 8. There are a few exceptions here and there but there are also some people that get rich from tattslotto.

They look like they are failing their post golden generation rebuild.

Ridiculous call. Our golden run ended after the 2011 GF, we've been pretty damn good since with our "rebuild". I wouldn't say we are failing until we are finding ourselves in a similar situation in say 2017.
 

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Last nights game they had 11 guys over 150 games experience. Only 6 guys under 50 games.

They rely on Selwood so much that if he is curtailed they are certain to lose.

They have topped up with Mitch Clark which hasn't worked.

Young kids coming through? Most of them don't look like they'll be as good as the previous generation and don't compare too well to kids at other clubs.

The investment in Caddy has reaped an ok midfielder but not the gun they were expecting.

The question is why are so many old guys playing? Why aren't more kids being played?

Because they are injured?
 

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Happened to Brisbane

Collingwood still have Pendelbury, Swan, Sidebottom and many others from their 2010 side albeit traded many of them off. Don't see them playing finals this year anyway.. but need to be cautious as they will accumulate a lot late 1st round and 2nr round picks like Hawthorn and Geelong

Hawthorn will go through what Geelong went through in 2-3 years its just Geelong stars were 2-3 years older on average

Swans, well - they have an academy so not sure

Fremantle need a restructured forward line and they're aging too and have no academy.
 

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If that's were Geelong believe they are then they should, they def look like on the decline and need to do turnover of their list as Jimmy, Kelly, Enright, Lonergan, Rivers, Stevie J will be moving on over the next coming years one would think
 

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If that's were Geelong believe they are then they should, they def look like on the decline and need to do turnover of their list as Jimmy, Kelly, Enright, Lonergan, Rivers, Stevie J will be moving on over the next coming years one would think

They are turning over.
Gregson, Lang, Thurlow, Bews are all best 22 players now.
Guthrie, Blicavs and Caddy are starting mids.
The thing is the turnover has happened slowly over the last few years so people don't realise it has happened, hence calls of "time to play the kids and rebuild!" from most including Cats fans.
 

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Kelly, Enright, Johnson, Lonergan, Bartel and Mackie will all retire in the next couple of years.
You don't just replace these guys overnight.

Neither do you Ottens, Corey, Ling, Ablett (sort of), Mooney etc
Of those you mentioned Johnson has gone from midfield into being a forward, Kelly, Bartel and Mackie have missed bulk games. Only Enright and Lonergan have been consistent performers for us this year.
 

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Neither do you Ottens, Corey, Ling, Ablett (sort of), Mooney etc
Of those you mentioned Johnson has gone from midfield into being a forward, Kelly, Bartel and Mackie have missed bulk games. Only Enright and Lonergan have been consistent performers for us this year.

Don't think Corey, Ling and Ablett have been replaced to what played last night. Realistically speaking
 

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They are turning over.
Gregson, Lang, Thurlow, Bews are all best 22 players now.
Guthrie, Blicavs and Caddy are starting mids.
The thing is the turnover has happened slowly over the last few years so people don't realise it has happened, hence calls of "time to play the kids and rebuild!" from most including Cats fans.

Most your backline will be gone soon. Think that's where Cats will focus on next few drafts. If Danger wants a premiership and wants to come to Vic only real serious team for him to join would be Tigers. I wouldn't go to Dogs, Demons or North just yet
 

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It will happen to Hawthorn as well.

Hodge, Lewis, Roughead (turning 29 in January), Miitchell, Gibson will all start hanging up their boots and will retire in quick succession.

Puopolo, Birchall, Smith Frawley will be 27-28 this time next year.
 
I suspect a few of their younger players will step up when given an opportunity. It's just we haven't seen a lot of them. No reason to think their recruiting and development has fallen on their arse at the same time their premiership stars are winding up their careers.
 
Geelong are turning over their list, they've just got a total lack of 24-28yos. Having these young kids start their careers playing with guys like Jimmy B, Enright, Kelly, SJ would be fantastic for their development.
 
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It's a good study, Geelong clearly attempting to build without really bottoming out and getting those elite draft picks.

Interesting to see if it can be done successfully, or if it just leads to long stretches of mid-ladder mediocrity - never going to the bottom but never going right up again either.

Sydney did it, but they have certain advantages re recruiting that Geelong don't.
 
I wouldn't go to Dogs, Demons or North just yet

Why would he go to North "just yet" or "in the future"? North have the biggest issues with youth. North are built to win now (they won't), not for a year or two. And not to be a homer, but Collingwood should be on the list.

It's a good study, Geelong clearly attempting to build without really bottoming out and getting those elite draft picks.

Interesting to see if it can be done successfully, or if it just leads to long stretches of mid-ladder mediocrity - never going to the bottom but never going right up again either.

Keep your eyes on us - we're going the same path.
 

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It's a good study, Geelong clearly attempting to build without really bottoming out and getting those elite draft picks.

Interesting to see if it can be done successfully, or if it just leads to long stretches of mid-ladder mediocrity - never going to the bottom but never going right up again either.

Sydney did it, but they have certain advantages re recruiting that Geelong don't.

Cats did it and snared 3 flags without having a pick higher than 7.
It CAN be done, but everything has to go right.
 
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Do an Essendon? enter a period of more than a decade where they won't win a final, and give an unproven club legend the coaching gig with no actual accreditation who sends them back down to the bottom when they were supposedly coming good!??

The bigger question is, which Geelong veteran will Essendon pick-up at the end of the season....Mackie or Kelly?
 
They need more players who are around Selwood's age. Players who are in their prime like Dangerfield, Scott Selwood and Lachie Henderson would be ideal recruits.
 
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