Secondary ATAR results

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SHP said:
I thought I went pretty well this year, even though it was only year 11. I got A+ in every sac for business, got A's and A+'s for English. The same with PE, but my results varied with Bio and Methods. Hopefully I end up with a good atar at the end of next year.
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Business is an extremely tough class to score high in I got A to A+'s throughout the year except for one B+ and I only got a 38. PE aswell is incredibly hard to get high in. Bio and Methods you really want to knuckle down for though as you can easily score high in them. I sailed through Bio in Year 12, did the bare minimum and didn't study for either of my exams and got 41. So you knuckle down you could very well get a high 40.

Anybody know of kids getting 50's? Had about 6 kids in my year level last year that got 50's in subjects. Absolutely amazing the determination needed to get a 50, had one mate get two 50's and another very high 40 fair to say his ATAR was in the high 99's.
 
NarniMagic said:
Haha yeh man that's your raw score. Awesome effort! Must be nice to have a 40 under your belt before year 12 has even started :p
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Haha, it's a nice way to start - IT is one of my strong points, so I'm happy I finished one of the ITs first so I've got confidence and experience in VCE exams heading into next year :p
 
93.75 - absolutely stoked.

Woke up at 3am, checked facebook, and by chance I found the leaked scores on the HUN. Was thrilled to see a 48 in business management, 41 in english and a 40 in legal studies. Made some stupid mistakes in the further maths exam so I missed out with a 39. Can't complain though. :thumbsu:
 
j0rdy1 said:
Business is an extremely tough class to score high in I got A to A+'s throughout the year except for one B+ and I only got a 38. PE aswell is incredibly hard to get high in. Bio and Methods you really want to knuckle down for though as you can easily score high in them. I sailed through Bio in Year 12, did the bare minimum and didn't study for either of my exams and got 41. So you knuckle down you could very well get a high 40.

Anybody know of kids getting 50's? Had about 6 kids in my year level last year that got 50's in subjects. Absolutely amazing the determination needed to get a 50, had one mate get two 50's and another very high 40 fair to say his ATAR was in the high 99's.
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When I did BusMan in 2010 I kid from my school got 50. He didn't even do THAT well on the Sacs which just goes to show the Exam is the most important piece of assesment by a long way
 
cmspencer said:
So jealous of all of you over east who get theirs today. In WA, we have to wait until around New Years to get them, which absolutely sucks. Most people sounded like they did really well, so congraulations!
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They always come out earlier. Last year, I think mine came Christmas eve, Boxing Day at the latest. The server will basically overload for two days, though.

Also, to anyone who got a bad score: Once you're in the uni system, your ATAR means nothing. You are nothing but dollars and cents to these institutions. Do Arts at an average place, do well enough (distinction average) and you'll be absolutely fine to transfer.

Uni is a good time in life, especially if you're leaving home. Look forward to it.
 
cmspencer said:
So jealous of all of you over east who get theirs today. In WA, we have to wait until around New Years to get them, which absolutely sucks. Most people sounded like they did really well, so congraulations!
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yeah mine came out a day early, just remember to check facebook and your texts a lot leading up to the release date as when they're out someone is bound to text or put a status up.

get on there before the server overloads and it stops taking requests
 
How are ATAR's calculated in the end? Cus I got above 70 in all my exams but still got an ATAR of below 50.

46.46 to be precise. Got me stunned.o_O

But on the bright side, already been accepted into Uni guaranteed admission so I couldn't care less about the atar.
 
Hatchy1992 said:
How are ATAR's calculated in the end? Cus I got above 70 in all my exams but still got an ATAR of below 50.

46.46 to be precise. Got me stunned.o_O

But on the bright side, already been accepted into Uni guaranteed admission so I couldn't care less about the atar.
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Are you in year 12 at 20 years old? :O
 

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Hatchy1992 said:
How are ATAR's calculated in the end? Cus I got above 70 in all my exams but still got an ATAR of below 50.

46.46 to be precise. Got me stunned.o_O

But on the bright side, already been accepted into Uni guaranteed admission so I couldn't care less about the atar.
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i've never heard of scaling that drastic, a few possibilities:

  • your school's marking was too generous compared to how the school performed in the WACE exams, and thus your marks were notched back
  • your wace exam results might be lower than your school marks
  • you might have repeated units

even still, an ATAR of 50 from an average from 70 is still unheard of..... at least you've got guaranteed admission, and if you do decide to swap to a different uni then all they will look at your uni marks and not your ATAR, so from this point onwards its useless....
 
Ghossein said:
i've never heard of scaling that drastic, a few possibilities:

  • your school's marking was too generous compared to how the school performed in the WACE exams, and thus your marks were notched back
  • your wace exam results might be lower than your school marks
  • you might have repeated units
even still, an ATAR of 50 from an average from 70 is still unheard of..... at least you've got guaranteed admission, and if you do decide to swap to a different uni then all they will look at your uni marks and not your ATAR, so from this point onwards its useless....
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I spoke to a few teachers yesterday and they said along the same line that you have, that my subjects are scaled fairly low and thus dragging my ATAR down.

But as you said, none of that matters now.
Cheers mate.:thumbsu:
 
WA results came out tonight. Got 91.95, which is still fairly good. Not overly pleased though, because my predicted was 95, and I didn't bomb out in any exams. I have friends who did the same subjects as me - one got one percent higher in a few things, and then was significantly lower in another subject and got 95, while another got lower than me in all but one subject and got 93.1 Very confused about my scaling, but still, it's a pretty good ATAR.
 
Yeah, I know, but for us to have very similar marks, and the ATARS to be so different, I'm slightly concerned. But oh well, it's still a fairly good mark.
And in WA, they give you your exam mark and your school mark as a percentage, or more accurately, a score out of 100.
 
beardymac said:
well - i'm year 11 heading into year 12, and I've accelerated, so all that's displayed for me is "VCE Results", not the ATAR section.

The page looks like this:

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I'm just wondering if that "Study Score: 40" has already been scaled down, or whether it's the raw and I've actually gotten a 36 (which is what IT Apps scales to from 40).
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Remember that this is scaled on this years results. So whatever it goes down by this year will count towards the score you get next year.
 
cmspencer said:
WA results came out tonight. Got 91.95, which is still fairly good. Not overly pleased though, because my predicted was 95, and I didn't bomb out in any exams. I have friends who did the same subjects as me - one got one percent higher in a few things, and then was significantly lower in another subject and got 95, while another got lower than me in all but one subject and got 93.1 Very confused about my scaling, but still, it's a pretty good ATAR.
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The ATAR system is a load of bullshit. There are many fundamental flaws in the system (was VCE when I did it) that make it confusing, not transperent and do not necessarily rank students effectively. The scaling system is biggest flaw and despite the highly logical evidence that it should be abolished, it is not because the curriculum setters are scared to face the backlash from it. For example, they claim Latin needs to go up by a ridiculous number because it is harder to compete because they falsely assume the cohort is automatically stronger as the unit is harder and therefore it is harder to compete. What they fail to assess and judge however is many students take units like psych and business because it is seen an easy big score. This therefore makes them harder because the high quality of students reduces the likelihood you will score big with ease. Further other subjects like commercial cookery are raped because they see them as easy units despite the fact the low cohort means less scores over 40 would be given and many of the traditional maths/science students would fail to succeed in it and this is proven. Therefore while the ATAR aims to eliminate the deficiencies in the scoring, it is disproportionately skewed towards two things. Subjects seen as superior and schools with a stronger class. This is why students at some government schools like Dandenong High will never excel as much as someone at Melbourne Grammar despite being really good at the unit and having really similar exam scores. As much as the assessment board likes to ignore this fact, the evidence is overwhelmingly in support of this fact and strengthens the reason why having support from your parents at a higher financial level is essential. Even surgeons I have been to who went to government schools often had to sidestep because it was near impossible for them to get a score to get into the course initially from school.
 
Bob Vance said:
^They judge how 'hard' a subject is by comparing how the students in that subject went in their other subject - for example, from my experience of doing Business Management most of the kids in that class took it as a bludge, so the majority of students weren't that strong in their other subjects and as such BusMan is marked down quite a bit. If you compare that to a subject like Specialist Maths, most students are fairly bright and do really well in their other subjects, meaning that essentially someone who gets a 40 in Specialist Maths has worked much harder to get that score than someone who gets a 40 in Business Management - the scaling is absolutely necessary because otherwise why would anyone do a subject as ridiculous as Spesh if they can do something easier and be rewarded?

I think you'd find that the reason private schools do better academically than government schools would be primarily better teachers and better students most of the time - FWIW I didn't go to a private school but still managed to get a high ATAR - it's all up to the individual at the end of the day really.

I do think that the system is way too biased to maths/science type students though - which worked in my favour but it is very difficult to do as well if you do more arts/humanities based subjects. I don't know whether that's because of their subjective nature making it harder to get 95%+ exam scores compared to say doing a maths subject where the answers are either right or wrong, but I think that's one thing that's wrong with the system - most 99.9+ scores seems to be students doing Eng Lang/Methods/Spesh/Chem,Physics etc
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I think in regard to the hard subjects compared to bludge subjects or so called ones as business is is that there still are quite a high number of idiots doing them. The best example used was mathematical methods vs business management. Mathematical Methods goes up by 5 while business went down by 5 when I did it. The reason methods was selected was this was the most popular of the generic 'hard' subjects as many degrees required it. The debate and logic was that statistically in any subject there is the same number of 'elite' students in any unit thus making it harder to score well in that unit. At the end of the day all students have to fit within the same bell curve in any unit and even if there is a glut of students around the full marks range in a unit (highly unlikely) there will still be roughly the same percentage of students who receive a certain grade like a A or A+ for that unit. The biggest concern was that the kids who may be looking at middle band for a commerce law course at Deakin for example have their enter compromised because they have to make a decision whether to do a positively scaled maths unit over a unit like business or legal that would give them middle band selection status. At the end of it when comparing these two highly popular units, it was contended by those looking outside that there was little evidence to justify the scaling discrepancy in these two units as many reasonable students in business who got good grades and a score was receiving an equal study score to someone who was abominable in Methods and coasted through to get a 25 and falling well below the state's average.

The other criticism of your comment is the claim that why would someone do a hard course like Specialist if they didn't get scaling? This theory is dismissed by the use of languages in schools. Many students have the ability to take languages that they speak at home fluently into VCE giving their enter a double advantage compared to those who are not multilingual. We had one kid who had three second languages ffs because of his situation. Korean, English and French were all second languages for him because despite his Korean birth and heritage he went overseas to a French nation before primary school was finished and thus had a big leg up. He did nothing in all languages throughout the year and yet waltzed to an atar over 80 (he literally spent the rest of the times mucking around in the other units) because he got 48 and 47 in the non English language courses. Further many questioned why Arabic gets scaled up only 3 when hebrew is by 13 14 despite the challenge of the language being similar and many Jewish kids being exposed to the language from birth much the same as Lebanese migrants are to Arabic. Therefore these are key examples of a subject being considered 'harder' due to its content when in actual fact they are not and no less or no more competitive than the standard English course which also goes down.

As for the schools and work ethic this is somewhat true unless you are attending one of the selective government schools or the government schools in the better areas like Camberwell High. The biggest problem is no matter how much you work, a weak student will get dragged up in a strong school while a strong student in awek school will get dragged down. We had a kid in Economics who got 48 and I was second of about 20 with 36 (my 2nd weakest unit). Despite him performing extemely well and me reasonably well in the Sacs, the rest of the kids were in the dummy range allowing our sacs to be considered easy and us all dropping marks due to standardisation. This is in comparison to kids at Scotch (friend of the teacher taught there) where due to the higher cohort of stronger students (8-10 of 40-45) their sacs went up considerably especially those in the dummy range around the 50-65 marks. Therefore we all suffered from it despite many including myself exceeding semester performance on the exam (I gained a high A for the unit exam) we all were lowered cause of the SACS scores. The top kid had the 3rd highest exam mark in the state apparently and yet only didn't get 50 due to the Sacs going down. Therefore this fact can play a big role in whether you get a higher enter even if you outperform many and would likely achieve excellent results on any course assessment given to you. My coordinator suggested that in her experience with the system and working for them (20 years she had that role for) that had I been at a Trinity or Scotch or Melbourne High I would have ended up closer to 90 than 85 with the incredibly scaled down units I did.

Also I'll say this. Just because some take units as a "bludge" doesn't mean all do. I had another good friend who did hospo and was an absolute deadshit at his other units but bright as * in hospitality. He finished 2nd in the whole of Victoria for the prac assessments and despite his inability to string a sentence or spell still managed to get 45 and then lose 15 post scaling. Considering only two people got higher than him in Victoria doesn't mean it was easy to score highly to start with. When only one will get a 50 it says a lot about how good you need to be to achieve it.

Having said that, I achieved my main aims of vce which were to piss off certain cu nt teachers and finish dux in two subjects. I will never ever forgetthe day when I saw the look on my English teacher and the other English teacher's faces who marked 90% of my SAC assessments and paid me out over my ability all year and told me I would be lucky to reach 30 with how I was going when they saw the A+ to my name and that I got 19 for the apparent impossible essay that I was told I Fuc ked up on for taking. Even better when she admitted to me I smased the prized lit student the slag. The head of English laughed considering I was kicked out for a term.
 
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