Australia’s Confederations Cup bid the help of the four major football codes

[The_Wookie]

Here we go again

http://www.news.com.au/sport/footba...r-football-codes/story-fndkzvnd-1227266764468

Australia will need six ‘clean’ stadiums for about a month in June and July of 2021 if the competition is based on the same criteria as the 2013 Confederations Cup in Brazil.

But having access to 40,000 minimum capacity stadiums in accordance with FIFA standards could be a major sticking point.

Soccer would need the AFL (Australian football), ARU (rugby) and NRL (rugby league) to cooperate to have any hope of luring the Confederations Cup to Australia.

Those football competitions would be in the peak of their competitions and using the most sought after venues during their domestic seasons in 2021.

And if Adelaide Oval is to be a five star venue it would mean its AFL tenants the Adelaide Crows and Port Adelaide would have to vacate the venue for a month in accordance to FIFA Confederation Cup demands.

The same situation would apply to clubs in the AFL, NRL and ARU currently using Victoria’s MCG and Docklands Stadium, NSW’s Stadium Australia and Sydney Football Stadium, Queensland’s Lang Park and Brisbane Cricket Ground and WA’s Subiaco Oval and the new Perth Stadium.

 

[The_Reaper]

FFA will avoid discussing any adequate compensation whilst crying about how the bigger codes are bullying it

 

[HowYouDoin]

lol soccer

 

[Jimmybob]

I'd love to see the Confederations Cup here, but I just don't see any way this could work.

 

[Sherrinator]

Confederations Cup is a waste of time.

 

[BobbyMorri]

Not going to happen. It will go to Japan. they will give up some club world cups for this, are in AFC, and got more votes than us. pipe dream.

if it did, the AFL/NRL doesn't own the MCG, Adelaide oval, New Perth stadium, Olympic Park, Suncorp, Gold Coast, Canberra or Newcastle stadiums. FFA only need 6 stadiums. FFA might do a Asia Cup and cut out SA and WA from the tournament for "distance" reasons, or might hold 2 stadiums in Sydney. who the hell knows.

AFL/NRL may have contracts but we dont know what it says and the major underwriter on these stadiums would be government. if government want it, they will get it. I cant see there being wont be direct compo as the codes have more to gain than lose in the long term if it did go ahead. for example

the word new perth stadium has been said for so long, it is no longer new. think the AFL would be more than happy with that finally being built, coupled with upgrades to training facilities for nations to use for the tournament. which would of course go back to the community and certain sporting clubs.

 

[Borderline]

So Qatar is incapable of hosting this but is capable of hosting the World Cup?

 

[Admiral Byng]

Oh God no, not this s**t again!

 

[BobbyMorri]

So Qatar is incapable of hosting this but is capable of hosting the World Cup?

they dont want to shift the confed cup to the Northern winter to further piss off the European clubs.

FIFA just found out it is hot in Qatar in July and that air con stadiums was a pipedream. top quality sporting organisation FIFA is, top research.

 

[The_Wookie]

Not going to happen. It will go to Japan. they will give up some club world cups for this, are in AFC, and got more votes than us. pipe dream.

if it did, the AFL/NRL doesn't own the MCG, Adelaide oval, New Perth stadium, Olympic Park, Suncorp, Gold Coast, Canberra or Newcastle stadiums. FFA only need 6 stadiums. FFA might do a Asia Cup and cut out SA and WA from the tournament for "distance" reasons, or might hold 2 stadiums in Sydney. who the hell knows.

AFL/NRL may have contracts but we dont know what it says and the major underwriter on these stadiums would be government. if government want it, they will get it. I cant see there being wont be direct compo as the codes have more to gain than lose in the long term if it did go ahead. for example

the word new perth stadium has been said for so long, it is no longer new. think the AFL would be more than happy with that finally being built, coupled with upgrades to training facilities for nations to use for the tournament. which would of course go back to the community and certain sporting clubs.

They may not own it, but using these stadiums puts them out of commission for a month in June and July. This isnt a couple of matches that the AFL can just schedule around - the rules require them to be vacant of sport for at least a month.

The AFL might bend on the MCG - it might not, or it should use it to get concessions since this is happening more and more these days - they wont get Docklands in that case, but they shouldnt need it. Burswood and Adelaide oval could be a touch finicky - or the WA and SA teams will end up with a month of games on the road heading into finals.

 

[bigleague]

Good luck with that, the NRL aren't going to postpone origin matches.

 

[Jezzitizle]

Subiaco oval will be available

I like soccer but the confed cup is a nothing tornament. Dont want sandi pav and mcpharlins last season being interrupted for something like this.

 

[Cmarsh]

Subiaco oval will be available

I like soccer but the confed cup is a nothing tornament. Dont want sandi pav and mcpharlins last season being interrupted for something like this.

Agreed. It seems like a tournament for the sake of having a tournament. It's like they've said we've got these divisions called confederations, let's play them all together. Rather pointless when you have a world cup. The AFL shouldn't just lay aside for this.

 

[screech]

They may not own it, but using these stadiums puts them out of commission for a month in June and July. This isnt a couple of matches that the AFL can just schedule around - the rules require them to be vacant of sport for at least a month.

The AFL might bend on the MCG - it might not, or it should use it to get concessions since this is happening more and more these days - they wont get Docklands in that case, but they shouldnt need it. Burswood and Adelaide oval could be a touch finicky - or the WA and SA teams will end up with a month of games on the road heading into finals.

Adelaide Oval would not be a problem, the Stadium Management Authority would likely sign up to it just to show who's boss to the two clubs. The clubs & SANFL sold out for a shiny new half built oval.

 

[BobbyMorri]

They may not own it, but using these stadiums puts them out of commission for a month in June and July. This isnt a couple of matches that the AFL can just schedule around - the rules require them to be vacant of sport for at least a month.

The AFL might bend on the MCG - it might not, or it should use it to get concessions since this is happening more and more these days - they wont get Docklands in that case, but they shouldnt need it. Burswood and Adelaide oval could be a touch finicky - or the WA and SA teams will end up with a month of games on the road heading into finals.

compromise would be the aim of the game. "oh look Adelaide, Japan want to base themselves in your city, look we will resurface <insert ground> and upgrade the changes rooms for <insert club> so Japan can use it just for this tournament. think of the tourist dollars. <insert club> can use it afterward and before."

I dont think docklands wouldnt be used and i think only Olympic would be used in Sydney to help NRL/AFL. would be a huge problem with SA/WA clubs for the AFL season but if the government is building a 1 billion stadium, then they will have final say on matters. (which btw, i didnt know they have finally said a date for that damm Perth stadium)

this is the problem when u dont own the facilities. contracts are only as good as the ink on the paper. ultimate final say is in someone else's lap. FFA had the same problem during the Asian Cup with suncorp being a disgraceful pitch. or its A league grand final. regardless of whose fault that was, if the FFA owned docklands that would never happen. its great not having put the initial investment into said stadium, but you never have full control in the end.

but like i said, it wont happen.

 

[telsor]

compromise would be the aim of the game. "oh look Adelaide, Japan want to base themselves in your city, look we will resurface <insert ground> and upgrade the changes rooms for <insert club> so Japan can use it just for this tournament. think of the tourist dollars. <insert club> can use it afterward and before."

You're talking about kicking AFL & NRL off their biggest grounds for a month.

1/5 of the season, with any games in WA, SA & Vic being at 2nd rate grounds.

Given AFL, NRL & Clubs bring in well over a billion a year (probably nearer 2), you're talking upwards of $200Million in compensation. A few refits of change rooms and resurfacing a ground or two isn't going to cut it.

 

[The_Wookie]

compromise would be the aim of the game. "oh look Adelaide, Japan want to base themselves in your city, look we will resurface <insert ground> and upgrade the changes rooms for <insert club> so Japan can use it just for this tournament. think of the tourist dollars. <insert club> can use it afterward and before."

I dont think docklands wouldnt be used and i think only Olympic would be used in Sydney to help NRL/AFL. would be a huge problem with SA/WA clubs for the AFL season but if the government is building a 1 billion stadium, then they will have final say on matters. (which btw, i didnt know they have finally said a date for that damm Perth stadium)

this is the problem when u dont own the facilities. contracts are only as good as the ink on the paper. ultimate final say is in someone else's lap. FFA had the same problem during the Asian Cup with suncorp being a disgraceful pitch. or its A league grand final. regardless of whose fault that was, if the FFA owned docklands that would never happen. its great not having put the initial investment into said stadium, but you never have full control in the end.

but like i said, it wont happen.

Final say depends on the governing legislation. Even the Government cant just make a contract magically go away.

The problem in Adelaide is that the Government has almost no say over the stadium - its entitled to schedule 4 events per year - and thats enshrined in legislation. Further, a stadium that is literally 6 years old is highly unlikely to need much in the way of upgrades, and even less in Perth which will be 3 years old when this event comes around.

To convolute it further theres stadium memberships, and AFL related sponsors at the venue that have to be considered and compensated for if necessary.

Likewise the Government has some flexibility in Victoria, but whether it could kick the AFL off the MCG for a month without compensation is debateable.

In any case, you are talking about 4 weeks in the AFL where the competition averages 33,000 people per game, and simply wont be able to be accommodated anywhere else in Adelaide and Perth. In Perths case, this brings the WAFC in for compensation as owner of fremantle and West coast who would be drastically impacted. The AFL can live with Docklands if it has to.

 

[The_Wookie]

Adelaide Oval would not be a problem, the Stadium Management Authority would likely sign up to it just to show who's boss to the two clubs. The clubs & SANFL sold out for a shiny new half built oval.

The SANFL make up half the board of the SMA. its unlikely to have sold out itself

 

[telsor]

Final say depends on the governing legislation. Even the Government cant just make a contract magically go away.

Well......

You might want to check out the Vic government's efforts with the east-west link.

Went into the election saying it wasn't going to happen and they wouldn't pay compensation.

As the contract specifies compensation, they're threatening to put legislation through to override the contract.

 

[Rob]

Yeah, I doubt any code is going to help out the FFA for a tournament with as little meaning as the confederations cup. Nor would the FFA be prepared to pay out huge compo for a tournament that will bring in so few dollars itself.

 

[telsor]

Yeah, I doubt any code is going to help out the FFA for a tournament with as little meaning as the confederations cup. Nor would the FFA be prepared to pay out huge compo for a tournament that will bring in so few dollars itself.

That's probably the point. FFA doesn't really have any realistic expectation of getting it, they just want another excuse to whinge about how mean the other codes are.

 

[wally funk]

Subiaco oval will be available

I like soccer but the confed cup is a nothing tornament. Dont want sandi pav and mcpharlins last season being interrupted for something like this.

The tournament's in 2021. Sandi, Pav and MacPharlin ought to be well into retirement by then

 

[ioppolo]

You'd think we'd get to a reasonable agreement by 2021.

 

[le dominateur]

I like the EPL, that is about it for soccer. A second rate meaningless tournament that is supposed to test the facilities and preparedness of the upcoming WC is going to be held in a different country?? Good luck trying to shift Origin. FFA with their massive chip on their shoulder and corrupt FIFA can GAGF.

 

[BobbyMorri]

You're talking about kicking AFL & NRL off their biggest grounds for a month.

1/5 of the season, with any games in WA, SA & Vic being at 2nd rate grounds.

Given AFL, NRL & Clubs bring in well over a billion a year (probably nearer 2), you're talking upwards of $200Million in compensation. A few refits of change rooms and resurfacing a ground or two isn't going to cut it.

Wellington Phoenix has had to shift from the cake tin for the duration of the cricket world cup. Cricket does get played at the Westpac stadium in summer, but a whole month, never. surely they had a contract, surely they could have said no. well, no, they dont own the stadium and i have no idea what the contract they would have.

In the end, they got a temporary 9,000 stadium for the duration of the event in a nearby city. they moved and didnt kick up a fuss. now Wellington Phoenix average about 8-11K, so it wasnt the worst event in the world but still, it was a massive inconvenience for sponsors, fans and the club itself. but it is what one does for a big international event though.

Final say depends on the governing legislation. Even the Government cant just make a contract magically go away.

The problem in Adelaide is that the Government has almost no say over the stadium - its entitled to schedule 4 events per year - and thats enshrined in legislation. Further, a stadium that is literally 6 years old is highly unlikely to need much in the way of upgrades, and even less in Perth which will be 3 years old when this event comes around.

To convolute it further theres stadium memberships, and AFL related sponsors at the venue that have to be considered and compensated for if necessary.

Likewise the Government has some flexibility in Victoria, but whether it could kick the AFL off the MCG for a month without compensation is debateable.

In any case, you are talking about 4 weeks in the AFL where the competition averages 33,000 people per game, and simply wont be able to be accommodated anywhere else in Adelaide and Perth. In Perths case, this brings the WAFC in for compensation as owner of fremantle and West coast who would be drastically impacted. The AFL can live with Docklands if it has to.

did a mention Adelaide oval or Perth Oval for upgrades. doesnt even have to be AFL clubs. there is more to Aussie Rules than the top level. any kind of money spent on facilitates would be a good thing.

Government arent going to care about how it interrupts the season or the smaller things like that that only AFL fans will care about. they will rightly question why the crows cant play 2-3 away games or if <insert stadium> can host one game. AFL is the only league i can think of which is so picky with away games and travel. just a poor excuse when your club loses i feel, but that is a different topic.

In the end, contract and no, the AFL will have to move, and the government will assist in that. Government wants, government gets. i say have to, because fighting government just gives the code a bloody nose in the long term which isnt worth the headache for the small term.

if u arent happy about the interruption, suck it up or rebuild football park. government builds these stadiums not just for one code. it builds it for the city. FFA wont be happy when the Rugby world cup comes calling during October one year in the decent future. they will put up with it. Even the mighty EPL will give up host stadiums for the Rugby Union world cup this year. Villa Park, Elland Road, City of Manchester Stadium and St James Park all will be used(plus others). Some of these are owned by the club themselves. the only comp being paid which i saw was 13 mil pound for the UK rugby clubs themselves for having to shut down their competition. same thing for the Olympics and stadiums used for the football tournament. they will work around it.

confed cup might be smaller, but it still big. 10 million Spaniards watched at midnight the final against Brazil last tournament. at least 120 million for the final through out the world. not many sporting events get that.