I've heard/read other things about Jake Doran in a similar vein. Sounds kind of nutso to even think such things about a kid who hasn't played Shield cricket.
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But let's just indulge the Ponting comparison. Ponting was earmarked at a very young age as a future Australian player. There was talk of him being picked for Tasmania at 15 or 16 just to fast-track his development. Ponting was nailed on very early.
But even with that precocious talent, Ponting had to find his feet. Go back to the 2001 Ashes series – Ponting was 26 years old with 45 Tests under his belt, more than five years into his Test career. At that point, he had only managed 2552 runs at a click over 40. That's pretty modest.
It's worth remembering that when rushing to anoint the next big thing. If people want to bracket Doran with Ponting, the reality is that Australia's most prolific run-scorer took more than five years to hit his stride at Test level.
And he was dropped a few times...
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The thing that could work in Doran's favor in terms of making the test team sooner rather than later is that there is a dearth of good young batsmen.
Vastly different prospect to when Ponting was establishing himself in the midst of other players like Law, Lehmann, Love etc who were a little older and not established in the test team.
If Doran has a very good year or two in the Shield, I could see him being in the team quickly.
Vastly different prospect to when Ponting was establishing himself in the midst of other players like Law, Lehmann, Love etc who were a little older and not established in the test team.
If Doran has a very good year or two in the Shield, I could see him being in the team quickly.
I very much doubt that the selectors say 'this kid may be good in three years" so lets just pick Doolan and not bother with trying to pick our best XI (Doolan may be in this best XI)
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I think in reality you just pick the best team for each test/tour. I don't think you really look 3 years ahead.
Guys are always being ordained the next Ponting/Don whatever. It doesn't mean much til they actually play FC cricket.
Guys are always being ordained the next Ponting/Don whatever. It doesn't mean much til they actually play FC cricket.
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Sometimes you just know. I had the similar feel with Ponting as a junior.
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Ponting was playing 1st grade senior cricket from about 4 years old. Is this Doran kid similar?
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Very similar scored a truckload of runs at all levels. Was talk he would make his Shield debut last year but NSW had a strong side (that won). Plenty of whispers that Doran will be playing this year. He is an elegant bat with all the shits but what I like is the fact he doesn't over hit the ball and thus less poor shots. Has a massive appetite for runs- he absolutely hates getting a hundred and then getting out. Nice kid too as he is humble.
Yeah that seems outrageous to say Doolan has been put there as a stop gap for someone who hasn't even made his FC debut. Lets move on shall we.
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Yeah – and it took Ponting until he was 26 to bat at No.3.
Do you understand that drawing this parallel between Ponting and Doran – aside from being absurdly premature – doesn't actually support your argument that Doran will come straight in and hold down first drop?
That sounds unpleasant.
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Let's wait until he's played a FC game before pencilling him in?
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Sometimes you just know. Don't you ever just feel something?
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No one's brought up Quiney over Hughes yet?
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Why'd you quote my post to say that?
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Sounds like you're already fitting him up.
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Wanna read what I wrote?
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No, but I forced myself as a form of affirmative action.
To paraphrase, you said there aren't many good young prospects so Doran could play Test cricket quickly if he does OK at FC level. That's your view?
Like I said, let's wait until he's actually played a FC match before debating his prospects of playing Test cricket.
Practically anyone could play test cricket if they have a good Shield season.
Apart from Rob Quiney.
Doesn't take much these days.
Apart from Rob Quiney.
Doesn't take much these days.
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Read my sentence that you quoted, and then read what you're trying to argue with me about. I argued "if he has a good year or two in the Shield, he could play tests quickly because there aren't many quality young bats around". You say "let's wait til he's played some FC games".
Well, yeh. No s**t. I'd have imagined you could understand having a "good year or two in the Shield" (as I said) necessitates playing some FC games. Dunnit?
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I paraphrased it.
Correct.
Why are you skipping ahead to discuss the Test prospects of a 17-year-old who hasn't played a FC match?
It's ridiculous. Seriously, what's wrong with you?
Just park the speculation until he does at least one thing.
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I've just read a CA article in which they referred to Doran as a NSW Blues star... they may be ready to pull a Warner on us with him, I can't make head nor tail of that sort of PR otherwise.
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